Slain in the Spirit

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Yes, but this is not necessarily related to the falling phenomenon either. Plenty of devoted persons have this without falling to the ground.
Luke 1:17
And he will go on before the Lord, **in the spirit **and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous— to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s Day I was** in the Spirit**, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

Revelation 4:2
At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

.Revelation 17:3
Then the angel carried me away** in the Spirit **into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.

Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away** in the Spirit **to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

And, yet :…
 
Perhaps I did not express myself well. When I refer to allowing the HS to be in control instead of the ego, that does not equate to a person losing control. People don’t yield to the Spirit sometimes because they FEAR to lose control. **But the HS never works outside the self control of a person. **That is one of the clearest ways to tell between a manifestation that is from the HS, and one that is from elsewhere. Manifestations from sources other than God lack the participation and self control of the individual (seizures, improper speech, disregard for authority and propriety, etc). Many Pentecostal events are fraught with persons giving over control to base activities that don’t glorify God. These are not authentic manifestations of the HS, which are always cooperative in nature.
Amen, it is easy to misread someone in fourms like these.
 
There is also the manner of falling. There is nothing natural or relaxed about the the human body toppling like a tree, although that can easily happen when someone is being leaned into. It smacks of psychological suggestion to me.

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Amen, part of what I call emotionalism. In fact, if you google slain in spirit and atheist, you will see that atheists have duplicated this experience by natural means.
 
Well, there really is no other way of falling, is there? Simple physics determines the manner of response once one experiences total relaxation under the influence of the Holy Spirit. This can occur without falling to someone bed-ridden just as well as those standing. It can happen to the wheelchair bound. And, yes, it can certainly seem like psychology - until you actually experience it.
or your experience is just all in your mind and is not a vaild move of the Spirit.

Can you list over the 2,000 plus years of church history those known for being slain in the Spirit? Where not the apostles themselves in the last days? as are we?
 
BD, now if my feet are in front of me, and another person had their back towards me then they would fall backwards on them - that is one possibility. However, if they didn’t - then they would fall forward at my feet. Think about this for a second.
It is more likely they would just slump downward. I have seen many people die in person. And, I can not think of one who fell backwards to the extent of a person paying homage by bowing on their face. Most often they fell straight down like their backbone suddenly turned into jelly.

Just because you say “possibility” does not make it likely. I know from vast experience people often fall straight down without any particular direction. BTW, my experience was in war and in a medical setting. I can think of a family member, who fell on his face when he died and lets just say, he was no saint.
 
Obviously you have not seen the lump on my forehead.

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But I appreciate your support. These are areas I am working toward. On another thread I was recently chastized for a lack of charity, so I am attending to it.

Never pray for patience and charity, because you will get opportunities to “practice”.

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Always pray for patience - and also charity because you will get an opportunity to grow, like the Apostle Paul and Peter.

:hey_bud:Nor have you seen the lump on anyone else’s forehead - either and that’s part of the point. When we share as a Christian community, and undivided, the richness of Christ flows. At mass, and we are all united together with Christ, the priest bring us - or invites us into that mystical union (like the bride and the broom) - it is a Charismatic way as in the same thought when we unite with Christ, and in Charismatic way as a group of individuals, “good gift that flows from God’s benevolent love”

Charismatic leadership and authority must have some qualities and characteristics, as you can tell the good from the bad. www2.iccrs.org/Benedict_xvi/The%20Ecclesial%20Movements%20-%20A%20Theological%20Reflection%20on%20Their%20Place%20in%20the%20Church.pdf
 
Backward/ forward … irrelevant.

What is needed is the the active gift of discerning of spirits … one of the tools that the HS has bestowed in order to equip the Church.

“In the last days I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh.”

When God does a “new thing” the enemy, according to Jesus, comes to steal, kill, destroy.

“but when the enemy comes in … the Lord raises up a standard against him!”

Discernment is crucial to separate the hamburger (real meat) from the hamburger helper.
Amen, I have the gift of discernment. And, in every case where I have witnessed such, it was not genuine. That does not mean there are not genuine cases out there, after all I can not be in all places at once.

Also, I Thess 5:21 plainly tells all believers to “prove all things”. And, what I see being claimed as scriptural simply does not line up as far as I can tell because in the NT the only two cases were both Apostles, and they witnessed some form of revelation. Since, the canon of Scripture is closed as far as I can tell ( Hebrews 1). I don’t expect anyone to come up more geniue scriptured via revelaitions.
 
I believe OP’s problem may stem from a logical fallacy in the premise of the thread: that all spiritual events or occurrences must appear in scripture, or be affirmed by scripture. OP is apparently “bible alone” and may not realize how incomplete the bible is as a sole rule of faith.
That is also the standard I have been holding that person to, as they claimed.

Now, branching out a little

How is being slain or resting in the Spirit consistent or inconsistent with the nature of God?

A problem I have seen too much in pentecostal circles is a lack of the fruit of the Spirit.

And, it is because of that lack of good fruit that I doubt God would today give someone who is not being buffeted by a demon such an experience.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

In short, God giving this experience without giving the same person the experience of a “thorn in the flesh” to keep them humble seems inconsistent and not very likely.

Do any here who claimed to have had the experience of being “slain in the Spirit” also have a “thorn in the flesh” or a demon to buffet you?
 
Always pray for patience - and also charity because you will get an opportunity to grow, like the Apostle Paul and Peter.

:hey_bud:Nor have you seen the lump on anyone else’s forehead - either and that’s part of the point. When we share as a Christian community, and undivided, the richness of Christ flows. At mass, and we are all united together with Christ, the priest bring us - or invites us into that mystical union (like the bride and the broom) - it is a Charismatic way as in the same thought when we unite with Christ, and in Charismatic way as a group of individuals, “good gift that flows from God’s benevolent love”

Charismatic leadership and authority must have some qualities and characteristics, as you can tell the good from the bad. www2.iccrs.org/Benedict_xvi/The%20Ecclesial%20Movements%20-%20A%20Theological%20Reflection%20on%20Their%20Place%20in%20the%20Church.pdf
Amen, as the saying goes, if you want tribulation pray for patience.

BTW, put on a humlet before that bump gets any bigger.
 
It is more likely they would just slump downward. I have seen many people die in person. And, I can not think of one who fell backwards to the extent of a person paying homage by bowing on their face. Most often they fell straight down like their backbone suddenly turned into jelly.

Just because you say “possibility” does not make it likely. I know from vast experience people often fall straight down without any particular direction. BTW, my experience was in war and in a medical setting. I can think of a family member, who fell on his face when he died and lets just say, he was no saint.
…:doh2: and I just received my third lump
 
I believe OP’s problem may stem from a logical fallacy in the premise of the thread: that all spiritual events or occurrences must appear in scripture, or be affirmed by scripture. OP is apparently “bible alone” and may not realize how incomplete the bible is as a sole rule of faith.
My previous contact with this member on CAF demonstrates that this is indeed the case.:yup:
 
Ah, it is poorly said, because if one compares the real thing recorded in Rev 1 and II Cor 12 with what modern “expericences” claims then they don’t line up with scripture and are therefore not the same thing. And, if they are not the same thing then those experiences really do not have any basis in scripture.
Poring over the scriptures in an attempt to find some arcane reference to each and every possible manifestation of the Spirit can lead you astray, just as I believe it has with the OP. God is not squeezed between the covers of the bible. He surrounds and permeates infinity.

The Catholic charismatic renewal, as well as the spiritual manifestations associated with it, has been tested and approved by the leadership of the Church. I need no further assurance, just as I need no further assurance that the bible is inspired - all of it.
 
That is also the standard I have been holding that person to, as they claimed.

Now, branching out a little

How is being slain or resting in the Spirit consistent or inconsistent with the nature of God?

A problem I have seen too much in pentecostal circles is a lack of the fruit of the Spirit.

And, it is because of that lack of good fruit that I doubt God would today give someone who is not being buffeted by a demon such an experience.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

In short, God giving this experience without giving the same person the experience of a “thorn in the flesh” to keep them humble seems inconsistent and not very likely.

Do any here who claimed to have had the experience of being “slain in the Spirit” also have a “thorn in the flesh” or a demon to buffet you?
At our baptism, we each received at least one gift (charism) of the Holy Spirit. As with the parable of the talents, we are expected to produce the fruits of the Spirit, via the gift that we each have received.

As to Pentecostals, some sects deny Jesus’ divinity. They do not have the fulness of faith, and so cannot be expected to produce the fruits in their fulness.

Since a thorn in the flesh produces pain, should not the cross we bear be considered our personal thorn in the flesh?
 
Frankly, we have two recorded instances in scripture and based on those, Yes I can evaluate modern slain in the spirit claims by simply comparing them with Biblical accounts.
There is nothing in the New Testament accounts that compares to the modern charismatic experience of resting in the Spirit.
Also, I have read what Pentecostal Theoligians ahve written on this topic too. So, yes I do have a vaild point. Also, I can understand the English language, among others and as such I can see the OP has yet to be proven via scripture.

In both accounts it was an Apostle, never the “average” Christian. Can anyone here who says they were slain in the Spirit lay claim to Apostleship? See, Acts 1 for qualifications.
This is absurd. This phenomenon is part of the gift if healing. Gods healing graces are not limited to persons in certain offices.
BTW, experience is the worse way of juding Truth of the matter.

Experience is to be evaluated in the light of revealed Truth, and reason. there is no reason these should be separated.
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2 Corinthians 12
A person who is resting in the Spirit usually does not have visions.
Revelation 1
10I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day…
What do you imagine this means?
 
How do you think it compares to resting in the Spirit of Book of Hebrews?
Hebrews does not reference “resting in the Spirit” at all.

The “rest” described there is about ceasing from our labor to be saved, and having our peace within Christ, whose labor on the Cross has purchased our salvation.

Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath rest. It is in Him that we now find our Sabbath rest.
 
or your experience is just all in your mind and is not a vaild move of the Spirit.
Do you honestly refuse to believe that a person can have an experience that is a valid move of the Spirit?
Can you list over the 2,000 plus years of church history those known for being slain in the Spirit? Where not the apostles themselves in the last days? as are we?
This phenomenon is unique to the New Pentecost.
 
or your experience is just all in your mind and is not a vaild move of the Spirit.
I lost my fear of evangelizing. My prayer life took on a completely new depth. Minor miracles occurred during prayer. The fruits - by their fruits you will know them.
Can you list over the 2,000 plus years of church history those known for being slain in the Spirit? Where not the apostles themselves in the last days? as are we?
Paul wrote of the Spirit speaking for him in prayer through inexpressible groaning (Romans 8:26). John was “in the Spirit” when he received the Revelation (Revelation 1:10). Peter received his rooftop vision while in the Spirit (Acts 10:9-10). The Saints write of their ecstacies. All are spritual manifestations. What is odd, and discomfiting is that these are not everyday occurrences, since they are quite common in the bible.

The Holy Spirit is our “Advocate” (John 14:16). He is given us to lead us to all truth. Without the Spirit’s presence and manifestation, we are alone with the “Accuser” - the devil (Job 1:9-11, Job 2:4-5, Zechariah 3:1). When should we be apart from our advocate? We are then alone, with only the accuser to condemn us before our Lord.

Why do you doubt? The same Church authority that canonized your bible also approved the charismatic renewal and monitors the movement, since it is Spirit-based. In 1 John 4:1, we are well advised to test the Spirits.
 
And, what I see being claimed as scriptural simply does not line up as far as I can tell because in the NT the only two cases were both Apostles, and they witnessed some form of revelation. Since, the canon of Scripture is closed as far as I can tell ( Hebrews 1). I don’t expect anyone to come up more geniue scriptured via revelaitions.
Who claimed that the falling phenomena was “scriptural”?
 
How is being slain or resting in the Spirit consistent or inconsistent with the nature of God?

A problem I have seen too much in pentecostal circles is a lack of the fruit of the Spirit. And, it is because of that lack of good fruit that I doubt God would today give someone who is not being buffeted by a demon such an experience.
While this is a problem, the healing graces of God are not reserved for persons who have spiritual maturity (fruit of the Spirit).

The charisms are given to novices in the faith who lack fruit and maturity.
In short, God giving this experience without giving the same person the experience of a “thorn in the flesh” to keep them humble seems inconsistent and not very likely.
You are right, it is not likely. It is not the same experience.
 
Actually, it is not obvious to a great many people, both Catholic and Protestant, that there are significant differences between Catholic and non-Catholic Charismatics. One of those differences is that Catholics are obligated to submit all spiritual experiences to the authority of the Church for validation.

Again, I worded the conversation, “I understand” and l also said, “I understand that the group that you belong to (Catholic Charismatic Renewal) might be structured entirely different from other denominations/movements outside of the church, which is obvious”

and I don’t really want to appear rude - but haven’t been able to discuss all other denominations in this thread because you’re relating most of these conversations toward the Catholic Charismatic Faith - and I’m trying to tell you that the OP message on this was: "Catholics post here but we are not talking about what Catholics do. We are discussing what **non-catholics call “slain in the spirit” **

Although your response to this term, has had some negative comments, you feel it is not a modern term used to describe a spiritual phenomenon, but a physical. And yet, there are other sources that would differ with you - each to his/her own. Although you don’t care for the term, which certainly was introduced by Pentecostals - it is a conversation (again) for those who do use the term. I’ve given some feed back on this - and quit honestly, Guanophore, if you feel that its wrong to step outside the faith to attend another revival - how could you possibly be able to answer Ginger? In a honest way? about what another denomination might answer? Even such - you are a Charismatic member, and you response has not related to that question, or have you followed up with Ginger on what she meant - I’ve not seen that discussion with her.

Ginger had given scriptural points, and there are other religions who do view those points much differently than our own faith, and also accordingly to how they may interpret that part. So now that we lost the flavor in the thread, it is very difficult to have a discuss on the question about what all other denominations call “slain in the spirit” and maybe discuss the comparisons with the Catholic Charismatic faith, when literally the discussion has been on what the OP’s message was and wasn’t about in her message.

Also, for those who have attended Charismatic Revivals in the past, like myself, from all the way from the Luther Synod, Charismatic gatherings (non denominational) to the Southern Baptist, I think quite honestly - some are able to give enough information to the OP’s question that would be considered as valid. As a matter of courtesy, and putting away the attitude, about what one might experience and also understand from these gatherings, comes from our own personal evaluation, they are neither right or wrong. In my Catholic religious education, for many years, have I ever heard that any personal experiences could be considered either way - whatever the terminology might be used to describe it - modern time or not. Revivals - some of the gatherings of people can be very large to very small, as our city hosted an event that the entire community participated with many joiners from “all” denominations - to show unity. It was quite amazing on how the Spirit can join people together for Christ. In a very metaphoric sort of way, the bitter waters can be sweeten, through God’s word.

Also, the hidden things that comes to light as we join,in unity, with the Spirit who nourishes us. If the Spirit wants to draw us nearer to Christ through other sources outside of our own perimeter, which is a rich benefit.
 
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