So... who are the true bishops?

[Vico]

Thanks for putting upthe details but my point is that the seat of the see can be moved as has happened with Malacca. So, why can’t patriarchal seats be moved, as it is essentially an eparchy. Take the Armenians for example, the see of Etchmiadzin was not an aposltolic seat and only emerged in the 4th century (probably). So, it obviously moved from where Thaddeus established it. There is therefore a precedent.

Since the residential cities have changed, I’m not sure what you are asking. The Catholic Patriarchial Sees are overlapping territories with jurisdiction over members of their Church and those in their care from others. The Patriarch has jurisdiction over is own proper eparchy and in other areas within the traditional See area that do not have a eparchy established for the Church sui iuris.

 

[jimkhong]

Since the residential cities have changed, I’m not sure what you are asking. The Catholic Patriarchial Sees are overlapping territories with jurisdiction over members of their Church and those in their care from others. The Patriarch has jurisdiction over is own proper eparchy and in other areas within the traditional See area that do not have a eparchy established for the Church sui iuris.

The question is why not the Patriarch of Baghdad instead of Babylon, Patriarch of Beirut instead of Antioch, etc?

 

[Vico]

The question is why not the Patriarch of Baghdad instead of Babylon, Patriarch of Beirut instead of Antioch, etc?

Rome has not chosen to abandon the ancient names. Patriarchate is the word meaning a patriarch’s office, see, reign, or, most commonly, the territory he governs.

 

[Josephene]

catholicworldreport.com/ - good article on the moral sequelae of the Hirsohima incident - ’ I can do what I want to do .’ mentality and its effects in lives all around !

Tomorrow Aug 7th , the request via priavte Church approved revelation , to be a day of special reverence for The Father -

spiritdaily.com/A82GodtheFather.htm

Good to read how the Catholic Church , as mentioned in the article, is attentive to the Spirit that operates through the people too !

Wonder if such a deeper aspect of honor given to The Father would have results far beyond what we might foresee …by freeing the enemy claims over rmany lives , by the deeper relationship to The Father , since lack of same may be a factor in many in our times turning to overt worship of evil ;

any sin against life - would it be likley that the enemy could have a claim on not just the involved parents / family but the child as well , since such sins are in accordance with the will and plan of the enemy .

Parental actions for live children which brings enemy claims leave the children , in desperate circumstances , as mentioned by those in exorcism ; is it far fetched to see that such a sitaution might last even beyond death, for all involved, unless brought to delivearnce !.

Similarly , for those killed in wars , the many Native Americans who died , in events such as the Trail of Tears ( with its connection to Okalahoma city ) …and if the enemy has any claims on the departed , how it could also indrecty afflict the living , which, in turm , in truth and justice requiring reparation , from all involved , which is also the Fatima theme .

Offering up the pains and heartaches of daily life , in union with that of The Lord, trusting that He would use same , in union of that The Mother , to obtain deliverance - may that be as powerful as the 5loaves and the two fish , to ward off the 5000+++ claims that might be out there -

the living word having its many meanings to feed our varying needs , may be that incident too, could it not be that the 5loaves are to also indicate the Pentarchy , with the 2 fish - well, Lord had curiosuly mentioned how no earthly father would give snakes instead of fish …

( thus , should even the symbolic presence of snakes give one pause, as to the past ! )

would the 2 fish aslo to hint at The Spirit and Mother Church , a theme that was the focus of Fatima and unity !

The requested one Our Father , Hail Mary and Glory be , in union with the intentions of the Holy Father ( at the end of every Rosary - where one gets to invoke the Mother,
as ’ filled with grace ’ , into many lives ) and inturn , to be also blessed with 'indulgence ’ /deliverance from enemy claims - a good way to also honor The Father , by honoring His gifts for us all !

May The Father have mercy on us all , living and deceased and deliver us all from all evil !

Peace !

 

[Josephene]

If this too may be added - Sister Ravasio to whom was made the revelations and request for the Feast to honor of The Father , is also said to be the one who started large leprosy hospitals and clinics in the West Coast of Africa .

One article mentioned of ’ bush meat ’ , such as from elephants , in connection to the Ebola virus , which is said to have special affinity to connective tissue ;

the elephant connection is conceievable , since they are rich in conective tissue ;
interestingly, in the Book of Maccabees , there is mention of the Indian Mulberry juice, better known in the West , as Noni juice , given to elephants , to strenghten them ;

hope that could be an aid , in cases of Ebola , that would not be overlooked and if beneficial, could be a good crop for those lands ;

there are also reports of how juice from papaya leaves has helped with Dengue fever victims ; papayas said to have been brought to India , by the missionaries / traders ;

someone , somewhere praying for me / posters here ( thank you all ! ) - was wondering how to connect the papaya theme , to a thread on Bishops / Father figures, without giving a headache to the moderators and there in a flash -
Papa , Ya !

 

[SyroMalankara]

Josephene,

You’ve totally lost me.

 

[Josephene]

Apologies if the posts convey things at the level of nonacademic standards ;
one intent ( along with the aim of sharing the joy, for the good we see around - thus the sited articles )
has been to also ponder as to any pressure that those in The East have , from having to consider certain things as ’ Orthodox ’ and the advice / suggestions /questions at that level that one comes across .

Thought it would be good to reciprocate , even from the little knowledege that some one like me has in such ; hence , most of such issues in the format of 'musings ’ /ponderings , with the hope that those led by the Lord, via the Holy Father has much to be at peace , in many such isuues .

An example would be the issue of infant communion ;

 good to read too that it is not a standard practice  across all the East ;

’ those who eat without discering the body …’ and how much discerning could infants have - glad that the keys that bind and loose say , it is o.k , posibly as an act of mercy , not to offend those to whom such a practice came to be - unsure under what circumstances !
( No intent to get into a lenghty debate on the issue .)

And may be one day , there would be enough wisdom and good will , all around, to only keep what need to be and not lose any that ought not to be !

Peace !

 

[SyroMalankara]

 

[jimkhong]

Can the moderators step in? We have been getting these odd posts in other threads as well from the same poster.

 

[Vico]

Apologies if the posts convey things at the level of nonacademic standards ;
one intent ( along with the aim of sharing the joy, for the good we see around - thus the sited articles )
has been to also ponder as to any pressure that those in The East have , from having to consider certain things as ’ Orthodox ’ and the advice / suggestions /questions at that level that one comes across .

Thought it would be good to reciprocate , even from the little knowledege that some one like me has in such ; hence , most of such issues in the format of 'musings ’ /ponderings , with the hope that those led by the Lord, via the Holy Father has much to be at peace , in many such isuues .

An example would be the issue of infant communion ;

 good to read too that it is not a standard practice  across all the East ;

’ those who eat without discering the body …’ and how much discerning could infants have - glad that the keys that bind and loose say , it is o.k , posibly as an act of mercy , not to offend those to whom such a practice came to be - unsure under what circumstances !
( No intent to get into a lenghty debate on the issue .)

And may be one day , there would be enough wisdom and good will , all around, to only keep what need to be and not lose any that ought not to be !

Peace !

Infants are not capable of committing the sins that Paul said require such discerning.

 

[Josephene]

Infants are not capable of committing the sins that Paul said require such discerning.

Thank you for the effort to clarify ; glad also for this occasion , to able be express gratitude for the wisdom and balanced perspective in your posts !

God bless !

 

[Josephene]

Thank you for the effort to clarify ; glad also for this occasion , to able be express gratitude for the wisdom and balanced perspective in your posts !

God bless !

Had not realised that , the above was such a jumbled up sentence ( unintentionally ofcourse ) - like a dog eaten sentence !

Well , hope that is o. k ( with apologies to the intended ) , since , it brings a good occasion to wish all , a very blesssed

( belated somewhat ) Feast of St.Dominick !

 

[Josephene]

Has been rather surprised at the resurgence of the focus and controversy regarding the Consecration of Russia as per the Fatima request ; with all that is going on , may be that , in itself is not a bad thing , esp. if it leads more persons to be thus more fervent to the message that is contained therein .

spiritdaily.com/amorthfatima.htm

Could it be that the answer is , both yes and no , a yes , as far as the Holy Father and those who worked with him and may be not so yes for others ( as in the case of the topic on the age of the universe , that is said to be both young and old ) -

aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

'All things work well for those who love God ’ and would it be that something similar
has happened in the matter of the 1984 Consecration as well , in that St.John Paul 11 and many other like minded had wanted it done as requested , yet , respecting the role of the other Bishops ,a point that was emphasised in the message , adopted the format and wording in which it was done ; his fidelity and efforts thus pleasing enough to The Lord and bl.Mother , that the faithful can be grateful enough, while not being complacent .

What seems significant is how the HolyFather did not single handedly override the role of the fellow Bishops , a point of fidelity that may be can still help to bring out his message of ’ Be not afraid ’ - on how delicatly that area is handled .

The events in the above also help to shed light on the more palpable role of The Mother , as The Queen of Peace , that has been more evident , starting around the time of the Consecration and the close relationship that many have pointed out, in these events - may be even a gift of consolation not just to The Church but also the Holy Father , for any anguish he would have carried , if there has been the issue of things having been not done with better involvement of more hearts in the matter .

The Hail Mary’s recited in union with the Holy Father and with the children of The Mother world over , thus to bring forth blessings ( undo curses ) , help to foster faith - seems reasons why Rosary remains a favored prayer, often asked for by The Mother ;

Elisabeth and possibly even John The Baptist , inspired   by the Holy Spirit , utters the  words of

blessing - ’ Blessed art thou who believed ’ - thus to help counter the relentless attacks of the enemy againt faith , trying to replace same with fear and hatred ;

In the mighty Name of our Lord Jesus , may the intercession of our Mother and her blessings , pour in the Spirit of The Father Love , into hearts all over , with the two edged sword of The Spirit severing all that is not of The Lord Jesus , from all our hearts !

indebted to book ’ Freedom through Deliverance’ -

spiritdaily.com/Freedom1.htm

P.S - my own 'expertise ’ in the topics at hand is very limited , other than from what is read at random ; above are just in the category of musings and thus hope to be spared from need for deeper clarifications .

Peace !

 

[Josephene]

In this season of family gatherings and focus on gratitude, there are happenings for those in The East to be grateful about too, including the recent Canonisations of two from the SyroMalabar Church -

St.Kurikose Elias and St.Euphrasia - the former very much also connected to life
of St.Alphonsa of The Immaculate Conception , who has been the only canonised saint
of SMCC so far ; interesting too how both of the recently canonised had roles in the cause of Church unity - former credited for his efforts in preventing divisions related to efforts by persons for unauthorised intrusions and St.Euphrasia for her devoted prayer life , including for cause of Church unity .

Details and life history etc .are on line in several articles ; purity in lives and hearts seem to have been a theme that also connect these saints and thus , we see how God is raising up these persons , in these challenging aspects for our times .

spiritdaily.com/Limanova2.htm - came across this related narrative about a
Church approved apparition in Slovakia, from the 90s , under the Greek Catholic hierarchy , where Bo.Mother uses similar terms for invoking her , as ’ Untainted Purity ’ .

May Her powerful presence and love help to cleanse and heal hearts and memories , moment by moment in many a personal life too , so that the yearing of those , esp. of the Two Brothers , in The Lord , as they meet again , to see healings at all levels , also be fulfilled !

Mother of Untainted Purity , pray for us all !

 

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