Six German women investigated over Auschwitz crimes

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I’m curious as to who was behind the push for this investigation?

The article mentioned the SWC - did they instigate it, or did they just jump on board?
 
Darryl1958 said:
We are talking about women in their nineties now.
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There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity.
lerapt78 said:
I’m curious as to who was behind the push for this investigation?

The article mentioned the SWC - did they instigate it, or did they just jump on board?
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I wouldn’t be surprised – here’s more on the SWC’s initiative: wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=13224167#.UgkgmG3N6Mk
 
Whitey Bulger is going to prison. These women should as well.

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Right we’ll make a new law, no electrocution after 90. We don’t want any to get the impression there’s no compassion.
 
It makes little difference 1 way or the other now. As Nazis have continued to be prosecuted and punished (last execution of a Nazi happened in 1966 in former East Germany) even as last 1 dies off, perpetrators of Stalin’s Holocaust-Holodomor were not punished. Final Solution was about exterminating Jewry. Holodomor or Soviet Holocaust in early 1930s where millions were killed by being starved to death in famine (esp. Ukraine), beaten, shot and worked to death in GULag or building Soviet Railroad went unpunished. Josef Stalin was a ruthless dictator who took more lives than Hitler. Incidentally, some of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish such as Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda and Lev Mekhlis. No, they didn’t do it because of Judaism but because they were Communists.

There were no courts to punish them and they were only prisoned or executed if they became a threat to Soviet leadership. Ironically, the Nazis executed some Stalin’s henchmen during Operation Barbarossa by the Commissar Order. Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Ukrainians fought on the side of Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) against Soviet Red Army during Operation Barbarossa in Stalingrad and Leningrad Battles as tjeu wamted to be free of USSR. Yes, Nazis did bad things especially with Holocaust extermination of Jewry. Nazis sometimes killed bad people-of course if you’re killing millions in a war, you’ll sometimes kill bad people such as Stalin’s henchmen. We have continued to pursue Nazi war criminals so many years after the war, but Stalin’s henchmen have gotten away with it. With Nazi Germany’s ally Imperial Japan, other than the Tokyo, Manila and Nanking trials, we haven’t to my knowledge prosecuted Japanese soldiers who took part in Bataan Massacre, etc. Shiro Ishii who did parachuted fleabombs (similar to daisy cutters in Vietnam only that it carried plague, typhoid and anthrax viruses) was not punished for what he did and he died in 1957.
 
goldtreasure said:
It makes little difference 1 way or the other now. As Nazis have continued to be prosecuted and punished (last execution of a Nazi happened in 1966 in former East Germany) even as last 1 dies off, perpetrators of Stalin’s Holocaust-Holodomor were not punished. Final Solution was about exterminating Jewry. Holodomor or Soviet Holocaust in early 1930s where millions were killed by being starved to death in famine (esp. Ukraine), beaten, shot and worked to death in GULag or building Soviet Railroad went unpunished. Josef Stalin was a ruthless dictator who took more lives than Hitler. Incidentally, some of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish such as Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda and Lev Mekhlis. No, they didn’t do it because of Judaism but because they were Communists.

There were no courts to punish them and they were only prisoned or executed if they became a threat to Soviet leadership. Ironically, the Nazis executed some Stalin’s henchmen during Operation Barbarossa by the Commissar Order. Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians and Ukrainians fought on the side of Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) against Soviet Red Army during Operation Barbarossa in Stalingrad and Leningrad Battles as tjeu wamted to be free of USSR. Yes, Nazis did bad things especially with Holocaust extermination of Jewry. Nazis sometimes killed bad people-of course if you’re killing millions in a war, you’ll sometimes kill bad people such as Stalin’s henchmen. We have continued to pursue Nazi war criminals so many years after the war, but Stalin’s henchmen have gotten away with it. With Nazi Germany’s ally Imperial Japan, other than the Tokyo, Manila and Nanking trials, we haven’t to my knowledge prosecuted Japanese soldiers who took part in Bataan Massacre, etc. Shiro Ishii who did parachuted fleabombs (similar to daisy cutters in Vietnam only that it carried plague, typhoid and anthrax viruses) was not punished for what he did and he died in 1957.
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So…because the perpetrators of other atrocities weren’t prosecuted we shouldn’t prosecute Nazi criminals? :confused:
 
gracepoole said:
So…because the perpetrators of other atrocities weren’t prosecuted we shouldn’t prosecute Nazi criminals? :confused:
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Did not say that only that it makes little difference. It’s my view though that Germans should not keep apologizing for Holocaust and I’m not German. People should not apologize for what their grandparents did. But here’s an idea. Steven Spielberg who is a talented movie director has done movies such as Schindler’s List (didn’t see that 1), Saving Private Ryan (saw that 1) as both movies are about Nazi Germany with the 1st being about Holocaust.

But don’t expect Mr. Spielberg to do a movie on Soviet Holocaust the Holodomor, because again, some of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish. Hope you don’t mind me extending the topic, but do you think Germans should have to keep apologizing for the Holocaust ? What is your view of the fact that when people such as German politician Martin Hohmann say that many of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish, he got fired for it-it’s old news as it happened in 2003, but if a German says something critical as he did, then accusations of anti-Semitism happen.
 
goldtreasure said:
Did not say that only that it makes little difference. It’s my view though that Germans should not keep apologizing for Holocaust and I’m not German. People should not apologize for what their grandparents did. But here’s an idea. Steven Spielberg who is a talented movie director has done movies such as Schindler’s List (didn’t see that 1), Saving Private Ryan (saw that 1) as both movies are about Nazi Germany with the 1st being about Holocaust.

But don’t expect Mr. Spielberg to do a movie on Soviet Holocaust the Holodomor, because again, some of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish. Hope you don’t mind me extending the topic, but do you think Germans should have to keep apologizing for the Holocaust ? What is your view of the fact that when people such as German politician Martin Hohmann say that many of Stalin’s henchmen were Jewish, he got fired for it-it’s old news as it happened in 2003, but if a German says something critical as he did, then accusations of anti-Semitism happen.
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No one is claiming that “Germans” should keep apologizing for the Holocaust. But those who actually committed atrocities? Yes! Of course. They should be prosecuted whether they apologize or not.
 
Possibly I shouldn’t say this, but one can wonder what kind of punishment is appropriate for a 90 year old woman who probably doesn’t have a lot more freedom of movement than she would in prison anyway.

I know this is weird, but if it was up to me, I would allow them to be under fairly lax house arrest for the rest of their days, on the SOLE condition that they allowed themselves to be examined psychologically and very seriously studied; that they tell the absolute truth about their roles in the holocaust and about their lives thereafter in the most minute detail, AND that they encourage their family members to cooperate as well.

Could that information be invaluable? I think it possibly could be. Were people who were monsters once always monsters from childhood on, and for decades? Were they not terribly distinguishable from other people except for their role in the Holocaust? How did they go from “ordinary Germans” to monsters, and from monsters to people who seemingly did nothing criminal for 70 years and might have seemed normal to everyone who knew them? Were they true sociopaths, and are they now? Did they repent? Were they unrepentant? Did they rationalize it all away? Did they truly change and, if so, how and why? We don’t know any of that. They could be a valuable resource in terms of human psychology.
 
gracepoole said:
No one is claiming that “Germans” should keep apologizing for the Holocaust. But those who actually committed atrocities? Yes! Of course. They should be prosecuted whether they apologize or not.
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That’s fine. Not to generalize but I have found that among Jewish people just by asking them, if you ask what they think of Red Army atrocities by Stalin’s henchmen such as Genrikh Yagoda, Lev Mekhlis, they either will accuse you of anti-Semitic or they’ll make excuses on grounds that it was a war. If you use that argument, 1 can say the Nazis were just doing their duties as a soldier in a war. Not excusing what the Nazis did but soldiers who are sent to war are doing a duty for their nation, right or wrong. It’s like David and Goliath, Goliath was doing his job as a soldier as was David. It has been asked did God forgive Goliath.

Christians have different answers for this. 1 can say that a German soldier who was drafted into Wehrmacht, was just doing his job as a soldier as Goliath the Philistine was doing his job as a soldier. There are Christians who have said that Goliath could not be faulted for doing his job as a soldier and that if a German soldier was just fighting for his nation but not 1 of the Holocaust participants, then he is only doing job he was sent to do for his nation, though he was fighting for wrong side as Goliath was.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Possibly I shouldn’t say this, but one can wonder what kind of punishment is appropriate for a 90 year old woman who probably doesn’t have a lot more freedom of movement than she would in prison anyway.
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That’s it, isn’t it? Unfortunately, these investigations accomplish more in principle than reality. 😦
Ridgerunner said:
Could that information be invaluable? I think it possibly could be. Were people who were monsters once always monsters from childhood on, and for decades? Were they not terribly distinguishable from other people except for their role in the Holocaust? How did they go from “ordinary Germans” to monsters, and from monsters to people who seemingly did nothing criminal for 70 years and might have seemed normal to everyone who knew them? Were they true sociopaths, and are they now? Did they repent? Were they unrepentant? Did they rationalize it all away? Did they truly change and, if so, how and why? We don’t know any of that. They could be a valuable resource in terms of human psychology.
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You should read Christopher Browning’s Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland. He examines the psycholgoical conditioning of a Nazi police force assigned to killing Jews. It’s retroactive, armchair analysis, but it makes you reconsider the popular image of the Nazis as mechanical sociopaths; you never know what “normal” or “good” people are willing to do.
 
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