Socialism makes people worse

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Marilena:
yup, i do. people we know very well in berlin as a matter of fact.
Not just them, but there was alot of dissatisfaction over the loss of jobs in the east. the harder times for people to live and cope outside
their former socialist life. my husbands mother is a prime example of
a person who wants the wall back up and permanent. my husband has alot friends who preferred the old way of life as opposed to the way it is now. these are hard working people who earn a good living.
they preferred the way it was. simply ask my husband if you refuse to believe me. he is a member here. look for Frank Fenn. pm and ask him. he lived there during the wall, and long after it came down.
ask him.
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This is mainly because of the poor way reunification was handled by the German federal government. It has to do with high unemployment rates which occured because the middle class of east Germany left BECAUSE of the USSR. I can sympathize with them, but just because they had better standards of living under the USSR doesn’t mean that they won’t have in the future now. I’d also love to see the proof that more people in east Germany prefer the old system, and just don’t want their new system fixed. There are many reasons that east Germany is in poor shape now, but that does not mean that socialism is better.

I also think Germany has made some really poor decisions in going with the Euro instead of the Deutschmark but thats my opinion. I think that has some reason to do with the loss of jobs in east Germany.
 
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Marilena:
And by the way friend, I do have a job. My husband also tells me that Catholics and Lutherans went to church weekly. They were not told they could not go.
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Good for you on the job and on being able to go to church. My advice, work to re-create the old system or learn to excell in the new system.
 
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Marilena:
March 26, 2005
Germans Want Berlin Wall Back?
By rob on March 26, 2005 at 2:03 PM
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This is surprising.
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BERLIN (Reuters) - Nearly a quarter of western Germans and 12 percent of easterners want the Berlin Wall back -- more than 15 years after the fall of the barrier that split Germany during the Cold War, according to a new survey.

The results of the poll, published Saturday, reflected die-hard animosities over high reunification costs lowering western standards of living and economic turmoil in the east.

The survey of 2,000 Germans by Berlin's Free University and pollsters Forsa found 24 percent of those living in western Germany want the Wall back -- double the eastern level.

In Berlin itself, 11 percent of westerners and 8 percent of easterners said "yes" when asked: "Would it be better if the Wall between East and West were still standing?."
Things have been hard for Germans in recent years. Economic shortcomings and high unemployment rates have made life difficult for many of the people there, but I’m rather shocked that anyone in Germany, especially the East Germans, would want a return to the days of the Berlin Wall.

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From where I sit, this reads like it’s time german citizens hold their elected leaders accountable and vote to change things a bit. I’m not suggesting you vote back in the old regime. However, freedom does require the exercise of your rights to make legal change within the system you now live under.
 
People who want the wall back up, or people who miss their socialist governments are those who miss having the handouts.

They are like the 30 years olds who prefer to live in their parents basements rather than get off their butts and actually work hard to better themselves.

I am sorry, but when there is no motivation for improving oneself, and then suddenly the safety net of the government is taken away and one actually has to work to survive, I can see where SOME people might miss the old way, but most people, do not desire to feed off the teat of the government.
 
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Marilena:
I lived in East Berlin for 7 and a half months, met alot of East Germans there. The wall was built inside the DDR if you remember correctly. The west Berliners were built around. Not the other way around.
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That’s what I said. The wall was built to keep citizens of the DDR from getting out.

If life in the DDR was all that wonderful, why would they need to fence their people in?
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Marilena:
My husband is the one to answer the pollution question. I raised the point because it was good that they had to wait 12 years for a car because the world is over polluted. imagine if we all had to wait 12 years for a car? Less environmental pollution in the world! By the way, older east Germans travelled
freely to the West. My husbands grandpa and his great grandma travelled there often when the wall was up.
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Do you have a car? If so, how do you justify having it?
 
vern humphrey:
That’s what I said. The wall was built to keep citizens of the DDR from getting out.

If life in the DDR was all that wonderful, why would they need to fence their people in?

Do you have a car? If so, how do you justify having it?
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No, as a matter of fact we do not have a car. Thank you for asking.
 
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gelsbern:
People who want the wall back up, or people who miss their socialist governments are those who miss having the handouts.

They are like the 30 years olds who prefer to live in their parents basements rather than get off their butts and actually work hard to better themselves.

I am sorry, but when there is no motivation for improving oneself, and then suddenly the safety net of the government is taken away and one actually has to work to survive, I can see where SOME people might miss the old way, but most people, do not desire to feed off the teat of the government.
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Then effectively, your saying that the people we know, as well as
Frank’s mother ( who are all hard working people, and never asked for a hand out in their entire lives and never will ) are only wanting the system back for handouts? never been the case my friend.
Frank wanted the wall to come down, but he also told me he had a very simple good life in the DDR. I don’t think it has anything to
do with living off the government. or waiting for a handout. Tell me, have you ever been in the DDR? Ever lived there? Unless you have, can you really comment fairly? I did live in east Germany
for awhile, I’ve heard both sides of the story. It has nothing to do
with living off the government or waiting for a hand out. Have you seen what I’ve seen? Massive unemployment, promises not being
kept when reunification happened. Iam not advocating socialism.
Iam only stating facts that I know about. Unless you have truly
gotten to know the dynamics of the reunification, and what happened as well as the lives of the east German people and
what they went through, can we actually speak fairly about it?
No. Iam only stating what I have observed, and what I have been
told by friends, and family alike. None of them are freeloaders.
Not one of them. They felt that their former system was far more
stable that it is now, 15 some odd years after reunification.
 
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Marilena:
No, as a matter of fact we do not have a car. Thank you for asking.
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Do you use electricity? Do you buy food and goods brought to the store by truck?
 
vern humphrey:
Do you use electricity? Do you buy food and goods brought to the store by truck?
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Nope… we go buy our food and walk home with it. Vern, your questions are valid, but I feel like your trying to attack me for using electricity, ext. I want it to stop. Please. Iam not saying people shouldn’t use cars ext, only that we would have not so m uch problems with global warming
and pollution if we were made to wait awhile. If your trying to nit pick, Iam not going to bite. Sorry.
 
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Marilena:
Nope… we go buy our food and walk home with it. Vern, your questions are valid, but I feel like your trying to attack me for using electricity, ext. I want it to stop. Please. Iam not saying people shouldn’t use cars ext, only that we would have not so m uch problems with global warming
and pollution if we were made to wait awhile. If your trying to nit pick, Iam not going to bite. Sorry.
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What I don’t understand is why people who extol communism choose to live here and not there.
 
vern humphrey:
What I don’t understand is why people who extol communism choose to live here and not there.
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Iam only going to say this once, and please listen carefully. Iam NOT extoling socialism or communism.
I was only speaking through experience with friends
and family and others we know that mourn the loss of
their stability. that does NOT mean Iam extolling ANYTHING. Iam canadian NOT GERMAN. My husband
IS German. NOT I. Stop with the nit picking already!
 
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Marilena:
Iam only going to say this once, and please listen carefully. Iam NOT extoling socialism or communism.
I was only speaking through experience with friends
and family and others we know that mourn the loss of
their stability. that does NOT mean Iam extolling ANYTHING. Iam canadian NOT GERMAN. My husband
IS German. NOT I. Stop with the nit picking already!
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Some years ago, “Penthouse Magazine” published a pornographic story called Miss Wyoming. It was clearly written about the then-reigning Miss Wyoming, and she sued. “Penthouse Magazine” lost.

Bob Gucconi, the publisher of “Penthouse Magazine” complained it was unfair. He said at one point during the trial, Miss Wyoming’s lawyer (the redoubtable Gerry Spence) pointed to him and said, “There he sits in his brown velvet pants.”

When asked about the remark, Spence replied, "If you wear brown velvet pants in Wyoming, you’ve got to expect people to notice it."http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
 
vern humphrey:
Some years ago, “Penthouse Magazine” published a pornographic story called Miss Wyoming. It was clearly written about the then-reigning Miss Wyoming, and she sued. “Penthouse Magazine” lost.

Bob Gucconi, the publisher of “Penthouse Magazine” complained it was unfair. He said at one point during the trial, Miss Wyoming’s lawyer (the redoubtable Gerry Spence) pointed to him and said, “There he sits in his brown velvet pants.”

When asked about the remark, Spence replied, "If you wear brown velvet pants in Wyoming, you’ve got to expect people to notice it."http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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what the heck does that have to do with my post? Iam not going to bother replying to your posts, I see it as nit picking. I also agree with one other poster here, that it seems like the cold war is still on. good grief!
 
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