Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

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nsper7 said:
I will answer you in a minute. When you say ‘Biblical’ Christian, I find that interesting. Who canonized Scripture or did it just drop in your lap from nowhere?
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The Bible claims to be God-breathed. Therefore, God gave us the Scriptures. 🙂 I don’t think the 1st century church needed the letters and gospel accounts to be canonized to be recognized are the Word of God. They were self-authenticating to those who knew God. Did the intended recipients of the NT Epistles need each letter to be canonized before they received each letter as being authorative revelation?

Here’s another question. When did you recognize that the Bible was the Word of God? Did you need to take a RCIA class to teach you that the Bible is the Word of God? Or did God the Holy Spirit reveal to you personally that the Bible is the Word of God? Please answer honestly.
 
Mark 8:34-38

He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said to them, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel will save it.What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?What could one give in exchange for his life?Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
 
Reformed said:
The Bible claims to be God-breathed. Therefore, God gave us the Scriptures. 🙂 I don’t think the 1st century church needed the letters and gospel accounts to be canonized to be recognized are the Word of God. They were self-authenticating to those who knew God. Did the intended recipients of the NT Epistles need the each letter to be canonized before they received each letter as being authorative revelation?

Here’s another question. When did you recognize that the Bible was the Word of God? Did you need to take a RCIA class to teach you that the Bible is the Word of God? Or did God the Holy Spirit reveal to you personally that the Bible is the Word of God? Please answer honestly.
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How do I know the Bible is the Word of God? I honestly do not know how I know the Bible is the Word of God, I just know it is.

Now, you speak of the ‘early Church’: why don’t you agree that the (Roman) Catholic Church is the mere continuation of that early Church of which you speak?
 
tGette said:
God…by His redeeming and sanctifying grace!
This is only so because I participate in allowing this grace in my life. Such as a sinner does not participate in it.

Which Bible did Saint Paul use to know how he must be saved?
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Are you saying that salvation is 50% God and 50% yourself? I know Paul wasn’t using the Bible that some claim that the Catholic Church gave us. Actually, the NT is full of quotes from the OT.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Keep in mind, Reformed, two things:
  1. There’s a great deal of difference between what you mean by being saved and what the Bible means by being saved.
  2. Monoergism was condemned as a heresy by the Sixth Ecumenical Council.
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Boy…nobody ever likes to answer the OP question. So, what must I do to be saved? Please feel free to qualify what the Bible means to be saved. What are we being saved from and from whom according to the Bible? 🙂
 
Reformed said:
Are you saying that salvation is 50% God and 50% yourself? I know Paul wasn’t using the Bible that some claim that the Catholic Church gave us. Actually, the NT is full of quotes from the OT.
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No…I am saying it is 100% God and 100% myself. (Or at least my desire to give Him that 100%)

I think you misunderstood my question about Saint Paul.
Since you seem to rely heavily on his letters for proof to salvation.

Which letters did he rely on? Especially before he wrote them?
 
nsper7 said:
How do I know the Bible is the Word of God? I honestly do not know how I know the Bible is the Word of God, I just know it is.

Now, you speak of the ‘early Church’: why don’t you agree that the (Roman) Catholic Church is the mere continuation of that early Church of which you speak?
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Okay…that’s my point. You just know the Bible is the Word of God. You did not need the Roman Catholic Church to tell you that the Bible is the Word of God because you already knew it. I would like to suggest that God the Holy Spirit revealed to you that the Bible is the Word of God. So, what must I do to be saved? 🙂 Let’s stay on the thread topic.
 
Reformed, let me put it to you this way: you are trying to show that somehow Roman Catholics are not Saved, correct? Be honest here.

Yet, you claim that one is Saved through belief in Christ. Well, last time I checked, Roman Catholics believe “on the Lord Jesus Christ”.
 
Reformed said:
Okay…that’s my point. You just know the Bible is the Word of God. You did not need the Roman Catholic Church to tell you that the Bible is the Word of God because you already knew it. I would like to suggest that God the Holy Spirit revealed to you that the Bible is the Word of God. So, what must I do to be saved? 🙂 Let’s stay on the thread topic.
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But remember, I have a Bible to read (several actually) and I believe it is the Word of God, but I did not put its words down on paper, nor did I compile it, nor did I canonize it. Without the work of the Holy Spirit working through the writers and compilers and canonizers of Scriptures (the Roman Catholic Church), then I would have no Bible to believe or disbelieve in.
 
tGette said:
No…I am saying it is 100% God and 100% myself. (Or at least my desire to give Him that 100%)

I think you misunderstood my question about Saint Paul.
Since you seem to rely heavily on his letters for proof to salvation.

Which letters did he rely on? Especially before he wrote them?
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The Apostles were recording the accounts of Jesus as eye-witnesses to His ministry. Before He ascended to Heaven, Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit to teach them all truth. The letters in the NT are the work of God the Holy Spirit. Consider John 17. To answer your question regarding Paul, Jesus revealed Himself to Saul on the road to Damscus and later Paul was taught by God in the desert. Paul did not rely on letters, but rather he relied on the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit also illuminated the Old Testament to Paul. Are you able to see all of the quotes on the OT used by Paul, other writers of the NT as well as Jesus? We are not like the Apostles or Paul in the sense that we receive direct revelation from God. Instead, God reavels Himself and His will to us through the Scriptures. So, what must I do to be saved? 🙂
 
Reformed said:
The Apostles were recording the accounts of Jesus as eye-witnesses to His ministry. Before He ascended to Heaven, Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit to teach them all truth. The letters in the NT are the work of God the Holy Spirit. Consider John 17. To answer your question regarding Paul, Jesus revealed Himself to Saul on the road to Damscus and later Paul was taught by God in the desert. Paul did not rely on letters, but rather he relied on the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit also illuminated the Old Testament to Paul. Are you able to see all of the quotes on the OT used by Paul, Jesus and other writers of the NT?
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Yes, I am able to see the quotes. Would you agree that St. Paul and all the other Apostles and Believers were part of the ‘early Church’? Now, didn’t Jesus give great authority to the ‘early Church’ (including power to bind and loose and the promise that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail?)

Now, on a different track: do you believe the Roman Catholic Church is the continuation of the ‘early Church’? If not, when did the Roman Catholic Church ‘split off’ from this true ‘early Church’? And, for the 1500 years Catholic Christianity reigned supreme, where was the true Church?
 
nsper7 said:
Reformed, let me put it to you this way: you are trying to show that somehow Roman Catholics are not Saved, correct? Be honest here.

Yet, you claim that one is Saved through belief in Christ. Well, last time I checked, Roman Catholics believe “on the Lord Jesus Christ”.
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That’s great. So, do you agree with your first answer in post 2?
 
tGette said:
Mark 8:34-38

He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said to them, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel will save it.What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?What could one give in exchange for his life?Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
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The command to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is a universal command to all humanity. Now try to read John chapter 6 and see if you understand Mark 8 in a different light.
 
Reformed said:
Which dogmas and doctrines? Sacred Traditon is quite large.
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So, are you admitting a lack of knowledge of Sacred Tradition?

EDIT: And you have still not answered my questions about the Roman Catholic Church and its connection (or lack thereof) to the ‘early Church’.
 
Reformed said:
The Apostles were recording the accounts of Jesus as eye-witnesses to His ministry. Before He ascended to Heaven, Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit to teach them all truth. The letters in the NT are the work of God the Holy Spirit. Consider John 17. To answer your question regarding Paul, Jesus revealed Himself to Saul on the road to Damscus and later Paul was taught by God in the desert. Paul did not rely on letters, but rather he relied on the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit also illuminated the Old Testament to Paul. Are you able to see all of the quotes on the OT used by Paul, Jesus and other writers of the NT? We are not like the Apostles or Paul in the sense that we receive direct revelation from God. Instead, God reavels Himself and His will to us through the Scriptures. So, what must I do to be saved? 🙂
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I agree to a degree about things being chronicled during the time of Christ, but how does that explain the beginning of the Gospel of Luke?

Is the New Testament the ONLY work of the Holy Spirit? Just as Paul relied on the Holy Spirit…as do I…not just the Bible.

I’m sorry…it is 3:15am and I need to get to bed.

Reformed…I like you a great deal, but I am going to accuse you of the same thing you accuse the Catholics of and that is that you are viewing everything from the lens of the theological underpinnings of Calvinism.

What must you do to be saved? NOTHING.
That’s what you want to hear, isn’t it?

So now…I am going to brush my teeth and go to bed and I do not have to do anything to make this happen. Because the grace of God will carry my tired bones to the bathroom and force my hand to the toothpaste while I am forced to looked tiredly into the mirror and then afterward I will be forced to lay in my bed. Even the grace of God makes me feel tired. God preordained all this to happen and I just have to deal with it…because God is making it happen whether I like it or not.

I just hope that God does not make me reject Him later in my life so I lose my elect status and go to Hell. Because for some reason God made me a sinner and made me need Him as a savior! YAY! I worship an egotistical, self-centered God! (Facetiousness to the very definition!)

[This is said entirely tongue-in-cheek…by the way.]

(I hope that did not sound condescending…it definitely was sarcasm…I am just tired.)
 
tGette said:
I agree to a degree about things being chronicled during the time of Christ, but how does that explain the beginning of the Gospel of Luke?

Is the New Testament the ONLY work of the Holy Spirit? Just as Paul relied on the Holy Spirit…as do I…not just the Bible.

I’m sorry…it is 3:15am and I need to get to bed.

Reformed…I like you a great deal, but I am going to accuse you of the same thing you accuse the Catholics of and that is that you are viewing everything from the lens of the theological underpinnings of Calvinism.

What must you do to be save? NOTHING.
That’s what you want to hear, isn’t it?

So now…I am going to brush my teeth and go to bed and I do not have to do anything to make this happen. Because the grace of God will carry my tired bones to the bathroom and force my hand to the toothpaste while I am forced to looked tiredly into the mirror and then afterward I will be forced to lay in my bed. Even the grace of God makes me feel tired. God preordained all this to happen and I just have to deal with it…because God is making it happen whether I like it or not.

I just hope that God does not make me reject Him later in my life so I lose my elect status and go to Hell. Because for some reason God made me a sinner and made me need Him as a savior! YAY! I worship an egotistical, self-centered God! (Facetiousness to the very definition!)

[This is said entirely tongue-in-cheek…by the way.]

(I hope that did not sound condescending…it definitely was sarcasm…I am just tired.)
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