Sick of blaming homosexuals for the scandals

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Really? Adult men inviting adolescent boys for sleepovers doesn’t ring alarm bells?

Dottie Sandusky was, at best, an abject moron. At worst, she was aware or deeply suspicious of her husband’s abuses and child rapes.
 
Part of what problem? Based off the context, you seem to be implying that Fr. Martin is somehow partly responsible for the abuse of children by members of the clergy or for anti-LGBT statements by some members of the Church.

If you’re suggesting the former, that is a grotesque accusation and beyond out of line. If you mean the later, it seems absurd to suggest that a person standing up for the dignity of others should somehow be responsible for the backlash.

Either way, it’s hard to read your post as anything but slander against a member of the clergy in good standing with whom you happen to disagree. If I somehow misunderstood what you are trying to say, my apologies. If not, shame on you.
 
Setting aside that your claims remain vague and unsubstantiated, what specifically has Fr. Martin said to justify the innuendo that he somehow bears responsibility for issues under discussion in this thread?

Further, calling someone out for making a grotesque statement isn’t “virtue shaming.”
 
I never said he is responsible for the abuse issues,however his agenda re normalizing ssa within the Church isn’t helping the situation any,it only serves to reinforce this disordered thinking and resultant actions.
I also didn’t say anything disgusting not sure where you come up with that accusation.
 
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You said he’s “part of the problem” and that his actions “reinforce … resultant actions”

So you’re saying he’s not responsible but you’re also saying his actions helped cause the problem? Isn’t saying that someone acted with with knowledge in a particular direction that lead to, at least in your mind, a negative result suggesting responsibility? If you’re not saying he’s responsible, then why say he’s “part of the problem”?

By all means, parse words after the fact to disown your own claims if it helps you sleep at night, but please stop slandering members of the clergy.
 
Oh for crying out loud.There have been numerous archbishops speak out boldly agsinst this scourge on our Church.Stati g we have to quit beating around the bush re homosexuality within the priesthood.At the same time Fr.Martin is stating there shouldn’t be any constraints re ssa and not being chaste. You don’t see a problem with that,really?
 
Jeanne_S said:
At the same time Fr.Martin is stating there shouldn’t be any constraints re ssa and not being chaste. You don’t see a problem with that,really?
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Personally, I wouldn’t want to see an openly homosexual man serving as a priest- the idea sort of gives me the creeps. But I’m just one person, and I could probably get over it
 
Augustinian said:
Personally, I wouldn’t want to see an openly homosexual man serving as a priest
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I honestly don’t see an openly gay priest any different than an openly straight priest. I wish people would focus more on who they are than what sexuality they are. Not to mention that catholics who have negative attitudes towards the LGBT community are making it more likely for people who identify as LGBT to leave the church.
 
So are you now saying he does have some responsibility?

That you would tacitly equate LGBT persons with child predators or with a propensity for predation is both ridiculous and not supported by evidence. That you would fear monger on this front on a Catholic forumis horrifying.

As to your claims about Fr. Martin’s statements about celibacy… Fr. Martin says no such thing. My guess is you are referring to the oft-misrepresented 2017 interview in which he spoke about received teachings and authority. The problem is you are missing the fact that he clearly said the issues he outlines needed to be dealt with by theologians and bishops. In his words, “that reflection, you know, what do we do with a teaching that has seemingly not been received by the community to which it was directed – is a theological question that bishops and LGBT people need to think about.” if you, are speaking about other statements Fr. Martin has made, please cite them.

In other words, the problem I see is with your statements.
 
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If you’re not saying he’s responsible, then why say he’s “part of the problem”?
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One has to understand that there is a very organized lobby within the LGBT movement that is targeting the Catholic Church and Christianity in general, to evangelize the people in the pews with the “LGBT gospel” in order to divide the Church and turn the laity against the teachings of the Church. Obviously the rainbow agenda is anti-God, so one has to realize that behind it all is Satan the father of lies and half-truths. So one has to be astute and wise, and not be hoodwinked by the phony arguments and false compassion…

Thus one has to understand that there were, are and always will be wolves among the sheep, false teachers and people that have no business being priests. The problem with false teachers inside the Church is that they are sneaky, and say what they want to say in a thousand ways without saying it so they cannot be trapped in their lies… As for Fr. James Martin, here is a video published by Joseph Scambria, an ex-Gay man who has been exposing James Martin’s real agenda using James Martin’s own words:

 
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Younare all over the map with this.Cant even follow you.Reread my posts maybe you will have an epiphany.If not ,not my job to reiterate my position over and over
 
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Not to mention that catholics who have negative attitudes towards the LGBT community are making it more likely for people who identify as LGBT to leave the church.
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Do you really think the Church is unwelcoming to homosexuals?

That statement seems inconsistent with what others have said about homosexuals in high places in seminaries and in the hierarchy.
 
So where specifically are you getting lost? I’m happy to walk you through things step-by-step if you’re honestly interested in understanding.
 
I was referring to individual people having negative attitudes towards LGBT people, not the church as a whole.
 
adamvandyck said:
I was referring to individual people having negative attitudes towards LGBT people, not the church as a whole.
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I don’t the church can really do a whole lot about that, especially in the current climate. People see all of the reports, so many of them in regards to homosexual contact with children, and they think of their role as parents to protect the young’uns.

A lot of parents will teach their children at home, rather than let them be taught by a gay RE teacher. Sure, most LGBT people aren’t paedophiles, but why take a chance?
 
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