six nuns excommunicated for heresy!

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I am a Catholic who married a Mormon woman. I have always tried to be understanding and supportive of my wife’s religion.
You show anything but “understanding” of Mormonism on this board; and if that is anything to go by, it is unlikely that you show such an “understanding and support” to your wife either.
Since the wedding, my son and his wife don’t want much to do with me because I won’t convert to Mormonism. The Mormon Church has destroyed my family!
postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/magazine/pmm_article_full_text/203
Judging by your attitude and postings here, I would hazard a guess that you have destroyed your own family, not Mormonism.Your link says it all. That is not the attitude of Mormons towards part-member families. I have known hundreds of Mormons whose wives or husbands or children or other relatives are not members of the Church; and they are perfetly supportive and appreciative of one another, both in the Church and outside of it. Are you sure you haven’t estranged them from you, because they wouldn’t convert to Catholicism?

zerinus
 
You show anything but “understanding” of Mormonism on this board; and if that is anything to go by, it is unlikely that you show such an “understanding and support” to your wife either.

Judging by your attitude and postings here, I would hazard a guess that you have destroyed your own family, not Mormonism.Your link says it all. That is not the attitude of Mormons towards part-member families. I have known hundreds of Mormons whose wives or husbands or children or other relatives are not members of the Church; and they are perfetly supportive and appreciative of one another, both in the Church and outside of it. Are you sure you haven’t estranged them from you, because they wouldn’t convert to Catholicism?

zerinus
Apr 2, '07, 12:22 pm Posts: Posts: 1,265
Oh, there ain’t that many Zmen around! I come from the planet Zirkon, and I drive a Zmobile, and dress in a Zsuit, and my job is to kick the **** of all Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons!
zerinus

Sep 19, '07, 11:07 am Posts: 1,534
Only apostate Christians believe in what you call the Trinity. True Christians know better.
zerinus

Nov 11, '06, 11:39 pm Posts: 1,257
The Catholic Church is apostate anyway, to their ‘DUBIUM’ is as meaningless as their “baptism” is.
zerinus

Jul 5, '07, 6:45 pm Posts: 1,267
Your intelligence always was of the same caliber as your namesake. I can see that nothing has changed!
zerinus

Nov 12, '06, 2:17 pm Posts: 1,236
And let me state for you that if you reject Joseph Smith as a true prophet of God, and the divine messege he received from God, and do not repent of it in this life, you will be damned.
zerinus
bunch of corrupt apostates
 
Apr 2, '07, 12:22 pm Posts: Posts: 1,265
Oh, there ain’t that many Zmen around! I come from the planet Zirkon, and I drive a Zmobile, and dress in a Zsuit, and my job is to kick the **** of all Mormon apostates and anti-Mormons!
zerinus

Sep 19, '07, 11:07 am Posts: 1,534
Only apostate Christians believe in what you call the Trinity. True Christians know better.
zerinus

Nov 11, '06, 11:39 pm Posts: 1,257
The Catholic Church is apostate anyway, to their ‘DUBIUM’ is as meaningless as their “baptism” is.
zerinus

Jul 5, '07, 6:45 pm Posts: 1,267
Your intelligence always was of the same caliber as your namesake. I can see that nothing has changed!
zerinus

Nov 12, '06, 2:17 pm Posts: 1,236
And let me state for you that if you reject Joseph Smith as a true prophet of God, and the divine messege he received from God, and do not repent of it in this life, you will be damned.
zerinus
bunch of corrupt apostates
And what exactly has that to do with the post that you are supposedly replying to?

zerinus
 

the nuns were not supported officially anyway–it was all community support and they run a day-care and kindergarten which has not changed. They just can’t call it Catholic anymore.​

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Six Hot Springs nuns have been excommunicated for embracing a movement the Roman Catholic Church deems heretical, the Diocese of Little Rock announced Wednesday.

The nuns are involved with the Community of the Lady of All Nations, better known as the Army of Mary. Catholic authorities say the Quebec, Canadabased group elevates the Virgin Mary to the level of God and believes its founder is a reincarnation of the mother of Jesus.

The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has declared all members of the Army of Mary heretical and automatically excommunicated all who “knowingly” subscribed to its teachings.

Monsignor J. Gaston Hebert, the diocesan administrator, said he notified the nuns of the decision Tuesday night after they refused to recant the group’s teachings.

Hebert said that, to his knowledge, this is the first such formal declaration out of Rome that the diocese has encountered in its 165 years of existence.

“This is a painfully historic moment for us and the church, ” he said.

Excommunication bars members from leading the church liturgy or receiving communion and the other sacraments.

The six nuns are associated with the Good Shepherd Monastery of Our Lady of Charity and Refuge and operate St. Michael Catholic Child Care in Hot Springs. Since they are excommunicated, the nuns can no longer call their day-care and prekindergarten center a Catholic organization, Hebert said.

He also has directed individual Catholics and parishes not to financially contribute to the center, he said.

Sister Mary Theresa Dionne, one of the excommunicated nuns, said the group still plans to live in the convent, which it owns.

“We want to do God’s will, and we believe we are Catholic, ” said the 82-year-old Dionne, the assistant superior of the convent. “Even though they say we are not Catholic, this is not true.”

The other excommunicated nuns are Sister M. Gerard Lalancette, Sister Marietta Fecteau, Sister Mary Ann Lalancette, Sister Theresa Marie Lalancette and Sister Mary Thomas O’Keefe.

The nuns plan to maintain the day-care center, said O’Keefe, the director of St. Michael Catholic Child Care.

She said most of the nuns became involved with the Army of Mary more than 20 years ago.

“It was very spiritual for us, ” she said, “and we felt that it would be an important part of our life to be part of a Mary movement.”

Marie Paul Giguere established the group in 1971 after she said she received visions from God. Four years later the Archbishop of Quebec recognized the movement as a pious association. But in 1987, the archdiocese revoked that designation after Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger — then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and now Pope Benedict XVI — ruled that two books that the group used taught “erroneous doctrines.” Since then, the group has been investigated for heretical teaching.

“When something comes up, particularly within the church, that contradicts or would add to or subtract from things which we believe to be the inspired word of God, we are going to be very vigilant, ” Hebert said. “Whether it is too liberal, whether it is too conservative, if it is opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ as expressed through the Scripture and the church, that is heresy.”
 
Part 2

Chantal Buyse, 86, a Giguere secretary, said the group had expected the excommunication. She insisted that the group does not teach that the Virgin Mary is equal to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the godhead. She also denied that Giguere teaches that she is Mary’s reincarnation.

“You may believe a person can be possessed by the devil, ” Buyse said. “We believe a person can be completely possessed by the spirit of Mary.”

Hebert said he has known the Hot Springs nuns all of his life and served as the nuns’ chaplain in 2005. He said diocesan leaders have long known the women were involved in the Army of Mary and tried to persuade them to abandon its teachings.

“If you had asked me who are the people least likely in the state to commit heresy, I might have mentioned them, ” said Hebert, who later choked up when discussing the excommunication. “They are very orthodox, solid ladies who love God and love Jesus Christ.”

But, he said, the nuns had elevated Giguere over Christ’s teaching.

The nuns can still attend Mass. If they renounce the group’s teachings, they can return to full communion with the church.

They also can receive the sacraments in “extreme emergencies, ” said Deacon John “Bo” McAllister, who advises the diocese about matters of church and state law. For example, he said, they can be given last rites on their death beds.

“They are still Catholic, ” said McAllister, the diocese’s chancellor. “We are always ready for them to rejoin communion with the church.”
 
I have been a member for over 30 years and for 28 of those years refused callings. I am still a member. Never excommunicated or threatened with excommunication and I attend irregularly. Also, excommuications are not decided by one individual but by several people. There is something wrong with your story. If someone were excommunicated as your husband and the members would find out, there would be an out cry. Your husband could have had a terrible Stake President who acted improperly. But…no one to my knowledge was excommunicated for refusing ‘callings’ or for
questioning doctrine. Now actively disagreeing with doctrine, is quite another thing.

My husband was not excommunicated, the threat was there, but not acted on. Son’s were excommunicared as stated.Perhaps the reason you have never heard of this is because no one, even ex-LDS, want to talk about it or admit to it. There is always the fear of going to “outer darkness” for having left the church or being ouside the church due to excommunication. It takes a long time to finally learn to live without the fear of 'damnation".None of the three believed in LDS to the degree that they wished to stay in the faith. In other words, when all was said and done, all are happy to be “free”.

Mom of 5

Your husband and sons could have repealed the Stake President’s decision by going to a higher authority.
 
In other words Ravyn, no community support, and loss of building and hunger sets in for the sisters who dedicated their lives to god and church.

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The order owns the property on Malvern Avenue.
They have forsaken God and His Church by not being obedient and choosing to follow a false religion. They left the Church long before they were excommunicated.
 
In other words Ravyn, no community support, and loss of building and hunger sets in for the sisters who dedicated their lives to god and church.

The sisters receive financial assistance through the community and operation of the day care.

“To pay utilities, food bills and maintenance, the sisters depend on donations and bequests from former students and Hot Springs citizens as well as fundraisers sponsored by the school’s support organization,” according to Sept. 30, 2006, article in Arkansas Catholic.

Msgr. Hebert said he hopes all Catholics in the diocese will continue to pray for the Monastery of Our Lady of Charity and Refuge and that some day the six women will reconcile with the Catholic Church.

It would be interesting to hear the sisters side of the story. Also Msgr. Hebert wants the catholics to pray but not still **pay **for the sisters.
What do you expect to be done? These nuns were given 20 years to turn back to the Church and turn away from these very heretical false teachings. Not like this guy who was simply asking questions and questioning the authenticity of the Book of Mormon and excommunicated in a matter of months.

I just found out today that this “convent” is the USA headquarters for “Army of Mary”. I don’t know if that’s true but according to their own website (the Army of Mary website) they’re in the middle of starting their own church called “St. John’s” (Catholic Church being St. Peters).
 
First:🙂 Thank you, Ravyn, for providing valuable context concerning this story.👍

This is a very sad story, but to me, it simply speaks to the fact that, these ladies have been so insistent on their Army, that they have put themselves into this entire situation.
As I say, it is sad, & certainly I hope & pray that the nuns will turn away from this bizarre cult…But I don’t see what choice the Catholic Church had here.
There is no comparison with the Mormon case. None at all.
 
Just found out there’s at least 1 more Church member (laity) who was also excommunicated. Now I wonder how many Catholics here fell for this deception. 😦 :mad:

What really ticks me off is that our priests, former priests, and bishop (when we had a bishop), never warned us about the nuns following non-Catholic doctrine. Shouldn’t they have at least gave us a heads up? Catholics were sending their children there assuming it was a Catholic daycare/preschool. I would have sent mine there.
 
This is true. But for a nun, who is the bride of christ, not being able to receive communion could bring a feeling of emptiness during Mass.
Yes, that is how I feel when I am not in a state of grace and communion with the church. That unpleasant feeling helps me get to confession before next time. These nuns are in the same position as any Catholic who cannot recieve communion.

They aren’t feeling this emptiness at this point as they are attending illicit Masses at this point.
 
They aren’t feeling this emptiness at this point as they are attending illicit Masses at this point.
That’s right. I believe (not certain) they already have the “Blessed Sacrament” exposed again in their chapel. They also have a new priest.

Now I’m wondering is if Eucharist there is invalid (as in just a wafer) if the priest consecrating the hosts was ordained by a legit Catholic Bishop?
 
That’s right. I believe (not certain) they already have the “Blessed Sacrament” exposed again in their chapel. They also have a new priest.

Now I’m wondering is if Eucharist there is invalid (as in just a wafer) if the priest consecrating the hosts was ordained by a legit Catholic Bishop?
The local Pastors addressed this to the faithful during Mass on Sunday. Any Priest who arrives at this chapel/convent does not have the permission of the Diocese to operate within the Diocese, thus, any Mass (or other sacrament) would be at the least illicit.

In the Sunday instruction the faithful of the area were infomed that to participate in any religious activity (mass, adoration, etc. ) at the chapel would place that person in jeopardy of excommunication.
 
The local Pastors addressed this to the faithful during Mass on Sunday. Any Priest who arrives at this chapel/convent does not have the permission of the Diocese to operate within the Diocese, thus, any Mass (or other sacrament) would be at the least illicit.

In the Sunday instruction the faithful of the area were infomed that to participate in any religious activity (mass, adoration, etc. ) at the chapel would place that person in jeopardy of excommunication.
I know. I was quoting and agreeing with Seatuck who said that the nuns aren’t feeling emptiness right now from not receiving the Eucharist because they’re participating in illicit Mases.
What is in question here is the validity of ordinations, as this heretical group in Canada has performed their own “ordinations”.
And I was wondering if even though the Masses are illicit, is the Eucharist itself the body and blood of Christ if the excommunicated priest who says Mass was validly ordained from a Catholic Bishop before he was excommunicated?
 
And I was wondering if even though the Masses are illicit, is the Eucharist itself the body and blood of Christ if the excommunicated priest who says Mass was validly ordained from a Catholic Bishop before he was excommunicated?
That is a question for the experts to hash out… too big for my homeskooled learnin.
 
That is no reason to get excommunicated from the Church. Nobody ever gets excommunicate for such a reason. There must be a lot more to it than that, which you either don’t know abut, or you aren’t telling.

zerinus
There is no conformity regarding how individual Mormon Bishops and Stake Presidents will handle a situation. There are also very few checks and balances in the Mormon system for someone whose case was handled inappropriately. I have already mentioned that I was allowed to resign quietly while this other man in Arizona who had wanted to resign quietly was not given that opportunity. One Mormon Bishopric might excommunicate a woman for committing adultery while another Mormon Bishopric might disfellowship that same woman and another Mormon Bishopric might do nothing.
 
And what exactly has that to do with the post that you are supposedly replying to?

zerinus
I’m pretty sure he is refering to your charity, which is required for you to show on CAF.

You do no service to the Mormon church when cast such stones.
 
There is no conformity regarding how individual Mormon Bishops and Stake Presidents will handle a situation. There are also very few checks and balances in the Mormon system for someone whose case was handled inappropriately. I have already mentioned that I was allowed to resign quietly while this other man in Arizona who had wanted to resign quietly was not given that opportunity. One Mormon Bishopric might excommunicate a woman for committing adultery while another Mormon Bishopric might disfellowship that same woman and another Mormon Bishopric might do nothing.
Not accepting callings is not a sin against which any kind of disciplinary action can be taken. There are thousands of LDS who have gone inactive, and have not set foot inside an LDS Church for years. That is the ultimate act of “not accepting callings”. They don’t pay any tithing either; and very probably don’t obey the Word of Wisdom neither. I don’t see them being routinely excommunicated from the Church.

zerinus
 
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