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I did but your original post said something different.Did you bother to read what I just wrote? Apparently not.
I did but your original post said something different.Did you bother to read what I just wrote? Apparently not.
No, it didn’t. My original post was not addressing tobacco abuse, but the use of tobacco itself. I specifically made mention that we cannot judge one who smokes, so long as he does it moderately:I did but your original post said something different.
If you personally believe its gravely harmful to your body, and you still smoke, then it would be sinful. A person who did not have the same conviction as you would not be sinning when they smoke. Its as simple as that, and for any Catholic to say that smoking is absolutely sinful is assuming for himself the same heretical claim of authority that Protestants do, based on our private interpretation of data.
Is someone asks you a question, especially on a point of doctrine or morals, the first thing you should present him with isn’t your personal opinion, but what the Church has to say about it.
I don’t see how I could’ve been any clearer.Scott Waddell did exactly that. The Church says that the moderate use of tobacco is, in and of itself, not sinful. So the matter is settled, case-closed, despite whatever your personal opinions might be. To say that smoking is absolutely sinful is itself a sin against faith and charity.
Saints aren’t sinless.I’m not sure that Fr COrapi would say that smoking is a sin.
And btw, we have some Saints who are smoker. One of them is the great Saint Pius X (Pope)
Sorry, dude, but I find no reason to bind the conscience of the individual when the Church does not bind the conscience of the individual. You quote a Catechism paragraph on illicit drug use, but repeatedly throughout this thread, it has been pointed out that there is another paragraph in the Catechism that speaks directly to tobacco use. And it states that moderate use is not sinful. So it is not moral relativity. It’s freedom of conscience (in the proper sense).The moral relativity within this thread is interesting.
If you have no problems with cigarette smoking…then you shouldn’t have any problems with heroin use.
The Catechism says otherwise. It says drug use (not excess of drug use) is a grave offense. Whether it’s legal in your country or not.Illicit drug use can be no more of a crime against God than smoking, it is the excessive part that is sinful according to the Church.
Smoking and drugs are 2 different things. Compare drugs to alcohol if you like but definintly not smoking. Both drugs and alcohol affect the brain, they alter the senses, smoking does not. Although one could say that drugs and drinking in themselves are not a sin. What they do is lead you to sin, so people this is putting yourself in the way of occassion to sin,how can the church be critical of illegal or illicit drugs, sometime in the future they will be legal, many of them do not physically do as much damage to the body as smoking.
society makes numerous things crimes at some point and at some point later on these more minor or so called moral crimes are later repealed or watered down, drug are one of them.
Lets ask ourselves the question, is illicit drugs more dangerous to the body than smoking, answer- some yes some no.
The Church does not require us to follow the law of the land if it violates our relationship with God, God comes first. Society makes many of its crimes according to the times we live in.
Illicit drug use can be no more of a crime against God than smoking, it is the excessive part that is sinful according to the Church.
Since Saints mean that he goes to Heaven ASAP (most likely after his death), that means that he never gone to purgatory, that means that he never committed any sin. Even if the saint (such as Pius X) had the Last Rite (Extreme Unction), if smoking is a sin and he’s forgiven by that last rite, he should be in purgatory for a short while. Yet, he’s a saint.Saints aren’t sinless.
Exactly.This is not a morally relativistic argument. It is an argument about a prudential decision. Can tobacco smoking be sinful? Yes! Is it **inherently **sinful? No. At what point does it become sinful? At the point that it becomes damaging to the body or obsessive to the will. When is that point reached? That is a decision of prudence.
The Catechism suffers from ambiguity on this matter. Cigarette smoking harms the body even in moderate doses.As far as I’m concerned, this case is closed.
The Catechism says that moderate tobacco use is alright. It doesn’t say anoything about any other particular drug, but under the generic word “drugs” warns against abusing substances that harm our body.
So smoking a cigarette, in and of itself, isn’t a sin. Period. This is what Christ teaches, though his Church.
Any neo-Puritan teaching contrary to this one is of the devil.
Saints aren’t sinless…no one is.Since Saints mean that he goes to Heaven ASAP (most likely after his death), that means that he never gone to purgatory, that means that he never committed any sin. Even if the saint (such as Pius X) had the Last Rite (Extreme Unction), if smoking is a sin and he’s forgiven by that last rite, he should be in purgatory for a short while. Yet, he’s a saint.
Mandi, you’re completely nescient on this matter. Nicotine is considered a narcotic by scientists…this is why individuals smoke cigarettes…for the high. Tobacco companies worked on ways to enhance the delivery system…to increase the addictiveness of cigarettes. Alcohol can be absorbed safely in moderate amounts…cigarette smoking destroys lung tissue even with moderate smoking.Smoking and drugs are 2 different things. Compare drugs to alcohol if you like but definintly not smoking. Both drugs and alcohol affect the brain, they alter the senses, smoking does not. Although one could say that drugs and drinking in themselves are not a sin. What they do is lead you to sin, so people this is putting yourself in the way of occassion to sin,this is where the sin is!! Agreed - Government Law and Gods Law - two different things!!!