Sin in fiction and writing?

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I think there is a good ndelying message in what Shin is trying to share with us, though. As arists, we have the power to shape people’s emotions, their thoughts and feelings. Not to pull a spider-man here, but I guess you could say with great power comes great responsibility! XD
I know. However, trust me when I say that I’ve clashed with Shin on many issues. I think we pretty much a have a grasp of how the other thinks. :o

With that said, he’s one of those “avoiding the world” types. I mean reading these quotes, it’s more like he thinks the saints are telling us to just stick to religious material and avoid everything else like the plague. I can’t think of any secular piece of fiction (be it comics, books, shows, anime, games, or manga) that would satisfy the standards they have set here. 🤷

Unless of course you wanna talk about stuff geared to kids. :\
 
I agree. I think to close one’s self away from the world is a grave injustice to oneself. However, I do believe in filtering what you willingly expose yourself to, in a way. Like, if you know a certain thing is unsettleing to you, or causes you to sin, then of course you should avoid it!

But to avoid anything unCatholic just because it is unCatholic is going to close yourself off from the world in a very unhealthy way. You’d kinda have to live under a rock.

Like one of the questions I found said, good can be found in secular music, movies and writing. A song, for example, does not have to be implicitly Christian to still be a good song. Should you listen to satanic music? Course not. But secular music in general is not the devil.
 
A suggestion: Why don’t you try giving it all up and see what happens? Lent is the season for it, and you can never do it soon enough.

‘Get out of the filth of the horrible torrent of this world, the torrent of thorns that is whirling you into the abyss of eternal perdition. . . This torrent is the world, which resembles an impetuous torrent, full of garbage and evil odours, making a lot of noise but flowing swiftly passed, dragging the majority of men into the pit of perdition.’

St. Jean Eudes

‘Deny your desires and you will find what your heart longs for. For how do you know if any desire of yours is according to God?’

St. John of the Cross
 
…I’m afraid I just don’t understand. There is plenty of fiction that have good, wonderful morals in them. Like C.S. Lewis?

Every AAA question I can find has said that with good judgement, there is nothing wrong with secular fiction. I could be just as harmed by what I see on the evening news
 
I agree. I think to close one’s self away from the world is a grave injustice to oneself. However, I do believe in filtering what you willingly expose yourself to, in a way. Like, if you know a certain thing is unsettleing to you, or causes you to sin, then of course you should avoid it!

But to avoid anything unCatholic just because it is unCatholic is going to close yourself off from the world in a very unhealthy way. You’d kinda have to live under a rock.

Like one of the questions I found said, good can be found in secular music, movies and writing. A song, for example, does not have to be implicitly Christian to still be a good song. Should you listen to satanic music? Course not. But secular music in general is not the devil.
My point exactly. It’s why I always found extremely religious people (even Catholic ones) so alienating and rather unrealistic.

You are right though that one must at the very least limit one’s exposure to the darkness. As an anime nerd, I’ve had my fair share of seeing messed up stuff in the subculture.

However, does that mean I’m gonna hide from it? Heck no! In fact, I see it as an opportunity. I know how the culture works. I know how my fellow geeks think. I couldn’t ask for a better calling. 😛

P.S.

On a slightly less random note just for you though, who could call such a cute song like this demonic? >w<
A suggestion: Why don’t you try giving it all up and see what happens? Lent is the season for it, and you can never do it soon enough.
Sorry Shin but you really are just reinforcing my impression of you with all these saint quotes.

On the other hand, I’ve attempted to do something aligned with what you’re suggesting. Sadly, I just humiliated myself… thank God nobody knew what I was trying to give up. :rolleyes:

With that said, I suggest you stop asking people to instantaneously do something beyond their capacity. At least, not before knowing where they’re coming from. 😛
 
I have to admit, I have been dying to tell you all about a catholic writer that would scandalize most posters here. Based on the lack of substantial replies to the OP, in regard to using real life persons in the real world we live in…

I figured at least one catholic would be familliar with her.

I waited, hoping. Yet, none came.

Here she is folks, read. Learn. Grow. Open your eyes.

May I introduce you to Flannery O’Conner.

catholiceducation.org/articles/arts/al0058.html

I liked her before I liked any of you.:o
 
I have to admit, I have been dying to tell you all about a catholic writer that would scandalize most posters here. Based on the lack of substantial replies to the OP, in regard to using real life persons in the real world we live in…

I figured at least one catholic would be familliar with her.

I waited, hoping. Yet, none came.

Here she is folks, read. Learn. Grow. Open your eyes.

May I introduce you to Flannery O’Conner.

catholiceducation.org/articles/arts/al0058.html

I liked her before I liked any of you.:o
Wow…thank you very much for this link, I had never heard of her
 
However, today, I was told by a family friend (I don’t know her faith, but I’m fairly sure it isn’t Catholic) told me that to willingly acknowledge sin like this is just as bad as committing the sin itself, and that writing sin has made me sin.

I don’t understand, but I’m trying to. I was never intending to sin- my stories and the ones I love to read are not sexual nor violent bloodbaths. All along, trying to write what I saw in the world, have I been sinning?
I find that ridiculous. Has your friend ever heard of Dostevsky or Tolstoy or Graham Greene or Flannery O’Connor or Walker Percy?
 
Wow…thank you very much for this link, I had never heard of her
You are most welcome. I was really wanting to tell you about her right off, but hoped you would hear of her from a believer, since I realize my credentials as a non believer are suspect. Rightfully so.

Thank goodness, another poster followed my post with other great catholic writers that will help you get over this hump of guilt that your well-meaning friend layed upon your lap.

Don’t let her stop your creativity. One thing about Catholics I admire most, in all of the Christian branches, is their love for creativity, arts, and beauty. Yes, I am drawn in by that aspect of their faith.

It is hard to put in words. Maybe you are the one blessed with the words, to express what I can not.
 
I just found otu something amazing.

My favorite author is Dean Koontz. His stories are so imaginitive, so enchanting, so dark and thoght provocing…and he’s a Catholic! I never knew that! And to think, all along, it’s been his writings that have most inspired my own!
 
I just found otu something amazing.

My favorite author is Dean Koontz. His stories are so imaginitive, so enchanting, so dark and thoght provocing…and he’s a Catholic! I never knew that! And to think, all along, it’s been his writings that have most inspired my own!
I’m guessing, he is close to Father Andrew Greeley in tone? I have not read Dean Koontz or ever heard of him. But, I am new to the whole Catholic thing. I wonder if he is doing okay after his accident?
 
I can’t really say, not having read Fr Greeley

Koontz’s books are primarily urban fantasy thrillers. Modern day, our wold action books, with a heavy dose of morality, hard decisions and the paranormal.

And Golden Retrivers.
 
I can’t really say, not having read Fr Greeley

Koontz’s books are primarily urban fantasy thrillers. Modern day, our wold action books, with a heavy dose of morality, hard decisions and the paranormal.

And Golden Retrivers.
Oh.
 
I’m glad that you mentioned Flannery O’Connor. I was going to mention her as an example of a Catholic and a great writer.

Anne Rice has also returned to her Catholic faith. Her recent books reflect that return with novelizations of Jesus’ life. Her most recent novel, the start of a series on a different subject to Jesus may appeal to Shondrea and others: Angel Time.
From Publishers’ Weekly: Full of provocative moral reflections, this kickoff to bestseller Rice’s new Songs of the Seraphim religious romance series centers on hired assassin Toby O’Dare, a one-time aspirant to the priesthood until personal tragedy unmoored his life. Guardian angel Malchiah visits Toby, who’s just consummated his latest kill, and offers him redemption for his sins. After accepting the offer, Toby is whisked away to 13th-century England, where, in the guise of a Dominican friar, he becomes the protector of a Jewish couple accused wrongly by the gentile populace of having murdered their young daughter for her conversion to Christianity. Two eloquently told if clunkily joined digressions give the backstory on Toby and on the persecution of the Jews in medieval Europe. Readers will revel in Rice’s colorful recreation of the historical past and in her moving depiction of characters struggling to reconcile matters of the heart with their personal sense of faith. 250,000 first printing.
 
Unless of course you wanna talk about stuff geared to kids.
That is where most of the very little that is harmless can sometimes be found.
Sadly, I just humiliated myself… thank God nobody knew what I was trying to give up.
That’s good! Keep it up! God shows us by failure failure in doing what is desired how one is a slave to the passions, which the demons rule and can lead a person around by like a pig with a ring in its nose. And like pigs we often do not realize we are reveling in and eating trash.

The apple that Eve was given was beautiful to behold, of scent and taste good in all ways. She did not think what she ate would have the consequences it did.

I will pray for you to try again and give things up until you succeed!

This is far more hopeful than knocking the timeless wisdom of the saints. Who I will note were all writers, and readers, and know far more about it and God than you or I ever will. 😃

They are our examples and models, their writing is what we should read, not the writings of people who are separated from God in the world, or bad Catholics.

They have all the spiritual treasures we need with none of the trash. 🙂 All writers should learn from them and read them more than any other works for the sake of their souls.

‘Those who seek humility should bear in mind the three following things: that they are the worst of sinners, that they are the most despicable of all creatures since their state is an unnatural one, and that they are even more pitiable than the demons, since they are slaves to the demons.’

St. Gregory of Sinai

‘Let no one deceive you monk, with the notion that you can be saved while a slave to sensual pleasure and self-esteem.’

St. Maximos the Confessor

‘Just as iron, even without willing it, is drawn by a magnet, so is a slave to bad habits dragged about by them.’

St. John Climacus

‘With what hope will we meet Christ if we are still enslaved to the pleasures of the flesh? . . . If you wish to attain salvation, renounce sensual pleasure and learn self-control, love and how to pray with concentration.’

St. Thalassios the Libyan

‘The passions lying hidden in the soul provide the demons with the means of arousing impassioned thoughts in us. Then, fighting the intellect through these thoughts they force it to give assent to sin. When it has been overcome, they lead it to sin in the mind; and when this has been done they induce it, captive as it is, to commit the sin in action. Having thus desolated the soul by means of these thoughts, the demons then retreat, taking the thoughts with them, and only the spectre or idol of sin remains in the intellect. Referring to this our Lord says, ‘When you see the abominable idol of desolation standing in the holy place (let him who reads understand). . .’ (Matt. 24:15). For man’s intellect is a holy place and a temple of God in which the demons, having desolated the soul by means of impassioned thoughts, set up the idol of sin. That these things have already taken place in history no one, I think, who has read Josephus will doubt; though some say that they will also come to pass in the time of the Antichrist.’

St. Maximos the Confessor

‘What is the number of those who love Thee, O God? How few they are! The Elect are much fewer than the damned! Alas! The greater portion of mankind lives in sin unto the devil, and not unto Jesus Christ. . . . Ah, I pray Thee, O omnipotent God, O sovereign and infinite Good, make all men know and love Thee!’

St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori

The season of Lent is great for learning humility and to finally pursue the path of a true Christian of freedom from the world, the flesh, and the devil!
 
…I’m sorry, I just can’t agree.

Everything the church has taught e is that there is no sin in reading secular fiction.
 
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