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jimmy
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The church also says that it is good to fast on all fridays of the year, but that is not required. It is not disobedience to not fast on a friday in October.
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My understanding of the liturgical law in this case is as follows: the sign of peace is mandatory. Inviting the people to share the sign of peace with each other is optional. By that I mean that the priest may, for good reason, choose not to have the people share the sign of peace with each other. One reason I heard in San Francisco was that, in this particular church on weekdays, the people were spread out so far in the nave that it wasn’t practical (big church, small crowd). Another reason might be to avoid a free-for-all as people greet everyone in the church.
The sign of peace should be exchanged in a dignified manner with the few people directly around you. This can be simply a verbal “Peace be with you” or a handshake. Even a kiss of peace (quite common in my Arab parish) is acceptable. For those who are uncomfortable with shaking hands (or kissinng) the verbal offer of peace is always sufficient.
BTW, the Mass is both horizontal and vertical. It is our offering to God of His Son, it is our thanksgiving for the death and resurrection of Jesus (this is, in fact, the theme of every Mass), and it is our communal worship. We cannot exclude the horizontal and focus on the vertical because we miss the point of being in community and we cannot focus on the horizonal becuse that misses the reason for the Mass.
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Andreas_Hofer
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I’ve got to back up Misty on this one. When the priest instructs the faithful to exchange the sign of peace he is telling them to follow something called for in the rubrics. We owe obedience to the Church’s rubrics. The option (to omit the practice) lies with the priest and not with the congregants.
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bear06
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I agree also. And the CDW has never commented to the contrary on this one 
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Mysty101
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You keep saying this, although many have shown that it is not optional.
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Fergal
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Sign of Peace
- According to IG 82 “The form for giving the sign of peace is left to the Conference of Bishops to determine”.
- The invitation to exchange the sign of peace may be omitted. According to IG 154 “the priest may add: *Let us offer one another a sign of peace”. *After the optional invitation, the instructions (to which I have added numbers) from IG 154 are:
- The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers, always remaining with the sanctuary, lest the celebration be disrupted.
- He should do likewise if, for a good reason he wishes to offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful.
- All, in accordance with the decisions of the Conference of Bishops, make a sign to one another that expresses peace, communion and charity.
- While the sign of peace is being given, the following may be said: *The peace of the Lord be with you always. *The response is: Amen.
- At least as translated, these instructions are confusing and seem to be contradictory. No 1 suggests exchanging the sign of peace is optional, No 3 that it is compulsory. No 1 requires the priest remain in the sanctuary, but No 2 allows him to exchange the sign of peace with the faithful, who would not normally be in the sanctuary.
- Conferences of Bishops may clarify this and introduce adaptions for the Order of Mass and introduction of the missal (IG 390).
- For Mass with a deacon “he may invite all to exchange the sign of peace” (IG 181).
- For a concelebrated Mass, “After a deacon, or in his absence, one of the concelebrants says the invitation Let us offer one another a sign of peace, all exchange the sign of peace with each other. The concelebrants who are nearer the presiding celebrant receive the sign of peace from him ahead of the deacon.” (IG 239).
- For Mass with only one minister, without a congregation, according to IG 266, the sign of peace may be given by the celebrant to the minister, the invitation “Let us offer each other the sign of peace” is not said.
- For Mass with a Bishop, the bishop gives the kiss of peace at least to two concelebrants and then to the first deacon (CB 99). In Caeremoniale Episcoporum. n 100, it says the concelebrants, deacons, and other ministers give the sign of peace in a similar way “simili modo”. The word for “kiss”, *“osculum”, *is not used in this paragraph. Surprisingly “kiss of peace” appears in CB 100, in the English translation Ceremonial of Bishops (Minnesota, Liturgical Press, 1989) page 42.] No mention is made of the “kiss of peace” in the IG. According to CB 101, the faithful exchange the sign of peace in the manner approved by the Conference of Bishops. It may be accompanied by “Peace be with you” with the response “And also with you” (CB 103).
- For the Stational Mass, the kiss of peace is not mentioned, except as a footnote. CB 161 suggests that while the invitation is optional, the exchanging of the sign of peace is compulsory:
- One of the deacons may give the invitation to an exchange of the sign of peace by facing the people and saying, Let us offer each other. The bishop gives the sign of peace at least to the two concelebrants nearest him, then to the first of the deacons. All exchange a sign of peace and charity that is in accord with local custom. (Footnote: See nos. 99-103 of this Ceremonial on the kiss of peace.)
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Mysty101
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Fergal said:
The Sign of Peace
This adaptation will be inserted at number 154, paragraph 2:
The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers, but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. In the dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions, (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present) the priest may offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful near the sanctuary.
[The rest of the paragraph is unaffected by this adaptation.]
- Then the priest, with hands extended, says aloud the prayer, Domine Iesu Christe, qui dixisti (Lord Jesus Christ, you said). After this prayer is concluded, extending and then joining his hands, he gives the greeting of peace while facing the people and saying, Pax Domini sit simper vobiscum (The peace of the Lord be with you always). The people answer, Et cum spiritu tuo (And also with you). Afterwards, when appropriate, the priest adds, Offerte vobis pacem (Let us offer each other the sign of peace).
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At the same time, in accord with the decisions of the Conference of Bishops, all offer one another a sign that expresses peace, communion, and charity. While the sign of peace is being given, one may say, Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum (The peace of the Lord be with you always), to which the response is Amen.
The option is up to the Priest
It is never an option for the congregation, if it is instructed by the Priest.
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misericordie
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I totally agree with you!!! Did mysty know that in the Archdiocese of St. Louis, recently Archbishop Burke (he is a great REAL Bishop) has recomended that the so called “sign of peace” be omitted during flu season??
What I do is CLOSE my eyes and KNEEL as soon as the priest says: “let us offer each other the sign of peace” :crying: . Or I take out a tissue and blow my nose.
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misericordie
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This sign of peace was NOT even in the NO masses Immediately after V.II, it only came like around 1975.
Yes, f i become a priest it will NOT!!! Be in my Masses.
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misericordie
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You seem to confuse the obedience of a lay person with a consecrated religious. PLEASE
. As a lay faithful member we owe obedience to the OFFICIAL Magisterium, and in faith and morals, and encyclicals, to the POPE! Not father chowertfghye
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misericordie
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Mysty101 said:
I am HOME!!
P.s. to all who don’t want to give the peace sign (reminds me of the 1960’s woodstock) and you DON’T have too, (OPTIONAL) my and MANY, MANY of my friends we are all in our twenties and thirties, is: WE ATTEND THE LATIN TRIDENTINE MASS: no hand shaky there. I remember when I atttended a NO mass once and during the peace sign the coir and fr. sang : “all we are saying, is give peace a chance.”
:tsktsk: :bigyikes: 
(UMMM PEACE SIGN???).
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bear06
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Here you go again! Would you like to just tell us who the fake bishops, priests, cardinals, catholics and religious orders are? You must apparently know of some since you are constantly deciding who the REAL ones are?
It’s well within Archbishop Burke or even a priest to omit the sign of peace. The quesion here is are you free to ignore him if he chooses not to omit it? Where does it say it’s optional for the laity? In fact, I think it says
which would be the priests jurisdiction. The priest says, “let us offer one another a sign of peace” and misericordie chooses to ignore. Do you also ignore the priest when he offers you peace? It would seem to follow your logic that this would also be optional since the whole sign of peace is!
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misericordie
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Gee all, I wonder what the word OPTIONAL means??? As to the 1975 peace sign: Every blue moon when I attend a NO Mass, a little before the point where fr. says Sign of peace: I grab a tissue out of my pocket and blow my nose as if I had the flue, not many want to shake my hand after this.:dancing: Well, as to your question, well the parish i DO go to when i DO ever decide to attend a NO Mass the order which runs it is very orthodox and well, out of the four young priests there, not ONE goes into the peace sign ritual: they Omit.Here you go again! Would you like to just tell us who the fake bishops, priests, cardinals, catholics and religious orders are? You must apparently know of some since you are constantly deciding who the REAL ones are?
It’s well within Archbishop Burke or even a priest to omit the sign of peace. The quesion here is are you free to ignore him if he chooses not to omit it? Where does it say it’s optional for the laity? In fact, I think it says which would be the priests jurisdiction. The priest says, “let us offer one another a sign of peace” and misericordie chooses to ignore. Do you also ignore the priest when he offers you peace? It would seem to follow your logic that this would also be optional since the whole sign of peace is!
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Hello! The word “OPTIONAL” is for the priest! He may, or may not, after having said “Peace be with you” and we respond “And also with you” - he MAY continue, “Let us offer each other a sign of peace”. That is where the option is, it is not for us. We are supposed to be obedient to the priest, and then offer each other a sign of peace. Blowing your nose is not being obedient to the priest, nor is it a sign of peace. It is a sign of rebellion!Gee all, I wonder what the word OPTIONAL means??? As to the 1975 peace sign: Every blue moon when I attend a NO Mass, a little before the point where fr. says Sign of peace: I grab a tissue out of my pocket and blow my nose as if I had the flue, not many want to shake my hand after this.:dancing: Well, as to your question, well the parish i DO go to when i DO ever decide to attend a NO Mass the order which runs it is very orthodox and well, out of the four young priests there, not ONE goes into the peace sign ritual: they Omit.
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rayne89
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Can I ask a sincere question? Why would a person not want to shake hands with the people around them. I understand it’s optional, I understand you don’t have to.
I’m just curious why would you not want to?
I’m just curious why would you not want to?
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Mysty101
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Hey—thanks for popping inI am HOME!!
P.s. to all who don’t want to give the peace sign (reminds me of the 1960’s woodstock) and you DON’T have too, (OPTIONAL) my and MANY, MANY of my friends we are all in our twenties and thirties, is: WE ATTEND THE LATIN TRIDENTINE MASS: no hand shaky there. I remember when I atttended a NO mass once and during the peace sign the coir and fr. sang : “all we are saying, is give peace a chance.”
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OK - How about at a more traditional NO Mass when the Priest says,“Let us offer each other a sign of peace” As was said, you don’t need to shake anyone’s hand or hug or kiss or anything germy like that. You don’t feel you should follow the instruction of the Priest and at least say “Peace” or just nod or smile?
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(or maybe a nice flashcard?)
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Fergal
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The Priest at Holy Mass says “Let us offer each other a sign of Peace” I think not to offer it when addressed to do so by the Priest when he chooses to include it in the Mass the unity that is expected at the Mass and in some way gives an erroneous interpretation of communion.
The prerogative is the Priests. If he includes is then we should do it.
As I said recently we have one person who chooses to act as misericordie does and I think it is erroneous. If not an erroneous action certinaly an action based on an erroneous understanding.
As asked before in a previous post why decide not to offer Peace to those around you when it is included in the Mass?? I need to be reminded!!
The prerogative is the Priests. If he includes is then we should do it.
As I said recently we have one person who chooses to act as misericordie does and I think it is erroneous. If not an erroneous action certinaly an action based on an erroneous understanding.
As asked before in a previous post why decide not to offer Peace to those around you when it is included in the Mass?? I need to be reminded!!
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bear06
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Hmmm…I have yet to go to a mass where a priest has said “The peace of the Lord be with you always”. He is offering you peace. Somehow I think you answer “Et cum spiritu tuo.” Do you refuse the priest too? This part falls under the sign of peace. So, we’re back to you choosing which part you will do and which part you will not. The ONLY optional part about it is the “optional invitation” to the public. Note the word invitation. Last time I checked, the laity doesn’t do the invitation, the priest does. Once he chooses to give the invitation, can you tell me where it says the sign of peace is optional?Gee all, I wonder what the word OPTIONAL means??? As to the 1975 peace sign: Every blue moon when I attend a NO Mass, a little before the point where fr. says Sign of peace: I grab a tissue out of my pocket and blow my nose as if I had the flue, not many want to shake my hand after this.:dancing: Well, as to your question, well the parish i DO go to when i DO ever decide to attend a NO Mass the order which runs it is very orthodox and well, out of the four young priests there, not ONE goes into the peace sign ritual: they Omit.
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misericordie
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Actually (oh yes, you love all the words uttered by this pope even wheb he talk about hockey) the POPE HIMSELF has RECENTLY!!! Recomended the WIDER use of latin, IN THE NO MASS!! No, at the point where the priest (is he infallible in your opinion too?) says: The Lord be with you, do to the Horrible english translation, while some other say: “and also with you”, I (with all the rights I have as a Confirmed catholic age 33, and WELL EDUCATED in theology/degrees) say: AND WITH YOUR SPIRIT. When there is a bluse moon and I attend a NO mass that is. In other words: I literally translate from the Latin which is: Et Cum Spiritu Tuo=And with you spirit. Now When I go to THE Mass in Latin: and fr, says “Dominus Vobiscum” I say “Et Cum Spiritu Tuo” After all, yes, the POPE allows me too.:tiphat:
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