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polgas733
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THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT
you can still believe Jimy Akin if you want
So just what are the beliefs that are mandatory for salvation
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you can still believe Jimy Akin if you want
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AmateurPianist
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I donât think you are understanding what I am asking. That is ok.THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT
you can still believe Jimy Akin if you want
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polgas733
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I donât know whatâs hard to understand from your questionI donât think you are understanding what I am asking. That is ok.
1stly I think having to be in the right church of Christ is necessary for salvation
even when I quoted âthe gates of hell shall not prevail against itâ
you still questioned Jesusâs words over Jimy Akinâs guide to Salvation
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tweetymom
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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
That is my answer.
One more thing, it does not mention the church you must attend.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
That is my answer.
One more thing, it does not mention the church you must attend.
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crazzeto
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The church does teach that in his infanent mercy, God will not condem the ignorant. That said, when the ignorant are exposed to the full truth of Christ, it is their duty to accept it. More over, being fully ignorant of the truth of Christ and God makes salvation more difficult, it tends to make one fall pray to Satan and his fellow daemons who would lead souls afowl of the natural law, which no one is blameless for breaking.
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âHe hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?â
Micah 6:8
God looks upon the heartâŚHe sees the âhidden placesââŚHe know the desire and where our trust and faith liesâŚâLord I believe, help my unbelief.â âGod be merciful to me a sinner.â âLove the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and the second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself.â
Micah 6:8
God looks upon the heartâŚHe sees the âhidden placesââŚHe know the desire and where our trust and faith liesâŚâLord I believe, help my unbelief.â âGod be merciful to me a sinner.â âLove the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, and the second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself.â
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AmateurPianist
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I just notice that you disagree with Jimy Akin, a fellow Catholic.you still questioned Jesusâs words over Jimy Akinâs guide to Salvation
Jimy Akin is a noted Catholic apologist and author.
You are an anonymous poster over the internet.
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JRKH
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If you wish to become unconfused, I suggest you get and read a copy of the
Catholic Church Catachism
Also this link might help you
Dogmaâs of the Catholic Church
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schaick
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Hey - I just posted on another thread about this so I had a list started. if you can find any other please add to the list:
Look at what we need for salvation:
2 Timothy 3
15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Romans 1
16I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
Romans 10
9That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, âAnyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.â 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentileâthe same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, âEveryone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.â
Ephesians 1
13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are Godâs possessionâto the praise of his glory.
1 Peter 1
8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
John 3
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 16
15 He said to them, âGo into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.â
Matthew 10
32 âWhoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.â
John 14
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
2 Corinthians 7
10Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
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OchsFam
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Just to clarify, it is you who are not understanding Jimmy Akin and are thus confused. Read what he says, not just about justification. Notice that the word justification is not the word salvation. They are do different words with two different meanings. Salvation, as Jimmy Akin points out, is a process, not a single event.
If you do not want to read all of what Jimmy Akin says, that is fine, but do not claim to know what he teaches when you arenât going to read it all. One article that he wrote can be found on the previous link, but I will provide it again and maybe it will help clear some of the confusion up. Click here for more than just the justification argument of Jimmy Akin.
God Bless.
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AmateurPianist
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I read that other article and nowhere do I find him stating this long laundry list of other beliefs that are mandatory for salvation. Sorry, but I did not see it there either.
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tweetymom
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I have tried reading this. Sorry but Catholic Christianese is often hard for me to understand. I need people to translate it to English.
OKâŚthis is better. And now you are sort of answering my question.
Is the claim then that everyone who is in heaven at least after the time of Christ must hold all of these beliefs?. That is what I mean âmandatory for salvationâ. If so, then the only folks in heaven are card carrying, orthodox Catholics.
Why when I read Jimy Akin doesnât he mention this then?
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JRKH
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I havenât read Jimmy Akin so I cannot address his stuff directly.
As you can see just from the answers here everyone can have different ways of expressing things. Also many people, especially ones who have been raised Christian, may overlook certain things just because the beliefs are so much a part of their life and character.
As to the Catachism. The reason I posted the link is that it allows for looking up certain answers. If you have trouble with the terminology, Iâm sure there are many here who will help.
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OchsFam
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That is the problem. Your are looking for a list in an explanation. He goes through the process of salvation which includes baptism, the Eucharist, confession to a priest, etc. The âlistâ is there but ultimately the requirement is that you must die in a state of grace. To be in this state of grace will be dependent on when you die. If you live a full life, you will have a longer list than if you are an infant. This is because truth is revealed to us throughout out life and as we receive it, we must chose to accept it or deny it. We are responsible for what we know and what God has revealed to us.
Being a Catholic, I have the fullness of this Truth and am responsible for all that it entails. The question becomes when does a hardened heart impede the revelation of Godâs truth to the point that you arenât refusing to hear Godâs voice so much as you have invincible ignorance. The normal means of salvation include things like baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, forgiving the sins of others, confession, and all of this is through faith in Jesus Christ. There is an extra-ordinary means by which some of these things are not required due either to invincible ignorance, lack of revelation (due to age or where you live for example), or simple inability to get them done (as in the thief on the cross).
As a Catholic, we acknowledge that God can save who he wants, when he wants to. So while we define the normal means of salvation and the requirements as such, we always allow the for the work of Christ in the individual not known to outside observers. We do not plan on the extra-ordinary means so we must follow the ordinary means to ensure salvation. Again, I hope this is clarifying the discussion somewhat.
God Bless.
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Priscilla_Ann
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You are right once again, Tweety!
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Spencerian
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AmateurPianist:
Thanks for your patience, and apologies for some of us who (while surely well-intentioned) are being a bit curt and less than charitable in trying to answer your questions.
(A side note: The proper spelling of Catholic.comâs apologist is âJimmy Akin.â)
Yes, I did give you a lot of information in my first post. No one should expect you to understand all that is Catholic all at once. Some Catholics take decades on their own and still may not get it right.
But let me build on what James posted to you: the dogmas of the Catholic Church.
Someone did mention but not have explained that, yes, we Catholics, as the oldest of all Christian faiths, hold to the point that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church (CCC 846) But our Catechism (the teaching guide of our Church) immediately clarifies that salvation through Christ is *possible *in our fellow Christian faiths, or even in faiths where Christ is not known, but the Church doesnât know how thatâs done (CCC 847). So, yes, that does mean that heaven is going to be filled with many a pious and righteous follower of many faiths because God is merciful and seeks out good hearts, even those outside of the Church.
The âno salvation outside the Churchâ thing is an example of a Catholic **dogma **(official teachings that are core beliefs of the Church). **Doctrines **(official teachings). Doctrines are teachings that are essential (such as the path of salvation through faith by expressions of your faith towards others) but not taught as âinfallibleâ, or defined by the Holy Spirit through the Bishop of Rome as a core belief (dogma). All dogmas are doctrines, but not all doctrines are dogmas. Doctrines might change or be eliminated over time, but dogmas are forever.
As you know from reaching just the Old Testament alone, heaven is probably full of the righteous and piousâmany of them Jews, many notâŚand, although we donât know, many are probably not Christian, either. While being Catholic is the preferred way that we see to achieve salvation, it may not be the only wayâbut a Catholic will teach the known way over the unknown, of course.
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tweetymom
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Thank you and God Bless.
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dnu
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yep, once again, tweety quote mines a couple of verses completely out of historical context and relishes in victoryâŚkeep up the good workâŚitâs driving more and more people like me to the Catholic Church everday 
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polgas733
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Now why would I disagree with Jimmy Akins?
in order to be Catholic one must be baptized right?
did I say not that baptismal is a requirement for salvation?
and In order to obtain salvation a Catholic needs to confess and recieve communion. and where else could you recieve those sacraments? In a Catholic Church
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