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[tweetymom]

so, i know you have the right to believe whatever you want. not us Catholics, we must believe all that the Church teaches. she is our Mother, therefore, we listen, obey, because it is pleasing to God that we do this.
now, do you believe you have the authority to determine which teachings of the Catholic are in according wiht the Bible or not?

How did you come to this conclusion?

Not only do I believe I have the right to read and understand scripture with the guiding of the Holy Spirit ,so does every other child of God. The church is not my mother it is a place I go to worship our Savior. Not all teachings are according to the Bible. If it pleases to to believe what you do, then I say God Bless you on your journey with Jesus.

 

[tweetymom]

really? is it not because of this that protestants have been condemned the CC for centuries? for doing works of charity?
very interesting. interesting indeed.

I have never hears the CC condemned for doing good works.

 

[tweetymom]

for us Catholics that includes to love His Bride. the Church of the living God, the Pillar and Bullward of the Truth. we love the Church our Mother. i know this is pleasing to Him. how can we Catholics love the Bridegroom and not His Bride? it is impossible.

Jesus is the Bridegroom and we believers are His Bride, because we are the church.

 

[kage_ar]

Not only do I believe I have the right to read and understand scripture with the guiding of the Holy Spirit ,so does every other child of God. The church is not my mother it is a place I go to worship our Savior. Not all teachings are according to the Bible. If it pleases to to believe what you do, then I say God Bless you on your journey with Jesus.

Please, stop calling yourself Catholic!

The Church is not a place, she is the Bride of Christ, she is our Mother, she is a living, immortal body!

 

[tweetymom]

As one of the posters likes to say frequently, without explanation,

Well without any hesitation I cannot say amen to that.

 

[spn82756]

yes, we know the CC is wrong and you are right.

what else is new?

Wisdomseeker…

I’m sure you realize that there is a significant minority of Catholics (traditional) that consider you to be following heresy. That is of course if you attend the Novus Ordo. AND they are no longer excommunicated. If you think I kid you…then check out sspx.org or the traditional Catholic part of the forum. They consider you to be a part of our “separated brothers” and I use the term generously. They do not. Pope Benedict has given them greater range in the last couple of years. For SSPX…Protestants are heretics…Orthodox are heretics and you and I are heretics. When does the foolishness end?

Have you thought of changing your name to Wisdomgiver since you have all the answers?

 

[tweetymom]

Please, stop calling yourself Catholic!

The Church is not a place, she is the Bride of Christ, she is our Mother, she is a living, immortal body!

Please stop trying to tell me what I am and am not. You are not God. We believers are the Bride of Christ and sorry if you do not agree:shrug:

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Not all teachings are according to the Bible.

We finally agree on something. The teaching that the Bible is the only authority is not taught in the Bible. The teaching that every individual is to interpret scriptures for themselves is not taught in the Bible.

 

[tweetymom]

We finally agree on something. The teaching that the Bible is the only authority is not taught in the Bible. The teaching that every individual is to interpret scriptures for themselves is not taught in the Bible.

The Bible is to be read ad understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.1 Cor.2:5, That your faith not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.The power of God is in the Holy Spirit for one thing and it is what gives me the understanding.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The Bible is to be read ad understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.1 Cor.2:5, That your faith not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.The power of God is in the Holy Spirit for one thing and it is what gives me the understanding.

Who caused the people to understand scriptures in the passage below?

**Nehemiah 8

1And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.

2And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

3And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.

4And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.

7Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.

8So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.**

What does Peter tell us about interpretation of scriptures?

**2Pe 1:20 Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

2Pe 3:15 And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation: as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.**

Peter seemed to say the Gospel edures for ever and this is the word which had been preached to us. Paul specifically said, 'Faith come by hearing."

**1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel hath been preached unto you.

Rom 10:17 Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ. **

 

[BrianH]

We finally agree on something. The teaching that the Bible is the only authority is not taught in the Bible. The teaching that every individual is to interpret scriptures for themselves is not taught in the Bible.

In the passages you just listed, who gets to interpret scripture?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Not only do I believe I have the right to read and understand scripture with the guiding of the Holy Spirit ,so does every other child of God. The church is not my mother it is a place I go to worship our Savior. Not all teachings are according to the Bible. If it pleases to to believe what you do, then I say God Bless you on your journey with Jesus.

i never said the Church is your Mother. i said the Church is the Mother of Catholics. us Catholics and not you. yes, it is pleasing to me and to her Builder, the Christ. thanks be to God who gave us a teaching Church to protect us Catholics from false teachings.

and what teachings are these?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The Bible is to be read ad understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.1 Cor.2:5, That your faith not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.The power of God is in the Holy Spirit for one thing and it is what gives me the understanding.

As you said further back in this thread, you have to look at the verses before and after a single verse

**1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not in the persuasive words of human wisdom. but in shewing of the Spirit and power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith might not stand on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among the perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, neither of the princes of this world that come to nought.
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, a wisdom which is hidden, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But, as it is written: That eye hath not seen, nor ear heard: neither hath it entered into the heart of man, what things God hath prepared for them that love him. **

Was not Paul’s teaching the teaching of a man?

He preached from scriptures. He was the authority who explained the scriptures (Old Testament) to the people.

 

[tweetymom]

Who caused the people to understand scriptures in the passage below?

**Nehemiah 8

1And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.

2And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.

3And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.

4And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.

5And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

6And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.

7Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.

8So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.**

What does Peter tell us about interpretation of scriptures?

**2Pe 1:20 Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

2Pe 3:15 And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation: as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.**

Peter seemed to say the Gospel edures for ever and this is the word which had been preached to us. Paul specifically said, 'Faith come by hearing."

**1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel hath been preached unto you.

Rom 10:17 Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ. **

In the old testament there was no Holy Spirit. And faith does come by hearing. But believers have the HS to aid.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

In the passages you just listed, who gets to interpret scripture?

Men of the Church wrote the Bible. Men of the Church explained their interpretation to those they gave the scriptures too. Men of the Church defined the canon of the New Testament. Men of the Church preserved the Bible, upto the 1500s and even to today, or the Protestants wouldn’t have it today.

Did Christ tell us to depend on scriptures or to listen to those in authority over God’s word?

Mat 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses.
Mat 23:3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not. For they say, and do not.

Why does the inspired word of God tell us the Church is the pillar and ground of truth, instead of scriptures?

Why does the inspired word of God tell us the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known through the Church instead of scriptures?

Please provide us where the Bible tells us it is the ONLY auithority and also show us where the Bible tells us to interpret scriptures for ourselves…I can save you some time, it’s not in there. Those are man made teachings.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

In the old testament there was no Holy Spirit. And faith does come by hearing. But believers have the HS to aid.

Wow. Just wow. Glory be to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Wrong again! Jesus taught of the Holy Ghost in Old Testament times!

**Mar 12:35 And Jesus answering, said, teaching in the temple: How do the scribes say that Christ is the son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself saith by the Holy Ghost: The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool. **

 

[wisdomseeker]

Wisdomseeker…

I’m sure you realize that there is a significant minority of Catholics (traditional) that consider you to be following heresy. That is of course if you attend the Novus Ordo. AND they are no longer excommunicated. If you think I kid you…then check out sspx.org or the traditional Catholic part of the forum. They consider you to be a part of our “separated brothers” and I use the term generously. They do not. Pope Benedict has given them greater range in the last couple of years. For SSPX…Protestants are heretics…Orthodox are heretics and you and I are heretics. When does the foolishness end?

Have you thought of changing your name to Wisdomgiver since you have all the answers?

yes sir.
:bowdown::bowdown:

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

In the passages you just listed, who gets to interpret scripture?

In Nehemiah 8, the priests explain the scriptures and caused the people to understand.

 

[spn82756]

yes sir.
:bowdown::bowdown:

True Christianity. You totally ignored the rest of the post. Maybe instead of sarcasm you would check the site I suggested.

Christians are Christians. As Catholics we have Tradition…but that doesn’t make Christians that do not believe exactly as we do.

The Orthodox have had the least change from the original Church…yet you are not Orthodox.

 

[BrianH]

Men of the Church wrote the Bible. Men of the Church explained their interpretation to those they gave the scriptures too. Men of the Church defined the canon of the New Testament. Men of the Church preserved the Bible, upto the 1500s and even to today, or the Protestants wouldn’t have it today.

Did Christ tell us to depend on scriptures or to listen to those in authority over God’s word?

Mat 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses.
Mat 23:3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not. For they say, and do not.

Why does the inspired word of God tell us the Church is the pillar and ground of truth, instead of scriptures?

Why does the inspired word of God tell us the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known through the Church instead of scriptures?

Please provide us where the Bible tells us it is the ONLY auithority and also show us where the Bible tells us to interpret scriptures for ourselves…I can save you some time, it’s not in there. Those are man made teachings.

First of all, did you even look at what it says by my name? Didnt think so…You would not popped out the standard Sola Scriptura lines if you had.

The point of my question, which was not really answered, is that take the Pharisees for example that you used as an example. The Pharisees are not the authority for all time with the Jews. The person whose interpretation is valued depends/varies based upon the context.
Its almost like your random verse generator is broken. You are throwing out more unrelated passages than most fundamentalists.
The concept of interpretation involves a teacher, for example the Ethopian Eunuch but one can only extrapolate so much.