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Yes. It’s linked somewhere above.
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angel12
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Not in this article. Link, please?
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angel12
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Maybe there was something going on in the parish, or in the area, that made him think he needed to do this. Do you know more about this that the rest of us?
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KJW5551
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Yes in the article. Read the quote in my first post.
Mark121359
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No. But apparently you do. Otherwise as I said, why bother bringing it up at all and draw a huge standing ovation and disrupt the entire Mass. I agree with what Cardinal Ratzinger had to say about applause at Mass. This appears to bring the focus off of Christ, where it belongs, on to himself. But maybe that’s just me.
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goout
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Yep.
Plus, in what alternate universe is the public proclamation of the pastor’s sexual orientation proper to the liturgy?
Oh wait, in the dei-fied sexuality universe.
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angel12
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I did read the article. The Times itself claims no such thing.
“But gay men probably make up at least 30 to 40 percent of the American Catholic clergy, according to dozens of estimates from gay priests themselves and researchers. Some priests say the number is closer to 75 percent.”
There’s a difference between making a claim yourself (example, your claim that the NYT “shamelessly and baselessly claimed that up to 3/4 of our holy clergy are homosexuals”), and reporting what someone else says (as the NYT did in the quote I provided).
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KJW5551
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It’s an insinuation and it’s sickening. They’re putting the thought into millions of people’s minds that Roman Catholic clergy are overwhelmingly gay and it’s just not true.
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Brendan_64
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It may indeed take courage, but does the Church not say that candidates with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be admitted to the priesthood? Is standing up and openly declaring that you, as a priest, are homosexual not giving the message that it is acceptable?
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1Lord1Faith
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In addition to not knowing exactly what his sexual orientation was when he was admitting seminary, this priest was admitted to seminary long before the 2005 instruction was issued by Pope Benedict.
Being homosexual is acceptable, even in the clergy. So, by “it” I’m guessing that you’re referring back to the 2005 instruction. I don’t see that this priest’s admission gives the message that any of the following are acceptable for seminarians:
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Dukeq27
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The church became a haven for homosexual men. An all male clergy with “celibacy” and seminaries of all male young men was a recipe for rampant homosexuality. Once in positions of power within the Church they promoted their own. Anecdotally some seminaries drove out the truly faithful young men. Many disagree with me but celibacy, in my opinion, is the root cause. The continuing homosexual scandals points to a rotteness within the Church that is now, with the number of homosexual Bishops, Cardinals and Priests probably impossible to set right.
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Dukeq27
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The Church also supposedly condemns sex before marriage, bestiality, sodomy and abortion including contraceptive devices. I say supposedly because the Church has been strangely silent on the recent infanticide abortion laws couching this legislation as a continuation of women’s reproductive rights a euphemism if ever there was one. All that aside it seems to me that there are a lot of broken priestly vows out there when it comes to the sexual practices of the clergy.
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1Lord1Faith
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Apparently his bishop didn’t think so. And given that the 2005 instruction is enforced, one who wishes to join a seminary would be clearly mistaken to disregard the instruction in favor of an anecdote.
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Dukeq27
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Maybe bird cage liner. The left wing SJW, Anti-Trump, Socialist, East Coast Elite is certainly represented by that newspaper.
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adgloriam
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YES!!! Hearsay is a form of gossip and “blanket slander” AKA IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL reporting.
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JimR-OCDS
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I agree in part, that seminaries created a culture of homosexuality, this was admitted to back when St John’s Seminary in Brighten MA, got caught in the scandal that ended up removing Cardinal Law.
However, I disagree that celibacy was the cause. Instead, it was the homosexual culture itself and the superiors of that seminary who discriminated against heterosexual males who held strong belief in Church doctrine.
That all being said, there are homosexual priests who have not abused anyone and they are in fact good priest.
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However, I disagree that celibacy was the cause. Instead, it was the homosexual culture itself and the superiors of that seminary who discriminated against heterosexual males who held strong belief in Church doctrine.
That all being said, there are homosexual priests who have not abused anyone and they are in fact good priest.
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adgloriam:
In other words, “I don’t like the story, so I’m just going to claim it’s false without any evidence to back me up.”
Sarcasm and weak adjectives speak only of their author.
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FCS
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Having homosexual tendencies is not sinful, acting on them is
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Dukeq27
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Celibacy is an unnatural state of affairs. Why a priest has to be celibate is beyond me and you can’t convince me that this byproduct of homosexuality, illicit sex with young men, did not stem from this unnatural to begin with state of affairs. I suppose there are good homosexual men out there but the normalization of homosexuality in our present culture is to normalize perversity. If the homosexual priest like his heterosexual counterpart keeps his vows of Chastity then maybe and only maybe would “being” homosexual be acceptable. If Celibacy was rescinded then practicing homosexuals could not be priests as every sexual act between men involved Sodomy. A sin to homosexual and heterosexual alike. I suppose all sins can be forgiven can they not but I cannot suppose that being in a perpetual state of mortal sin as the predatory homosexuality of certain priests and the wink and a nod glossing over of these practices by other priests is actually a tacit condonement of perversity and hence the ultimate corruption of the Church.
I did not make these tenents up. The Church does not condone many things and homosexuality is one of them. The only way men can have sex with men and woman have sex with women is to commit Sodomy a mortal sin. Cultural relativity has brought us to this state of affairs to the point now where the “abortion” of infants can be done up to birth without so much as a squeak from the Church. So either the Church has rules with consequences or it does not.
I did not make these tenents up. The Church does not condone many things and homosexuality is one of them. The only way men can have sex with men and woman have sex with women is to commit Sodomy a mortal sin. Cultural relativity has brought us to this state of affairs to the point now where the “abortion” of infants can be done up to birth without so much as a squeak from the Church. So either the Church has rules with consequences or it does not.
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