So Many Facutal Errors

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Lou2U said:
I’m intrigued. Why should Obama get his facts straight but Trump be let off “embellishing”?
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Obama wasn’t even directionally close, none would care if he had been in the ballpark
He said costs would go down, they increased significantly
 
I’m really at loath to discuss a conversation between another poster and I with a third party so this is the only time I will do so.

The comments minimising “embellishments” and lies as “playing loose with facts” coupled with saying the importance is not what Trump says as long as he doesn’t affect America’s paycheck did lead me to the conclusion I drew. If you wish to disagree that is fine. I did not state what I thought expecting others to agree with me.

That is all I have to say with regards to my conversation with Jeanne.
 
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“Embellished” is a euphemism. It usually means something like minor exaggerations. Trump does more than embellish. He consistently lies, presenting and alternate view of the world that is false. And his supporters condone or deny this behavior. They are thus enablers, collaborators, collides in his lies. That is sin.
 
Underwriting and associated costs did go down. My neighbor’s kid told me entire departments were eliminated. Premiums decreased initially and more did get covered as promised.
 
If you are talking about insurance companies yes you are right. One of my customers (a Blue) lost hundreds of millions of dollars in the first years of the ACA and cut costs everywhere.

Because they lost millions of dollars, not because they had cost savings.
 
What a terrible choice for commitment speaker. I am sure many of those attending would have rather not heard from Trump.
 
Lou2U said:
I’m not convinced Trump is any different with this.
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Let’s just assume the OP is accurate, and it may not be.(Military accounting is very convoluted as sources are very dispersed, and a count varies on assumptions)
  • Defense spending is within 2% of all time high (directionally accurate)
  • Navy is near it’s smallest and will get lots of new ships (directionally accurate)
  • Would have to study the other points. Is this an actual raise while others were COLA adjustments?
What I consistently see with trump is hyperbole in his speeches. He takes something that is legit (good or bad), then adds a bit more spin that exaggerates it a bit.
 
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Theo520 said:
Let’s just assume the OP is accurate, and it may not be.(Military accounting is very convoluted as sources are very dispersed, and a count varies on assumptions)
  • Defense spending is within 2% of all time high (directionally accurate)
  • Navy is near it’s smallest and will get lots of new ships (directionally accurate)
  • Would have to study the other points. Is this an actual raise while others were COLA adjustments?
    What I consistently see with trump is hyperbole in his speeches. He takes something that is legit (good or bad), then adds a bit more spin that exaggerates it a bit.
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No, it’s not just exaggeration. It’s taking a fact and turning it into a lie.
The Navy plans to add 72 new ships = fact.
The Navy plans to add hundreds of new ships = lie.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I’m not buying it. He lies.
 
Yep. Ask most people about Lizzy Borden and they believe she killed her parents.

Few realize she was tried and found not guilty.

The Lizzy Borden premise is SOP for this administration.
 
Lots of agents also lost commissions which were typically about the amounts of the premiums before ACA. Theoretically this should have lowered the premiums even more.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Most of Trumps embellishments are not issues that are going to effect the lives or paychecks ofvAmericans
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So, as long as your children “embellish” and it doesn’t impact your finances, you would give them a pass on truthfulness? Interesting…no…disturbing.
 
PaulinVA said:
These are aspirational facts.
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Ahh, a different category than alternative facts!
dvdjs said:
Such ans when he says this is is the biggest, the first, the only when it is not. That would be the kind of lie sometimes known as a whopper.
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But, but…the inauguration crowds!!!
HCTC said:
No, I don’t know what “they” say about opinions.
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They are like belly buttons ? Everyone has one, some are innie, and some are outie…
 
You are soundig rather desparate in an attempt to support your point.
Clearly those who oppose Trump are hyper focused on every word he utters yet choose to ignore the good things he has and is doing for our country.
Wheras,those of us who support him don’t get our panties in a twist over most of what he says,rather we for us on his successes’
 
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In 5 years, after all the petty squabbling over Trump’s “factual errors” has been long forgotten, the only people that will remember anything about this speech are the 1,000+ graduating Midshipmen who will remember that Donald Trump made it a point to stay and shake the hand of every single one of them.
 
Jeanne_S said:
You are soundig rather desparate in an attempt to support your point.
Clearly those who oppose Trump are hyper focused on every word he utters yet choose to ignore the good things he has and is doing for our country.
Wheras,those of us who support him don’t get our panties in a twist over most of what he says,rather we for us on his successes’
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So, as much as i appreciate the pivot to defend your hapless hero, you avoided the issue i raised…would you, or would you not give your children a pass on a string of lying just because the falsehoods dont impact your pocketbook?
 
dvdjs said:
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HarryStotle:
You really ought to apologize for being disingenuous
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If you wanna parse, let’s parse.

If @Jeanne_S’s statement does mean that she is less interested in Trump telling the truth than something else that you describe as “[his trying] to the do the right thing”. But that situation does not exclude her being uninterested - a simple Venn diagram would make this clear to you. And judging from the totality of her remarks, which reveal no issue with Trump’s lying, a reasonable person could easily conclude that she is largely and perhaps totality uninterested in Trump’s lying.
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The totality of her remarks don’t suggest she has NO issue with Trump’s words. She has stated pretty clearly that actions convey far more significance than words do, which was her point, from what I read of her posts.

Words just do not have the same consequences as actions do unless, of course, some unbalanced person(s) are prompted to act in some untoward way because they have lost all sense of proportionality.
Your post against @Lou2U is off base.
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No more “off base” than many of the other posts in this thread.
 
Road-Worrier said:
the only people that will remember anything about this speech are the 1,000+ graduating Midshipmen who will remember that Donald Trump made it a point to stay and shake the hand of every single one of them.
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…and wishing they had brought something along to wipe their hands off.
 
Hereiam said:
So, as much as i appreciate the pivot to defend your hapless hero, you avoided the issue i raised…would you, or would you not give your children a pass on a string of lying just because the falsehoods dont impact your pocketbook?
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You ignore context.

If my kid was trying to fire up the junior league team before a match, I’d recognize the hyperbole and admonish the kid to figure out how to give pep talks closer to the facts,yet still be a pep talk.
 
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