Sick of blaming homosexuals for the scandals

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Augustinian said:
I think that is pretty common. When I was a teenaged boy, there were different adult men (strangers to me) who tried to recruit me into the gay lifestyle.
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People don’t become gay because they were recruited by other gay men. Your statement reminds me of what Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority used to say in some of their mailers back in the 80s: “Remember, since homosexuals cannot have children of their own, the only way for them to expand their ranks is to recruit your children and mine.”

The old stereotype of homosexual recruitment was a scare tactic used to frighten parents at the thought that their sons might be recruited into becoming gay.
 
Thorolfr said:
Somehow it seems to me that keeping secrets is part of the problem that engulfed the Catholic Church. In most cases, I think it’s better if most people are more transparent and authentic about who they are. The notion that SSA should be concealed implies that it’s something that someone should be ashamed of.
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I agree, Thorolfr. Where many are putting the blame on “the other” - and in many cases here the ‘others’ are gay clergy - perhaps it might be more constructive to examine the structure/system of the church itself being the cause of so many problems. The whole log in the eye admonition from the Gospel would apply here.

There is, as you stated, the problem with secrecy in all levels of power. There is definitely a problem with how the church handles the sexual nature of us as human beings, and thus a whole lot of repressive acting out, inappropriately and criminally. There is a problem with the patriarchal power structure of leadership which many are also addressing.

You can’t solve this crisis with bandaids. And you can’t solve it by closing the barn door after the fact. No more gay clergy (really? head in sand, folks) won’t solve a thing. The church really has to get to the root of the problems and deal with them there.
 
Jeanne_S said:
You don’t see a problem with that,really?
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No Jeanne. These people defending homosexuality and Martin, don’t want to see any problem. It is their agenda. One doesn’t pour gasoline on the furniture, then light a match, and say the resultant catastrophe is Exxon’s fault. Putting men with deep seated homosexual tendencies in situations with young boys is not a wise idea. And yes, there probably are many homosexual men who have wonderful control over themselves. It is just that “one bad apple spoils the ……….”
 
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Thorolfr said:
The notion that SSA should be concealed implies that it’s something that someone should be ashamed of.
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Priests are supposed to be celibate and there isn’t really a point in talking about their sexuality at least in public.
 
So are you going to (ask the moderators to) close the thread?
 
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Those are probably the people who go against Church teaching and are causing problems in the Church.
 
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Unfortunately…
There was a priest in Brazil that was quite open about it, he never said, but everyone knew from his acts. He only brought shame and disgrace to the Church, and probably misguided some people on the process.
 
Thorolfr said:
The notion that SSA should be concealed implies that it’s something that someone should be ashamed of.
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Please forgive me in advance… my post is going to be very blunt. It is not my intention to upset anyone, but I’m trying to make a strong point.

@Thorolfr

Why? Should heterosexual men go around publicly and introducing themselves as a masturbator, fornicator, sodomite, or adulterer? Or that they are currently chaste but have a desire to masturbate, fornicate, sodomize, or they have a desire for a married women?

Homosexual acts are a form of sodomy and are sexual sins, just like masturbation, fornication, adultery, etc.

Why do people who have same sex attraction feel the urge to tell everyone, when people who feel the temptation to masturbate do not go around telling everyone.

Being a “homosexual” is no more a person’s identity than being a fornicator is a straight man’s identity. Our identity is not defined by our sexual sins and sexual desires.

Our identity comes from being a child of God.

God Bless
 
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phil19034 said:
Our identity comes from being a child of God.
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Good post. Nonetheless, men with deep seated homosexual tendencies should not be around young boys. That is what much of this current problem is all about.
 
Thorolfr said:
People don’t become gay because they were recruited by other gay men.
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That apparently was not a generally known fact in the 1970’s, as homosexuals did try to recruit me.

But it is a fact that the number of gay men has risen exponentially since my own youth. Do you have a theory as to why that is?
 
Augustinian said:
But it is a fact that the number of gay men has risen exponentially since my own youth. Do you have a theory as to why that is?
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He is going to say that they were hiding it and didn’t tell anyone.
 
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SeriousQuestion said:
He is going to say that they were hidding it and didn’t tell anyone.
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I lived back in the day, and they were quite open about their preferences.

I will tell you this, it was crazy the chances that we took back in the day with hitchhiking, but I was always ready to get out of dodge if it got sort of sketchy.
 
What’s okay for the Anglican Church might not be allowed in the Catholic Church.
 
What I mean is that your views as an Anglican might be in conflict with the Catholic Church. So maybe the priest is doing things okay from that perspective, but not from the Church’s perspective. Things like the scandals kind of show that not all priests do what the Catholic Church teaches.
 
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