Sick of blaming homosexuals for the scandals

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Augustinian said:
Sure, most LGBT people aren’t paedophiles, but why take a chance?
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What is your standard here? Why wouldn’t your reasoning apply to:

“Sure, most men aren’t rapists, but why take the chance?” (when considering whether to send your child to a school with a male teacher)

“Sure, most black kids aren’t killers, but why take the chance?” (when considering whether to allow your son’s black friend into your house).

Even if we allow that various populations are more commonly connected to certain behaviors, that is a FAR CRY from giving us reason to discriminate against them…
 
I was just about to say that, you can’t punish (or discriminate, or whatever) an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.
 
it is easy to blame homosexuals for this problem, and it isn’t right to do so, one cant lump a people into a category as being a " problem " or " guilty " if that was the case then one would have to be of the mind set of labeling all Jewish people guilty for murdering Jesus, which everyone knows isn’t true and the Church even has made a statement in regards to, expressing just that.

The problem is the Roman Catholic Church is legally a Monarchal State, and is a primary reason why the Vatican / Rome is not admitted into the EU / And with a Monarchal society, comes the problem of a lack of transparency, and accountability, let alone needing to be held accountable by the people they are supposed to serve. It is a self governed higher archy that only answers to society when caught doing something wrong.

More people are smart enough to realize homosexuals are not the issue, criminals, and the lack of accountability and honesty from Clergy is the actual problem. Crimes are commited by all kinds of people in all kinds of society, from militaries, to universities, to the olympics, etc. and in each instance it is the lack of leadership , holding accountable and being transparent with the people they serve of the problems that are being faced, and being too eager to save their own skin from embarresment than to stomp on the throats of those who commit the crimes in the first place.

We as layity are left only with God truly being able to hold these dispacble people accountable and to continue to shine a light on the infestation that has rotted the Church. It is up to the rest of us to keep the pressure on the heirarchy and keep vocal so that the truth is out there and that real change will be made , instead of just heart felt apologizes being issued.
 
HolySpirit1 said:
it is easy to blame homosexuals for this problem, and it isn’t right to do so, one cant lump a people into a category as being a " problem " or " guilty "
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The problem are not the people who are struggling to be chaste, but rather the people who are actively homosexual in the Church, especially the clergy. Understand that when one is in mortal sin, one puts themselves in the territory of Satan, ceasing to be a child of God and becoming a child of the devil. Thus actively gay priests are especially prone to demonic inspirations and machinations, being that they were given special graces for living holy and shepherding the flock; thus when they give themselves to depravities such as homosexual acts, they are in the devil’s hands; devil wants to tumble priests and put their heads on a stake as they used to do in ancient battles when a fallen leader was captured and killed by the enemy. This is a spiritual war, and the devil and the hordes of wicked spirits prowl around the world seeking those they can ruin and drag into the abyss…
 
ABSOLUTELY AGREE with a caveat:men with SSA do not belong in the priesthood.

The article you shared is an embarrassment to the Editor and to the Church!

To Jesus through Mary,
 
I’m a reasonably intelligent adult and yet don’t see why a homosexual (active or not) is more likely to be a child molester than a straight person is.

But I also see why the priesthood would be a very attractive vocation for a gay man. What better place to hide your preferences and and control your urges than in a chaste, celibate segregated lifestyle?
 
on_the_hill said:
I’m a reasonably intelligent adult and yet don’t see why a homosexual (active or not) is more likely to be a child molester than a straight person is.
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Understand that the vast majority of cases of clerical sex abuse is of teenage boys and young men, not prepubescent children. It’s a homosexual abuse problem.
 
jesucated said:
That you would tacitly equate LGBT persons with child predators or with a propensity for predation is both ridiculous and not supported by evidence. That you would fear monger on this front on a Catholic forumis horrifying.
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If you are going to accuse someone of fear mongering, you should be able to do it without re-writing what they say into something they did not say. The John Jay report say 81% of victims of abuse last century were male, as opposed to the general population where 82% of juvenile victims are female. Ignoring the facts for any reason will only put one in the position of others who perpetuate this culture.

Yet this in no way equates homosexuals with child predators. It only gives a solution to eliminate 80% of the problem with one rule, leaving the rest to be dealt with by a more open atmosphere for reporting.
on_the_hill said:
I’m a reasonably intelligent adult and yet don’t see why a homosexual (active or not) is more likely to be a child molester than a straight person is.

But I also see why the priesthood would be a very attractive vocation for a gay man. What better place to hide your preferences and and control your urges than in a chaste, celibate segregated lifestyle?
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I can see how there might be a reason they are more prone to other sexual behavior, but that is just speculation. I think your second part might have more to do with the problem than my theories. The causality might be the attractiveness of the priesthood to those that are actively seeking victims. If this is the case, then the best thing is good screening, and screening that evolves as those predators seek to slip past.
 
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Prodigal_Son said:
What is your standard here? Why wouldn’t your reasoning apply to:

“Sure, most men aren’t rapists, but why take the chance?” (when considering whether to send your child to a school with a male teacher)
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I base my ideas on the current report that was just released by the attorney general, and most of it had to deal homosexuality.

Further, I remember when I was a teenager. In the early 70’s, when I was a school kid, it just wasn’t me but a lot of kids hitchhiked if we didn’t have a car, and I remember guys picking me up- a lot of times older men, trying to recruit me into homosexuality. I didn’t get into it at all, but I imagine some kids did, but it just isn’t healthy physically or spiritually. I don’t hate people that are involved, but I think its something we need to protect children from.
 
What better place for a man to control his homosexual urges than a place which is full of … men?

I once thought this would be a good idea, and who knows, maybe that’s how so many homosexuals ended up in the priesthood decades ago. But actually, as we can see, the priesthood can be a terribly tempting situation for a priest who is looking for a place in which to control his urges.

Hence these statements against allowing men with deep-seated homosexual tendencies into the priesthood.
 
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I’m with OP on this one. Gay folk are no more likely to be paedophiles than anyone else. What’s likely is that those who want to groom and abuse children often seek out professions or situations where it’s easier to do so, like teaching, residential care work, sports coaching and yes, religious orders.

In times past, no-one would have questioned the moral integrity of a priest, a vicar, a teacher etc. Luckily, times have changed and we know that a particular uniform and/or job title don’t mean someone is automatically a paragon of virtue.
 
every diocese in your country needs a mental health expert to help parishioners feeling the pain and how to cope with it.

every single diocese.
 
Gay men are normally attracted to other adult men. Heterosexual men are normally attracted to adult women. Paedophiles of both genders are attracted to children, sometimes boys, sometimes girls.

I’m a married woman so I have no personal axe to grind in this debate, but I feel that linking male homosexuality with possible paedophilia is very misguided at best.
 
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Isca said:
I feel that linking male homosexuality with possible paedophilia is very misguided at best.
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The report of the PA grand jury shows a predominance of gay sex in the crimes reported.

People see this, and they aren’t going to be inclined to want to chance it.
 
Clovis1 said:
Sexual attraction to post pubescent teens is not pedophilia.
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I think that is pretty common. When I was a teenaged boy, there were different adult men (strangers to me) who tried to recruit me into the gay lifestyle.
 
Isca said:
Gay men are normally attracted to other adult men. Heterosexual men are normally attracted to adult women. Paedophiles of both genders are attracted to children, sometimes boys, sometimes girls.
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As others have noted, your description here overlooks the massive range of ages we call “child”. A 15-year-old is physically far more like an adult than like an 8-year-old.

Straight men who abuse 15-year-olds girls are not pedophiles, nor are gay men who abuse 15-year-old boys pedophiles. They are men behaving badly. We need to protect these older children. One of the ways we do so is by providing psychological help to the people who might otherwise abuse them, before any such abuse occurs. No one in this conversation seems to be saying that.

When I say that most of these abusers are gay men, I’m not trying to slam gay men (I’m bisexual myself). I’m just trying to point out that the Church has given no essentially guidance to these men, except “don’t sin” (advice which it undermined by allowing many seminaries to be dens of sexual perversion). That’s not enough. When Mother Church does not disciple her children – including her children who have disordered inclinations – the Church as a whole suffers.
 
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Augustinian said:
I base my ideas on the current report that was just released by the attorney general, and most of it had to deal homosexuality.
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Yeah, and nearly all rape in the entire world is committed by men. This is my point. Why not refuse to admit all men to the priesthood, because they’re rapists?
 
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