Six reasons NOT to send your daughter to college

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If I was ever so fortunate to marry and have children I would wish to have an educated wife. In an ideal world I would like to home-school my children up to high school, and I think it would be valuable to have a wife with a higher education to teach our home-schooled children.
 
Somehow the article is pointing at key problems in our society: mother that don’t want to be mothers, lazy father etc…

Like the pope said in the airplane back from Rio: “The church teaching must become more clear bout the situation of womans”. And he pointed out being hero, womans that make sacrifice to take care of childrens.

I think the article is not perfect, but it’s making point that some don’t want to talk about. But we are alway’s ready to point the other side with their culture of death. Are we building a culture of life when we do not encourage womans to be mother first?
 
titoRoberto said:
Somehow the article is pointing at key problems in our society: mother that don’t want to be mothers, lazy father etc…

Like the pope said in the airplane back from Rio: “The church teaching must become more clear bout the situation of womans”. And he pointed out being hero, womans that make sacrifice to take care of childrens.

I think the article is not perfect, but it’s making point that some don’t want to talk about. But we are alway’s ready to point the other side with their culture of death. Are we building a culture of life when we do not encourage womans to be mother first?
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It is one thing to caution parents against putting career aspirations ahead of their vocations as spouses and parents, but when the Church becomes more clear about the situation of women, I can 100% guarantee that the Church will not say that the way to fix the family is to make sure that women are kept from seeking education beyond the 12th grade. :mad:
 
EasterJoy said:
It is one thing to caution parents against putting career aspirations ahead of their vocations as spouses and parents, but when the Church becomes more clear about the situation of women, I can 100% guarantee that the Church will not say that the way to fix the family is to make sure that women are kept from seeking education beyond the 12th grade. :mad:
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Please tell me, what a woman can learn that will help her in the house and raising kids beyond grade 12 than a book can’t teach? The article is clear, you know how to read you can go rent books on this and that. Library system is great.
 
my thought:

The mutual, reciprocal and bilateral submission concerning the conjugal life between spouses is the catholic moral law.

The married woman is or should be the " New Eve of her Man " and the " Saint Mary Magdalena of her husband ", I mean: the Female, the Fiancée, the Bride, the Sweetheart, the Love, the Mistress, the Lover, the Beloved, the Muse, the Friend, the Best-friend, the Girlfriend, the Helper, the Soul-Mate, the Companion, the Partner, the Associate, the Educator, the Teacher, the Professor, the Thinker, the Philosopher, the Schoolgirl, the Pupil, the Student, the Follower, the Female Opposite Number, the Alter Ego, the Alterity, the Complementarity, the Princess, the Queen, the Doctress, the Nurse, the Guide of her Husband and the Person who reveals in him, his part of feminity and helps his masculinity: his Wife and the Potential Mother of their future children. A catholic wife should have a huge consideration for her male. In her mind, man would be the most beautiful creature of the creation, he would be on the top of the natural creation wanted by God. He is her lover, her husband and her potential father of her children. For a catholic woman, he is her natural complementarity and her husband who is so divine, as he is coming from the creation of God. The bashing of man / husband coming from the wife is a social scandal and a moral scandal.

The married man is or should be the " New Adam of his Woman " and the " Holy Beloved of his wife ", I mean: the Male, the Fiancé, the Bridegroom, the Sweetheart, the Love, the Lover, the Master, the Beloved, the Pygmalion, the Friend, the Best-friend, the boyfriend, the Helper, the Soul-Mate, the Companion, the Partner, the Associate, the Educator, the Teacher, the Professor, the Thinker, the Philosopher, the Schoolgirl, the Pupil, the Student, the Follower, the Male Opposite Number, the Alterity, the Complementarity, the Prince, the King, the Doctor, the Nurse, the Guide of his Wife and the Person who reveals in her, her part of masculinity and helps her feminity : her Husband and the Potential Father of their future children. A catholic husband should have a huge consideration for his female. In his mind, woman would be the most beautiful creature of the creation, she would be on the top of the natural creation wanted by God. She is his lover, his wife and his potential mother of his children. For a catholic man, she is his natural complementarity and his wife who is so divine, as she is coming from the creation of God. The bashing of woman / wife coming from the husband is a social scandal and a moral scandal.
 
titoRoberto said:
Please tell me, what a woman can learn that will help her in the house and raising kids beyond grade 12 than a book can’t teach? The article is clear, you know how to read you can go rent books on this and that. Library system is great.
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OK, first off…if you are going to homeschool your children, you need more than a child’s education. There is a reason that nobody hires someone with no more than a high school education as a K-12 teacher. If no other school would take a teacher with such low credentials, why should a family want a teacher for their children who has not been educated according to her ability?

Do you think that if you have had high school chemistry, you know enough to teach high school chemistry? Have you ever personally taught yourself any of the hard sciences from a book you got at the library? I’m thinking you haven’t. When you went to college, didn’t you have any professors who gave you far more content than the textbook did? I certainly hope you did.

Do you personally know what it is like to go through this world with a high school education and to be surrounded by people who have been to college? I have a relative who did that. He was very successful, worked in law enforcement, worked as a photographer, and was well-respected, but he always regretted not getting his college degree. I have another friend who rose to a management position with a high school diploma, and HE went back to college and got a degree that, as far as I know, did not allow him to earn any more than he could have earned without it. He liked what he saw in employees who had been through college, he encouraged his employees who had not been to college to go, and he figured he had better walk his talk.

I have to think that all of you people who don’t think a college education is valuable have either never been to college or else made too little of the opportunity you got by being able to go. Not everyone gets that opportunity. It isn’t for everyone. To say, though, that someone who would personally benefit from going to college ought to be kept out because she won’t “use it” or he won’t “make the money back” is taking the art of the busybody to new heights. Who are you to say what someone else won’t “use” by developing their mind, just because they don’t have enough Almighty Mammon to show for it to satisfy you? I understand that not everyone who would profit from some good thing can necessarily afford to have that good thing, but how dare you reduce higher education to nothing more than a training ground for making money? :mad:

A parent does well to inquire about whether their child goes to college ready and able to make the most of the opportunity. They do well to ask if college is the best post-secondary option for a particular child. To make a blanket statement that mothers should be kept uneducated, however, is a statement than any educated person ought to be ashamed of.
 
on_the_hill said:
From a practical standpoint, I will agree that many fewer women should be going to college. And I’ll add that many fewer men should be going to college.

Basically, too many people are going to college, and I’m not being facetious. 40, 50, 60 years ago, college was ‘the dream.’ It’s not anymore. A college education doesn’t guarantee worthwhile employment afterward. But that’s a whole 'nother ball of wax.
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Actually, if you look at statistics, it is more likely that people who have a college degree will also have a job.

Yes, I realize that statistics are not always the best indicator of reality. But I happen to believe this stat.

My brother, a certified welder, is the supervisor at a factory. They don’t hire people anymore for the factory jobs at that company unless the applicant either have a certificate or an associate’s degree. He said that the fact that a person finishes some schooling indicates a greater likelihood that the person will be a good worker.
 
EasterJoy said:
OK, first off…if you are going to homeschool your children, you need more than a child’s education. There is a reason that nobody hires someone with no more than a high school education as a K-12 teacher. If no other school would take a teacher with such low credentials, why should a family want a teacher for their children who has not been educated according to her ability?

Do you think that if you have had high school chemistry, you know enough to teach high school chemistry? Have you ever personally taught yourself any of the hard sciences from a book you got at the library? I’m thinking you haven’t. When you went to college, didn’t you have any professors who gave you far more content than the textbook did? I certainly hope you did.

Do you personally know what it is like to go through this world with a high school education and to be surrounded by people who have been to college? I have a relative who did that. He was very successful, worked in law enforcement, worked as a photographer, and was well-respected, but he always regretted not getting his college degree. I have another friend who rose to a management position with a high school diploma, and HE went back to college and got a degree that, as far as I know, did not allow him to earn any more than he could have earned without it. He liked what he saw in employees who had been through college, he encouraged his employees who had not been to college to go, and he figured he had better walk his talk.

I have to think that all of you people who don’t think a college education is valuable have either never been to college or else made too little of the opportunity you got by being able to go. Not everyone gets that opportunity. It isn’t for everyone. To say, though, that someone who would personally benefit from going to college ought to be kept out because she won’t “use it” or he won’t “make the money back” is taking the art of the busybody to new heights. Who are you to say what someone else won’t “use” by developing their mind, just because they don’t have enough Almighty Mammon to show for it to satisfy you? I understand that not everyone who would profit from some good thing can necessarily afford to have that good thing, but how dare you reduce higher education to nothing more than a training ground for making money? :mad:

A parent does well to inquire about whether their child goes to college ready and able to make the most of the opportunity. They do well to ask if college is the best post-secondary option for a particular child. To make a blanket statement that mothers should be kept uneducated, however, is a statement than any educated person ought to be ashamed of.
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As someone else here pointed out, it’s partly about control. These men who think women should be forbidden to go to college want to keep their wives and daughters dumb enough and dependent enough so that they can continue to have control over them.
 
The doctrines and the practices,* that are in favor of the ontological inferiority of the woman, are not catholic. The " catholic chariarization " of natural rights, of natural duties and of natural obligations of woman are awful, unfair, and thus not catholic. *

The woman is not inferior. The man is not superior. The woman is not superior. The man is not inferior. The woman is not a legal minor. The husband is not the boss, is not the tyran, is not the dictator, is not the judge, is not the senator, is not the deputy, is not the father, is not the employer and is not the legal tutor of his wife.
 
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Just_Lurking:
Here is what Vatican II teaches about equality:
Nevertheless, with respect to the fundamental rights of the person, every type of discrimination, whether social or cultural, whether based on sex, race, color, social condition, language or religion, is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God’s intent. For in truth it must still be regretted that fundamental personal rights are still not being universally honored. Such is the case of a woman who is denied the right to choose a husband freely, to embrace a state of life or to acquire an education or cultural benefits equal to those recognized for men.
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titoRoberto said:
Please tell me, what a woman can learn that will help her in the house and raising kids beyond grade 12 than a book can’t teach? The article is clear, you know how to read you can go rent books on this and that. Library system is great.
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Child-rearing is, without doubt, one of the most challenging and rewarding tasks that a woman can experience.

A woman owes it to her children to acquire as much education as she possibly can. Yes, a woman can learn much from books, but if a woman has the opportunity to go to college, she should. In college, much learning occurs through interaction with professors and instructors, as well as with other students. In college, students experience many things that they will never experience through mere books; e.g., lab classes, choirs, theater, various clubs and organizations, debates, protests, writing assignments, etc.

A well-educated woman will be able to tell her children about the universe, about the history of the world, about great works of literature and art, about mathematics and science, and about God.

A well-educated woman will not only point to a flower and say, “Pretty flower,” but she will be able to tell her children how the flower came to be, how it sustains itself, and what happens to it when it dies. She will also be able to expose her children to great classical works of music about flowers, or take them to museums and show them beautiful works of art featuring flowers. She might even be able to show her children which flowers are edible and how to prepare them for the supper table!

A well-educated woman will be able to take her children around the world and through time and space without ever leaving their home. But if they do leave their home, the well-educated woman will make a simple drive to the grocery store into an adventure for her children.

In the book, Little Men, Louisa May Alcott talks about helping a child’s mind to unfold by exposing that mind to many different lessons and ideas .

I am a well-educated woman, and if I do say so, I was and still am a superb mother who carefully and diligently helped my daughters’ minds to unfold naturally. To this day, they praise me for the work that I did in raising them.

I do not mean in any way to denigrate women who are not able to acquire a college education. My mother dropped out of school in the 8th grade out of necessity (she had to pick cotton to help her family earn enough money to avoid starvation). But she read constantly, and read the best. When we were in grade school, my mother would walk up to our school to check large stacks of books out of the library, and she would read all of them in a week and come back for more books. She was the only mother who did this. I had a good example to follow!
 
I honestly find the whole thing a little odd because as a man whose work in school and on standardized tests indicate above average intelligence (just using numerical data here, humility means recognizing the gifts we have too), I have always been more inclined to marry someone who is smart and can keep up with me. I would get kind of bored if we couldn’t talk about stuff on a similar level. I also tend to dream big (very big) and want someone who is similarly driven as I am.

But I do think the fact that college can often be an immoral environment is something that needs to be addressed and fixed.
 
dixieagle said:
You’re exactly right about why this has attracted attention.

I have no patience with those who attempt to put the “Catholic” stamp on such utter drivel, playing into the hands of those who are aggressively anti-Catholic.

Now, I must go and speak with my sweet, Catholic husband (the one I met freshman year in college in our Theology class…)
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Hmm…I’m not sure women should be studying theology.
 
fpt said:
For information, in order to understand their own manner of seeing the female human nature.

Missy’s Happy Notes—Should He Correct Me?
fixthefamily.com/citabelles/missy-s-happy-notes-what-does-god-think

In the Garden of Eden, Satan tempted Eve. He went to her first. What if Adam would have been a man and corrected her and protected her from the snare of the devil? He would have felt like a man for doing so, even more so if she would have listened to him and did what he said. Don’t we all wish this would have happened!! Phew, what a mess! “No Eve, God said not to eat the fruit of this tree, but from all of the others here in this beautiful garden. Come away. We are going to listen to Him because He loves us and we love him. We are going to obey Him who created us.” Eve in turn, I think, would have fallen more deeply in love with him for doing this. To be corrected by a husband is not a demeaning thing. Because we obey God, it becomes a wonderful thing. Many blessings and graces flow from this exercise of obedience, of human nature. This is the way God designed it.

A playing out of this exercise is illustrated in Jane Austin’s Emma. The fallen human nature of a woman is displayed in Emma as she is a busybody in matchmaking and manipulation. She talks behind Mr. Knightly’s back, her pride surfaces, and she interferes in others’ lives. She causes chaos and she worries as she gets herself in trouble. Hearts break and tears fall. Her friend Mr. Knightly scolds and corrects her. At the end, when they reveal their love, he tells her that she has borne his rebukes better than any other woman in London would have borne it! He is so debonair. Isn’t it something that she has loved him all of that time and realizes it when she almost loses him because of her own fault. He saves her from herself, her faults and she loves it and him for it! Of course, she had a good attitude about it and understood what he was doing. This is an understanding of human nature.

There is something deeper than the correction which many seem like a childish thing. This correction of a woman by a man was always meant to be back in the Garden of Eden. Look what happened when Adam didn’t correct Eve. Did she love him as deeply as she should have, the way God intended after this? He let her and all of us down letting her have her own way. Then, back to the movie: Emma cried when Mr. Knightly rebuked her mouthy jokes and comments at a picnic. Then she cried when she thought she had lost him and when she had made a mess of things. So many times we are tempted to think like a human. Maybe some are tempted to think, “No man is going to tell me what to do or correct me!” Remember when Jesus rebuked Peter telling him that he was thinking like a man, not like God. He said, “Get behind me Satan!” I am glad that my husband is not scared of me. I am glad that he is man enough to make sure I keep my own spoon in my own pot! He protects me from myself, my fallen human tendencies as a female. Otherwise, it can get hurtful and kind of embarrassing! God bless you. Love, Missy

And to Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, cursed is the earth in thy work; with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life. Gen. 3:17
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If we’re looking at literature for lessons about gender roles, I’d hate to think what Raskalnikov says about men.
 
I didn’t read the article, but there is total wisdom in the daughter being truly under her father’s protection until she is married, and even then, the bible only speaks of the groom leaving his family… How can a daughter be truly under her father’s protection living in a dorm taking classes and hearing heresy taught as fact? She’s not under her father’s protection! The concept of NOT sending your daughter to college and instead taking on some type of apprenticeship model surely is not convenient or popular, but neither was Jesus and many of His teachings…

If a daughter is to go to college, debt is not ideal for a number of reasons. Daughter living at home either taking online classes or driving to a serious Christian school is the way to do it. Apprenticeship is also fantastic. If a family is fortunate enough to do so, sending your children out into the world in two’s is a great thing. It allows more room to stand strong in tricky situations, and the Lord Jesus sent His disciples out in two’s. I can thank Michelle Duggar for that one. A lot to be said for a protestant, Bill Gothard, and his ministry. It is very much centered on living a well-ordered life. The whole concept of finding out what in the world is okay and what’s not is irrelevant. Let’s not try to go as far as we can and still be Catholic, but look to see what would truly please God.

Let the this-is-totally-ridiculous responses begin. 🙂
 
EasterJoy said:
It is one thing to caution parents against putting career aspirations ahead of their vocations as spouses and parents, but when the Church becomes more clear about the situation of women, I can 100% guarantee that the Church will not say that the way to fix the family is to make sure that women are kept from seeking education beyond the 12th grade. :mad:
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I think women should stop at 8th grade, personally.
 
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