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Mysty101
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Many of us would also like you to answer this question
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misericordie
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ALL: PLEASE CHECK THE "SACRAMENTS" forum: where in the Communion on the tongue and han forum, I CLEAR:Y stated all this: I will not go in a merry go round ;) .
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Mysty101
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You may have stated many things, but you naver gave valid documentation to refute those who state that once the priest says, “let us offer each other the sign of peace” it is no longer an option. The optional situation is solely regarding the** Priest-- If he** chooses to omit it, not if you choose to ignore his instruction.You said that you are acting correctly in ignoring a valid instruction by the Priest. This is the point that is in discussion.ALL: PLEASE CHECK THE “SACRAMENTS” forum: where in the Communion on the tongue and han forum, I CLEAR:Y stated all this: I will not go in a merry go round.
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misericordie
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The priest must also in turn OBEY the VATICAN too. Also, we don’t take a VOW of obedience that a male or woman religious take: smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_17_3.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_17_7.gif
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I think it is a harm to the unity of the faithful to abstain from offering fellow congregants a sign of peace when this is ordered during the mass. And, it is humbling to do what we don’t want to do, when it is for the good of the Church. A third advantage to participating in that part of the rite is that one can be a model to others, for how to do it properly: reverently, quietly, ‘chastely’, without razzle-dazzle. I do feel sorry for people who have arthritis, as they don’t want their hands squeezed. If I had arthritis I would probably keep my hands near my abdomen and give a little bow or polite nod together with my statement of peace.
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bear06
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Pater Aeternus! This has to do with the laity’s obedience to the Pope in matters of discipline.
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misericordie
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Well, there is not much “unity” already in many shaky the hand parishes. Also adoration to GOD is above adoration and carrying conversations with the person next to you in the pew. To boot smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/990.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/352v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_200v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_204.gif the “peace” sign comes before the Agnus Dei. Very distracting.
However, I now decided to follow “Motu Propio Ecclesia Dei” and with these rights the POPE gave us, I can now attend the Latin Tridentine Mass= NO smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_200v.gif THERE.
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Mysty101
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Why do you say that it is optional?
Some people consider it a distraction, or do not want to pass germs, especially during the flu season.
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I do like shaking hands and wishing people around me the peace of Christ. It is a wonderful thing to wish for everybody in church.
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Mysty101
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According to that logic we just “do our own thing” through the entire Mass—instructions for the congregation are optional. %between%
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from the GIRM*
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As for the sign of peace to be given, the manner is to be established by Conferences of Bishops in accordance with the culture and customs of the peoples. *
from the USCCB
The Vatican tells you to follow your Bishop, and the Bishop tells you to exchange the sign of peace (notice this does not even offer the Priest the option). Can you please tell me exactly how you think you are “right” in refusing to offer some sign of peace when you attend the Novus Ordo Mass?
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misericordie
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Now, now, you know the Bishops don’t FORCE the priest to FORCE us laity to give the sign of peace: smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_200v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_200v.gif Let’s not make people think now that it is INFALLIBLE! Rather lets say what it is: NOT A MUST!! That way, we can all grow in truth: smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_2_137.gif. When people don’t get it: I feel like sleeping: smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_11_116.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_11_4.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_11_3.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_8_2v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_8_4v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_11_1.gif
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Hey, in our faith we are not forced to follow. We always have the freedom to disobey!
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misericordie
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http://www.traditio.com/comment/com0312h.jpg Of course, I agree with you on DISOBEDIENCE. BUT: I am talking about the Obedience of the Laity. You seem to confuse the obedience a diocesan priest owes to his Bishop, and the religious Priest owes to his Provincial Superior, and a nun to her superiors, (ALL SOLEMN VOWS) with the obedience on faith and morals and doctrine and dogma which all the catholic laity are BOUND to obey.
Don’t lead others into following a BLIND obedience.
I must admit though, I am sure the above shows a good example of DISOBEDIENCE. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_22_1v.gif Still dancing around main issues. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_17_3.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_34_6.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_11_12.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_33_3v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/13/13_3_19.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_2_63.gif
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This is just a general notation, not a rubric. And of course, this is to be interpreted in light of the GIRM, which simply says the priest MAY do it with he fells it is appropriate.
It’s optional.
Not only that, but the “Exchange of Peace” need not mean that each congregant actually exchanges peace visibly with the person next to him.
When the priest says “Pax Domini . . .” and we respond “Et cum . . .” that Peace of Christ is exchanged, and our communal participation in the event is enough to indicate being at Peace amongst ourselves.
I know of no other priest or authoritative liturgist who interprets this rubric as you do, Misty. I was a postulant with the Society of Saint John Cantius, among men who know the liturgy and its rubrics better than you know the back of your hand. We ommited the “Sign of Peace” (among laypeople) on weekdays, but included it on Sundays. This was also the practice at Magdalen College, another institution that follows the rubrics to precision.
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Mysty101
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You have taken my post out of context and misquoted me.
DominvsVobiscvm:
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Where did I say it was a rubric??
I said:
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for the priest according to the rubric, but not according to the USCCB which the rubric says establishes the norm
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Well I know plenty, starting with the USCCB. You say the instructions of the USCCB are not valid, but the customs of your society are??? What kind of logic is that?
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Mysty101
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No one is forced to follow any rubric. We can remain silent for all the communal prayers, hold any position we wish, —violate any norm.
When we are instructed to exchange the sign of peace we can choose to follow the valid instruction or not, but it is a valid instruction
When people don’t get it: I feel like sleeping:
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Mysty101
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Many people do, but it’s not as much about what we like or dislike, as about doing what we are told to do.
If we are instructed to give a sign of peace, we should do this, because we are instructed by the priest who was instructed by his bishop, who was given to authority to establish the norm by the Vatican (GIRM)
(Sorry to be so longwinded, but I think you can see why)
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misericordie
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OKAY here goes AGAIN since it seems that what I wrote on OBEDIENCE was totally ignored and unaddressed. Anyway, I repeat every word.
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