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GenerationZ said:
What in the world could you be doing in the shower that is seriously causing harm to your health every time you use it?

I’m not saying smoking sinful because it “can cause death”. Anything and everything can lead to death.

But, smoking is ALWAYS destructive to one’s health to some meaningful degree. The harm it causes is not a risk, it is an intrinsic and inescapable inevitability of the sinful habit. To engage is smoking is to knowingly cause harm to oneself in the pursuit of chemical induced sensations or to satisfy a fixation of some sort. But again, EVERY puff stains the lungs as it stains the soul. Cigarettes are so inherently destructive without any redeemable benefits that I believe it is nearly impossible (or at least exceedingly rare) for the act to be considered anything less than a grave sin under most any circumstances.

And that’s not even getting into the harm smoking causes others or how it financially fuels an industry that peddles death and decay on a mass scale.
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As noted before, it’s good that you know better than the Church about this.
 
Paleocon said:
As noted before, it’s good that you know better than the Church about this.
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I think you’re the one who may be a bit confused on the Church’s attitude toward smoking. They don’t embrace it or celebrate to the extent that you think they do.

I’m just going to repost this link and quote excerpt from it:

theguardian.com/world/2004/dec/31/smoking.catholicism

“The article in an authoritative Roman Catholic publication, prepared with the knowledge and endorsement of the Pope’s most senior aides, declares that smokers cannot damage their own health and that of others ‘without moral responsibility’.”

Are you questioning the wisdom of the Church?

I mean, I’m sure the Church would support moderation if there was a way to smoke a pack of cigarettes without inflicting any meaningful harm to one’s health, but alas, science has not arrived to the point where smoking can qualify for the type of “moderation” that the Church might otherwise be inclined to encourage.
freeRadical said:
The problem I have with the anti-smoking crowd is that when it comes to drinking they are ususally pro-drinking or indifferent. They are a bunch of hypocrites.
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I’m not pro-drinking. Never had a sip of alcohol in my life, nor do I ever intend to.

However, when the pro-smoking and pro-alcohol crowd is questioned about their views on marijuana, they tend to express hypocritical sentiments (unless that person is a libertarian). Whatever views we claim to endorse, though, I think a little logical consistency would do us all a some good.
 
Paleocon said:
I’m going to assume the the Church knows what it’s talking about and didn’t waste space in a catachetical document discussing impossible hypotheticals.

Jamma posted a link in the thread and you didn’t even bother to read it. Wow.

Why do I suspect that you’re a hopeless ideologue?
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Just a realist, not enthralled by the tobacco companies and their immoral profits. I think I have said this before but cigarettes both my parents, and both my grampas.
 
Paleocon said:
As noted before, it’s good that you know better than the Church about this.
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Figured out how to smoke in moderation yet? Have you met even one person who manages to do so? That is a question/issue you constantly refuse to reply to.
 
GenerationZ said:
I think you’re the one who may be a bit confused on the Church’s attitude toward smoking. They don’t embrace it or celebrate to the extent that you think they do.

I’m just going to repost this link and quote excerpt from it:

theguardian.com/world/2004/dec/31/smoking.catholicism

“The article in an authoritative Roman Catholic publication, prepared with the knowledge and endorsement of the Pope’s most senior aides, declares that smokers cannot damage their own health and that of others ‘without moral responsibility’.”

Are you questioning the wisdom of the Church?

I mean, I’m sure the Church would support moderation if there was a way to smoke a pack of cigarettes without inflicting any meaningful harm to one’s health, but alas, science has not arrived to the point where smoking can qualify for the type of “moderation” that the Church might otherwise be inclined to encourage.

I’m not pro-drinking. Never had a sip of alcohol in my life, nor do I ever intend to.

However, when the pro-smoking and pro-alcohol crowd is questioned about their views on marijuana, they tend to express hypocritical sentiments (unless that person is a libertarian). Whatever views we claim to endorse, though, I think a little logical consistency would do us all a some good.
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The Catechism is infinitely more authoritative than an op-ed.
andrewstx said:
Just a realist, not enthralled by the tobacco companies and their immoral profits. I think I have said this before but cigarettes both my parents, and both my grampas.
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There’s nothing the least bit realist about claiming that smoking is necessary to die (Because apparently non-smokers are immortal :rolleyes:).
 
:nope:

When it comes to partaking in any practice which directly involves our bodily health, the following bible verse *must *be taken into consideration.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
The Physical body is the temple for human souls and the Holy Spirit. Destroy this temple, and God will destroy you.

:hmmm:

How do we as sinful creatures destroy our temples? By engaging in any ideology or practice which compromises our bodily integrity and human identity in any way, shape, or form.

We don’t have to directly rebel against God in order to incur sin. We can still be wicked in the eyes of the Lord whenever we mistreat ourselves and others.

Smoking may not be as drastic as murder, but it still lessens the capacity of the human mind and body, and therefore, whoever smokes is damming himself or herself, and should repent immediately, lest he or she breathe in the fires of Purgatory, which he or she has sadly been enjoying for so long in the form of smoking, which is in essence interior arson.
 
Faxero said:
When it comes to partaking in any practice which directly involves our bodily health, the following bible verse *must *be taken into consideration.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
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And also the verse immediately after that. 1 Corinthians 3 18
 
andrewstx said:
Just a realist, not enthralled by the tobacco companies and their immoral profits. I think I have said this before but cigarettes both my parents, and both my grampas.
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Cigarettes KILLED both my parents and both of my grampas.
 
I was in Rome this week, and saw one of our American cardinals on the street, smoking a Marlboro as usual. This caused me to think fondly of Pope Benedict, who also smoked. I think I’ll just go with their opinion, thanks. I smoke a nice cigar about once a week, and a few cigarettes here and there. I feel no compunction to confess this.
 
Three of my good friends and one of my cousins were killed by cars. Another cousin and an uncle were maimed by cars. Evil companies profit from selling cars, which hurt countless children.

Now, why am I not claiming that cars are evil and buying them sinful?
 
andrewstx said:
Who can smoke with “moderation”? No one, that is just not how smoking works. Smoking is highly addictive, more than any other drug. You start by asking for a smoke when you have a beer then progress to packages and soon cartons. That is how it works for the overwhelming majority.

People in AA often succeed in getting off booze, but never cigarettes. Visit a meeting sometime and you soon notice that EVERYONE is smoking…
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Agreed. I have personally and professionally encountered many hard-core drug addicts who have done it all. They have succeeded in overcoming all types of drugs: heroin, cocaine, alcohol, meth, pills, pot, etc. Yet, they are unable to overcome their addiction to cigarettes, and tell me that no addiction in the world is more difficult to overcome.
 
GenerationZ said:
What in the world could you be doing in the shower that is seriously causing harm to your health every time you use it?

I’m not saying smoking sinful because it “can cause death”. Anything and everything can lead to death.

But, smoking is ALWAYS destructive to one’s health to some meaningful degree. The harm it causes is not a risk, it is an intrinsic and inescapable inevitability of the sinful habit. To engage is smoking is to knowingly cause harm to oneself in the pursuit of chemical induced sensations or to satisfy a fixation of some sort. But again, EVERY puff stains the lungs as it stains the soul. Cigarettes are so inherently destructive without any redeemable benefits that I believe it is nearly impossible (or at least exceedingly rare) for the act to be considered anything less than a grave sin under most any circumstances.

And that’s not even getting into the harm smoking causes others or how it financially fuels an industry that peddles death and decay on a mass scale.
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As my mother pointed out to me once, people died from lung cancer, had COPD & asthma long before tobacco was introduced into their society.

Given that additional piece of information, do you feel the same way about coal, bbq’s, fireplaces, candles, diesel trucks, anything that emits fumes into the air? Wouldn’t anyone who uses coal and breathes in the smoke be staining their lungs? Couldn’t a smoky fireplace stain the lungs? People who work in the coal mines have lung problems. People who live in smoggy places have lung problems. I grew up in Pasadena during the early sixties. Breathing air gave you the equivalent lung damage as smoking a pack a day. Was I commiting a grave sin by breathing?
 
andrewstx said:
Who can smoke with “moderation”? No one, that is just not how smoking works. Smoking is highly addictive, more than any other drug. You start by asking for a smoke when you have a beer then progress to packages and soon cartons. That is how it works for the overwhelming majority.
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That’s an assertion with no proof. I know plenty of people who smoke with moderation. I know people that have one cigarette a day. I know people who only smoke when they drink. I know people that enjoy a nice pipe after a long days work with a glass of wine. It is very easy to smoke in moderation.

By the way, alcohol can be addicting too.

There is nothing immoral about nicotine. It is just a stimulant, no different than caffeine, except for its addictive properties.
 
GenerationZ said:
What in the world could you be doing in the shower that is seriously causing harm to your health every time you use it?
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Do you know how many people slip in the shower each year? Resulting in serious injuries and sometimes death?
I’m not saying smoking sinful because it “can cause death”. Anything and everything can lead to death.
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That is exactly what you said.
But, smoking is ALWAYS destructive to one’s health to some meaningful degree.
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Being alive is destructive to one’s health.
 
andrewstx said:
You have to smoke to die.
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You do know that no causal link has been found between smoking and cancer right? Correlation yes, but correlation does not equal causation. The most they can conclude is that smoking may increase the risk of getting cancer. Last time I checked, the number was ridiculously low. Something like, people who smoke have a 4% increased chance of getting cancer over people who don’t smoke.
 
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