Singer Ellie Goulding threatens to cancel Cowboys Thanksgiving show over 'anti-LGBTQ' Salvation Army

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Who’s Ellie Goulding? Should I know who this is?

Maybe the halftime show should feature somebody with name-recognition?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Who’s Ellie Goulding? Should I know who this is?

Maybe the halftime show should feature somebody with name-recognition?
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This and…entertainers are contractors, they have the right to provide services or not; if a previous contract committed them to providing services, then there is legal remedy for braking the contract…and, at that point its the business of the two parties involved in the contract, not mine.

Bottom line; will it prevent me from watching the game or affect my opinion of Ellie Goulding?..no (because I use half time to step away from the TV, and like the previous poster, I haven’t a clue who Ellie Goulding is).
 
I never watch half time shows or pre game or post game shows. Lousy entertainers and know it all ex jock commentators. I also have no idea who this Goulding is. Whoever it is will probably get more publicity with this virtue signalling than by any half time performance.
 
She’s very popular, at least here in the UK. I remember being exposed to her and her music repeatedly a few years ago without seeking it out (or liking it). She also did the music for a John Lewis advert or something, I recall.

So definitely not an irrelevant person.
 
. . . . If you believe in all the good Salvation Army does, but choose to punish those who can use their assistance because you are a . . . instrument . . . of the community you are appeasing. This sort of thing has happened to Chick Fila, Hobby Lobby, and other organizations as well. And I am relatively ambivalent on Salavation Army, but this seems to say you care less about the needy than you do the LGBT community.
 
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Maxirad said:
We can expect more of this kind of this stuff in the near future, right?
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Most likely, for two reasons: 1) Entertainers tend to favor the cancel culture; 2) They also tend to be uninformed. When you read about the whole incident it appears Ms. Goulding had originally agreed to the performance but then engaged in a knee-jerk response to the Twitter mob. It appears that she has no idea who the Salvation Army is, or what they do (provide charity to the poor and homeless regardless of race, gender, or sexual preference). The bottom line is that if you agree to perform an event, keep your word and do it. If you don’t agree with the event, don’t commit to it. What you don’t do (if you are an honest person) is demand that the organization you are supporting needs to change their entire mission and reason for existing to suit your uninformed whims.
 
This decision certainly suggests a lack of pragmatism in her thinking. One doesn’t have to share all of the Salvation Army’s views or beliefs to want to support the good work that they undoubtedly do.

I think one has to weigh up a range of factors. The chief ones for me would be (1) will any money raised go to support the organisation’s work alleviating poverty, homelessness, etc., or will it be diverted to religious or political campaigning?, (2) just how much do the organisation’s values offend me and how important is it to express my disapproval?, and (3) what are the alternatives? In the case of the Salvation Army, I think I’d say (1) I trust that they use donations to do what they say they do, (2) expressing disapproval of the Salvation Army is not a priority for me, and (3) there aren’t a lot of charities doing better work than this.

By contrast, I now feel I could never support Operation Christmas Child (Samaritan’s Purse). My reasoning would be (1) I don’t trust them to use my donation for the intended purpose and suspect that I would be inadvertently funding their other activities, (2) the organisation does some really bad things such supporting Vladimir Putin and encouraging a ban on Muslim immigrants to the United States, and (3) there are just so many other charities doing better work that I would rather support those instead.

A few years ago in London I was at an event where a Jewish woman was asking for donations to the Cardinal Hume Centre. I am guessing that she probably doesn’t endorse the entire teaching of the Catholic Church, but can see that it’s worth supporting a Catholic charity where the Church’s values intersect with her own. I imagine that most people digging into their pockets that night probably didn’t agree with everything the Church teaches either. To take another example, the American opera singer Michael Fabiano, who is gay and is married to a man, has performed at a fundraiser for The Passage, a London-based charitable work of the Society of St Vincent de Paul.

I’ve also seen this happen in the opposite direction. There was a town in England where an evangelical Christian organisation serving the homeless refused to accept a group of Sikhs who wanted to donate goods and volunteer their time and services. The Christian group basically took the line that if you weren’t an evangelical Christian your charity wasn’t welcome. It seemed that as far as they were concerned promoting their own brand of Christianity and excluding outsiders was more important than helping the homeless. The Sikhs were upset but also confused, because they had assumed that for the Christians their top priority would be helping people.
 
Hodos said:
When you read about the whole incident it appears Ms. Goulding had originally agreed to the performance but then engaged in a knee-jerk response to the Twitter mob.
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Why people take the ravings of a Twitter mob as gospel truth is beyond comprehension. I thought people were supposed to take greater care in avoiding fake news post-2016.
Don’t get me wrong. I was duped by fake news once and shared it here. But it came from a trusted news site. I didn’t make it up based on the opinions of anonymous Twitter users. And I corrected my post on this forum when I found out the story was incorrect.
 
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Who’s Ellie Goulding? Should I know who this is?
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I didn’t have a clue who she was either. Never even saw her on the Yahoo Entertainment news page until this story broke. Can’t say I care.

Years ago I had a Facebook “friend” depart in a massive huff over my saying I contributed to the Sallies because unlike the Red Cross they didn’t misuse the contributions. Can’t say I cared much about that either. If somebody wants to get outraged, they will.
 
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And I am relatively ambivalent on Salavation Army, but this seems to say you care less about the needy than you do the LGBT community.
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And not because the Salvation Army, Chic-fil-a, or Hobby Lobby believe in barring LGBT people from services, throwing them in prison, or throwing them off rooftops. But because they don’t support the recent fantasy that two men or two women can form a marriage, or believe it is a good idea to mutilate and poison children because they express interest in the characteristics of the opposite sex.
 
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Why people take the ravings of a Twitter mob as gospel truth is beyond comprehension. I thought people were supposed to take greater care in avoiding fake news post-2016.
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LOL. This is literally the first thing I saw on the Salvation Army website yesterday. Apparently Ellie doesn’t Google.
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dvdjs said:
The nation affirms what you call the “fantasy” of same sex marriages.
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When it was put to the vote by the people in the states, the people voted “no”.
So then it was taken above the people’s head to the SCOTUS who voted “yes”.

Now we are seeing a public opinion trajectory quite similar to the popular opinion on abortion in which before it was legalized, most people were against it, then after it became legal, most people are for it.

All this proves is that people really dont think for themselves.
 
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The nation affirms what you call the “fantasy” of same sex marriages.
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dvdjs, are you a practicing Catholic?

As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t matter if 99% of the people in the U.S. vote “Yes” for same-sex “marriage.”

What matters is what the Catholic Church, my Church by my own choice and of my own free will, has decreed.

Yes, I will treat people with same sex attraction or any kind of attraction with respect and kindness and I will demonstrate love for them when I have opportunities (e.g., treating them to a dinner out or inviting them over for a musical evening, or by giving their names to people who are looking for a musician). As a musician (part time/hobby), I have many friends who are practicing homosexuals and lesbians (by “practicing” I mean that they are dating and either seeking a marriage partner or are married). I wouldn’t dream of shunning them–actually, most gay people are among the most interesting people I know!

But if they ask, I will gently but firmly tell them what my Church teaches and let them know that I agree with my Church.

Usually, they don’t ask, because I think they know how serious I am about my Church. It says a great deal for their generosity of spirit that they still accept me as a friend.
 
Peeps said:
dvdjs, are you a practicing Catholic?
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That’s a good question. I don’t recall ever seeing a post of this member in any of the religious forums. Only in the news forum. I’m not saying there are none, for I only read a small percentage of threads. I just haven’t seen any.
 
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Zach said:
That’s a good question. I don’t recall ever seeing a post of this member in any of the religious forums. Only in the news forum. I’m not saying there are none, for I only read a small percentage of threads. I just haven’t seen any.
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I’m not asking this to criticize or belittle dvdjs. I just want to understand why he/she appears to oppose many Catholic Church teachings.

I realize that Catholics can be big government or small government–both of these are acceptable by the Church, although the Catechism makes it clear that subsidiarity is the best way for governments to work, which to me seems to be more likely to happen in a limited-government system.

I also realize that, at least in the past, it was possible and even likely that Catholics would vote Democratic rather than Republican. I personally believe that both parties are fragmented to a point where a Party Platform means very little, however…as Catholics, we cannot just ignore the FACT that the Republican Party Platform includes a pro-life statement, while the Democratic Party Platform makes it clear that legal abortion must be the law of the land. I think any Catholic who votes Democratic has to deal with this, perhaps by determining that the Republican candidate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is pro-choice, too (this happened in Illinois between the previous two candidates for governor, and so I wrote in my vote for a pro-life candidate who had come very close to winning the Republican gubernatorial primary election).

Another possibility is that even if the Republican candidate is pro-life, if he or she advocates truly evil policies, then it would be possible for a Catholic to vote for the Democratic candidate–however, what exactly IS a “truly evil policy?” I personally believe that we in the U.S. have every right and indeed, a responsibility to make sure that ANYONE who enters and/or lives in our country has permission to do so (passport, VISA, etc.)–I see nothing evil about deporting adults who are living here illegally, even if they are “good people.” I would PREFER to see legislation created that would improve the immigration process–our country is dangerously under-populated (thanks to abortion and thanks to contraception) and we need more people! But allowing everyone to just walk right in–just ask, “Am I OK with people that I don’t know from Adam just walking into my house and staying indefinitely?” NO!

Anyway, that’s why I asked about dvdjs–if he/she is NOT Catholic, it makes it easier for me to understand why so many of their posts seem to take issue with Catholic teaching and practice.

As for the topic–I believe ??? I saw an article online that the singer (whom I’ve never heard of, but then, I do not follow pop music) WILL sing, after the Salvation Army communicated with her and described in more detail what their teachings are regarding LGBTQ people and how they do not discriminate against anyone.
 
No problem. Bye-bye Ellie Goulding. That is her choice to be there or not. Can’t imagine they can’t get someone else for the slot.
 
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