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PetraG said:
(Has Mr. Trump never donated his time to anything? Has he never helped anyone with his own two hands?)
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Trump once stopped a mugging in progress. He also dropped everything to try to make his country great again.
 
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Arkansan said:
Trump once stopped a mugging in progress. He also dropped everything to try to make his country great again.
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The mugging story is uncorroborated, but isn’t volunteering at any rate.
In spite of euphemisms to the contrary, I didn’t count it as “volunteerism” when Obama or Clinton won the Oval Office, and so I also don’t count it as “volunteerism” when the current President took office. He wanted to run things, he convinced some people they’d like how he runs things, but it is not service in the sense of a thousand points of light. Telling other people what to do is not what I mean and it wasn’t what George Bush was referring to, either. (He was not telling people to run for office, LOL!)
 
PetraG said:
That is just the thing. I know a great many people who are enthusiastic about him compared to the alternative . They are squarely in the camp of: “when I think of what the other candidate would be ‘accomplishing’ as President, I’m willing to forgive a lot.”
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I blame the GOP primary voters for giving us Trump, because they did have a choice in the primaries and they picked him.

The way Trump’s base behaved at the GOP convention was atrocious. They got the man they wanted and they can’t now try to shift the blame on Hillary in order to give Trump a pass. It’s good to see Mueller lock them them up.
 
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I suppose the left-wing New York Daily News just made the story up so that Trump supporters could cite it 25 years later.

When you do a job without getting paid for it, that’s volunteering.

Who cares what George Bush thought?
 
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Arkansan said:
Who cares what George Bush thought?
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Well, if Trump doesn’t care, why did he bring it up?
CD45 said:
Well, allow me to be the first one to suggest that we start passing the values of the current President down to future generations by memorizing his observations about how he views the world. I think all who voted for him will feel how great it will be to pass along Trump’s truth, wisdom and great humility to our kids and grandkids. Plus his views on women, the free press, our laws and institutions, and those few Americans he disagrees with
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As tempted as I am to make a list of all the things Donald Trump has said that, in my opinion, should never ever be uttered again by anyone, let’s just stick with this one.

What did he mean by "And by the way, you know all the rhetoric you see, the Thousand Points of Light. What the hell was that by the way? Thousands Points of Light. What did that mean? Does anyone know?

I know one thing: Make America great again, we understand. Putting America first, we understand. Thousand Points of Light, I never quite got that one. What the hell is that? Has anyone ever figured that one out?"

A) What was his point in saying that?
B) Do you yourself not understand what George Bush meant by that?
C) How is volunteering incompatible in any way whatsoever with Making America Great?

If you agree with Mr. Trump, explain why it is correct to say “I never quite got that one. What the hell is that?” Just explain why that is something school children would ever be asked to memorize as words to live by.
 
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We’ll have future generations be the judge of that when they see the interest payments on our mounting debt.
 
CD45 said:
Can you imagine if Obama had bragged about grabbing women’s genitalia?
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I don’t think his First Lady would have let him live to see another day, to be frank, and I think he would bet that way, too. The religious right would not have gotten their chance at him.

As for the President, he reached his 100% name recognition while openly talking in outrageous ways and keeping company with Howard Stern. This greatly reduces the shock value of things he says now.
 
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What I see is TDS in late stage, that you are so offended he’s bragging about his campaigning being superior.

FYI, his MAGA tag line was head and shoulders above what his predecessors used to campaign.
And it matters, since you need to get voters engaged to get out the vote.
There was no “1,000 point of light”, campaign swag (yawn),
certainly their campaigns were nothing that dems ever felt threatened by.

I’ll contrast this with Obama, to prove my point.
Obama had the slogan “Yes We Can”.
It was an excellent slogan, that people really did identify with and get behind.
It was also belittled by the right, a strong indicator they too thought it was good.
 
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CD45 said:
I am talking about his crude remarks about 1,000 points of light , which was Bush the first program on volunteering and giving back , which Trump would know nothing about because he has never done either. The Democrats should use MAGA in 2020 to highlight both the damage Don the Con has done to the country and the fact that America was doing pretty much okay before Orange 🍊 Baby 👶 came down the escalator. Speaking of Orange Baby, can’t wait to see that big baby balloon of Trumpy in a diaper flying over London when he visits. Ever since Shakespeare, those Brits know how to please an audience.
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Not that I want to see the Democrats elected, but no one, Democrat or Republican, is going to “out negative” Donald Trump. Anyone who wants to beat him in the public square would do much better to talk about Trump using Marc Antony’s tactic:

“…For Brutus is an honorable man;
So are they all, all honorable men.
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me;
But Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man…
…When the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept;
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honorable man…” (Julius Caesar, III, ii)

There is about zero chance they’ll do that. There is a slightly higher chance that his Republican primary opponents will do it (and I think he will have some).

On that account, if the economy is tanking, Trump will be turned out of office, whether it is his fault or not.
If not, he’ll probably out-negative his opponents and win a second term.
(I cannot imagine, though, that he’s going to get buyers on wild proposals like “we’re going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it” LOL. He will have three and a half years of reality to answer for…)

Make of it what you will, but this is what I expect. Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the first place because she campaigned so that she was seen in an even more negative light by the all-critical undecided voters than he was.
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FYI, his MAGA tag line was head and shoulders above what his predecessors used to campaign.
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That is not the point. The point is that he had no reason to bring up the 1000 Points of Light slogan at all.

Do you think he chose to denigrate it because he felt it was a weak slogan? OK, but he wasn’t running against George HW Bush. He was trying to stir up a crowd of Republicans to vote for a GOP Senate candidate, and there are a LOT of Republicans who believe very strongly in private hands-on charity and that it is private charity that makes America great. There are a LOT of Republicans who are quite fond of George Bush and even more fond of the First Lady he just lost.

Can you explain what he was thinking? I just can’t imagine why he’d say that, unless he just does not get how important volunteerism is. He seems to think it is for losers. That would be very unfortunate. Actually, I’d even say pathetic. It makes you want to feel sorry for him. What is with that?
 
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The tag line was a variation of Pat Buchanan’s message I believe when he was running his Reform Party campaign. I think most of Trump’s ideas were either borrowed or stolen from others. Even birtherism had roots outside of Trump but he managed to form a substantial base with it.

P.S. I actually voted for Pat Buchanan and the strange thing was that he got enough votes in that one Miami district to raise suspicion on the 2000 election.
 
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I saw where you tried to put me in a “special place”… just saying…
 
I can’t read all of these answers, but will just say he is impulsive.
 
Seems to me that if I work to earn money, and then give some of that money away, I have worked for zero pay during that time.

If I were a doctor, I would figure that volunteering at a clinic for the poor as a doctor would be more valuable than ladling soup in a soup kitchen.

Maybe as a financial wheeler dealer, Trump can do more by giving away some money than by ladling soup?

I have read about other things which Trump has done for people aside from those mentioned by Snopes.

There is a video by one of his employees, an African-American, and how he and his family helped her when she was abusing alcohol. You may say, fine, he helped an employee, but there are other stories of his helping complete strangers. This woman’s video is particularly moving.
 
Trump is not really a poetic guy. The fact that the 1000 points of light did not move him is not really worth all the angst you are putting into it. I don’t think he was referring to volunteerism but the slogan.
 
PetraG said:
Make of it what you will, but this is what I expect. Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the first place because she campaigned so that she was seen in an even more negative light by the all-critical undecided voters than he was.
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This is now THREE false narratives you have perpetuated on this topic in order to malign HRC and excuse Trump & his supporters - two in this comment alone. Let me repeat the truth so as to set the record straight.

First, earlier you were wrong to say that voters had no choice in the last election. Republican primary voters had the choice of several competent, conservative, and conscientious candidates with good character to choose from, and they rejected them all in favor of Trump. That makes them entirely responsible for the damage he is doing to this nation’s democratic principles and moral standing in the world.

Second, in this comment you make the false claim that Clinton presented herself in a negative light, when in fact Clinton and her campaign had to contend with an unprecedented and concerted attack by a foreign adversary to undermine her character and legitimacy as a candidate. It is an established fact that in the 2016 election, Russia used the full force of it’s propaganda capacity and cyber crimes to hurt her campaign and help Donald Trump, including using stolen data on US citizens in order produce targeted ads & news feeds.

Third, undecided voters in 2016 did not view Clinton more negatively than Donald Trump. Despite the unprecedented negative campaign against her by the Russians, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a healthy 2.1% margin or nearly 3 million votes. Trump was only able to squeak out an electoral victory by razor thin margins in 3 swing states that total to about 107,000 votes.

I was not a Clinton supporter, but these false narratives need to STOP. I encourage anyone who cares about the truth to be vigilant about correcting them whenever someone casually slides them into an otherwise innocuous comment, because that’s how the truth gets poisoned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...probe-agrees-that-putin-meddled-to-help-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/swing-state-margins/?noredirect=on

 
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