Sola Scriptura is Absolutely biblical

[RobHom]

Amen to that! Who can argue with what the Scriptures plainly say? I’ll tell you who; the Roman Catholic church. Let em’ argue, that’s because their doctrines and dogma many times contradict the Holy Word of God. They argue against what you said very hard because deep down in their heart of hearts, they know that what you said is correct and it’s the truth.

Geee, your partner criticizes the use of “emotion”, and you pop up with this very “emotional invective” claiming much that you cannot and have not ever proven. Its almost as if you pridefully and arrogantly place yourself on a higher plane than anyone…

Show one proof, just ONE, that the Catholic Church’s doctrines and dogmas contradict the Holy Word of God.

It must be ironclad based of fact, verifiable fact, and contain not a wit of your opinion. Otherwise…well, you know.

 

[SIA]

Geee, your partner criticizes the use of “emotion”, and you pop up with this very “emotional invective” claiming much that you cannot and have not ever proven. Its almost as if you pridefully and arrogantly place yourself on a higher plane than anyone…

Show one proof, just ONE, that the Catholic Church’s doctrines and dogmas contradict the Holy Word of God.

It must be ironclad based of fact, verifiable fact, and contain not a wit of your opinion. Otherwise…well, you know.

Ah, how did I know that you would be on your way soon, bat in hand?

 

[Lief_Erikson]

You must have missed my last post. I said that Scripture comes first in a line of authority in our church but does not stand alone.

If they are second to Scripture, does that mean they had the possibility of error? They could make mistakes?

 

[cfrancis]

You must have missed my last post. I said that Scripture comes first in a line of authority in our church but does not stand alone.

I saw that, and it still raises an issue. In the case of the canon, as there is nothing in Scripture about it, the extra-Biblical authority is at least equal to Scripture. Which again brings into question the idea of sola scriptura.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

I’m not attacking him. I really like him personally. He’s not a neophyte, though, having seen this before. I think he would make a good Catholic once he joins with his other half, TIA.

'kay .

 

[SIA]

I saw that, and it still raises an issue. In the case of the canon, as there is nothing in Scripture about it, the extra-Biblical authority is at least equal to Scripture. Which again brings into question the idea of sola scriptura.

I see the point you are attempting to make here and you do make a valid point regarding that sola scriptura is not correct and I agree with you. The meat and potatoes here is really that the Early Church fathers that were finally able to discern Scripture from the Holy Spirit were merely tools in putting together the texts of the authority that already existed.

 

[RobHom]

Ah, how did I know that you would be on your way soon, bat in hand?

I have no bat in my hand… Just questions.

As “Clara” in the Wendy’s commercials always used to ask: Where’s the BEEF?

Still waiting for the “incontrovertible and undeniable proof”. Where’s the BEEF?

 

[cfrancis]

I see the point you are attempting to make here and you do make a valid point regarding that sola scriptura is not correct and I agree with you. The meat and potatoes here is really that the Early Church fathers that were finally able to discern Scripture from the Holy Spirit were merely tools in putting together the texts of the authority that already existed.

I agree the Holy Spirit help the ECF discern which writings, from all the contenders, were Scripture.
Yet, if they were only tools, and carried no authority, then there is no reason to take their word for it.
But we see their decision re: the canon is authoritative; there is no evidence the whole of Christianity said, “Yeah, that’s a nice opinion, but I need to see the contenders and have the Holy Spirit guide me to the correct canon.”
In the case of the canon, the decision of an extra-Biblical source was authoritative.

 

[dawid]

If you guys have a so called sacred tradition that comes from Christ or his apostles that you can go to church on Saturday or Sunday, I would like to see the proof.
You were the one who brought up some kind of tradition that stated that.

Tradition is that the Sabbath starts from sunset and ends the following sunset.
The former being on Saturday and the latter on Sunday.
As do the Jews attend Schule on Friday and their Sabbath carries on to Saturday.

 

[SIA]

I agree the Holy Spirit help the ECF discern which writings, from all the contenders, were Scripture.
Yet, if they were only tools, and carried no authority, then there is no reason to take their word for it.
But we see their decision re: the canon is authoritative; there is no evidence the whole of Christianity said, “Yeah, that’s a nice opinion, but I need to see the contenders and have the Holy Spirit guide me to the correct canon.”
In the case of the canon, the decision of an extra-Biblical source was authoritative.

We agree then. I do believe that Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit is authoritative. Not all Protestants are alike are they? Precisely my point that we should take the term Protestantism and throw it out the window. But remember, it is the action of Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit that is authoritative, not those given the ability to reason for the reason that is truly obvious. The Holy Spirit can discern to anyone. God is without limits.

 

[guanophore]

We agree then. I do believe that Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit is authoritative. Not all Protestants are alike are they? Precisely my point that we should take the term Protestantism and throw it out the window. But remember, it is the action of Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit that is authoritative, not those given the ability to reason for the reason that is truly obvious. The Holy Spirit can discern to anyone. God is without limits.

This is true, and He set it up not individually, but communally. He could have chosen just one Apostle, but He did not. He prayed for their unity, and they made decisions as a unity. This is what prevents “individual” reasoning from departing from the Teachings.

In this statement:

" it is the action of Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit that is authoritative"

You are saying that you are the final authority, because you are the one who is discerning what the HS is saying.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

We agree then. I do believe that Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit is authoritative. Not all Protestants are alike are they? Precisely my point that we should take the term Protestantism and throw it out the window. But remember, it is the action of Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit that is authoritative, not those given the ability to reason for the reason that is truly obvious. The Holy Spirit can discern to anyone. God is without limits.

The Ethiopian church rejects the canonicity of the Book of Revelation. They also used reason and the Spirit (or felt they did). So they’re authoritative, right?

 

[SIA]

The Ethiopian church rejects the canonicity of the Book of Revelation. They also used reason and the Spirit (or felt they did). So they’re authoritative, right?

And it is they who believe that, not you or I.

 

[SIA]

This is true, and He set it up not individually, but communally. He could have chosen just one Apostle, but He did not. He prayed for their unity, and they made decisions as a unity. This is what prevents “individual” reasoning from departing from the Teachings.

In this statement:

" it is the action of Reasoning with the discernment of the Holy Spirit that is authoritative"

You are saying that you are the final authority, because you are the one who is discerning what the HS is saying.

Reasoning is the authority, not one individual, not one council. The act of being able to reason given the discernment of the HS.

 

[guanophore]

Reasoning is the authority, not one individual, not one council. The act of being able to reason given the discernment of the HS.

Wow. Human centered authority. Are we not back where we began?

By the way, where is this in your bible? Can you show where you reason is superior to the revelation of God as a source of knowledge?

Isa 55:9
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

By what arrogance can you believe that your “reason” is able to comprehend the truths about God?

 

[RobHom]

I have no bat in my hand… Just questions.

As “Clara” in the Wendy’s commercials always used to ask: Where’s the BEEF?

Still waiting for the “incontrovertible and undeniable proof”. Where’s the BEEF?

WHERE’S THE BEEF???

Still waiting SIA…or are you just unable to back your claims and provide “proof”…

You do, of course, realize that not responding is tacitly an act of “surrendering” and “failure”, do you not?

 

[SIA]

Wow. Human centered authority. Are we not back where we began?

By the way, where is this in your bible? Can you show where you reason is superior to the revelation of God as a source of knowledge?

Isa 55:9
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

By what arrogance can you believe that your “reason” is able to comprehend the truths about God?

I never claimed that. I said that Reasoning by the discernment of the HS. Nobody has even an inkling of the wisdom of God. Not even you know everything RCs.

 

[SIA]

WHERE’S THE BEEF???

Still waiting SIA…or are you just unable to back your claims and provide “proof”…

You do, of course, realize that not responding is tacitly an act of “surrendering” and “failure”, do you not?

What are you yapping about? Proof of what?

 

[guanophore]

I never claimed that. I said that Reasoning by the discernment of the HS.

Well, the HS does not require reasoning or discernment, so that means the reasoning and discernment is yours.

That being the case, you are the final authority on whether you have heard the HS or not.

Nobody has even an inkling of the wisdom of God.

I am glad we can agree on this point. This being the case, what makes you think you can apprehend what He wants you to know through puny human wisdom??

Not even you know everything RCs.

No, I must confess, Roman Catholics are often a great mystery to me.

 

[RobHom]

What are you yapping about? Proof of what?

Go back and read it for yourself… stop trying to be deflectionary. Provide those proofs of your baseless allegations or admit that you were WRONG. Be a man about it.

Here SIA… I’m going to be a nice guy and be charitable and help you out…remember these two posts just a little bit ago?

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You=Amen to that! Who can argue with what the Scriptures plainly say? I’ll tell you who; the Roman Catholic church. Let em’ argue, that’s because their doctrines and dogma many times contradict the Holy Word of God. They argue against what you said very hard because deep down in their heart of hearts, they know that what you said is correct and it’s the truth.

Me=Geee, your partner criticizes the use of “emotion”, and you pop up with this very “emotional invective” claiming much that you cannot and have not ever proven. Its almost as if you pridefully and arrogantly place yourself on a higher plane than anyone…

Show one proof, just ONE, that the Catholic Church’s doctrines and dogmas contradict the Holy Word of God.

It must be ironclad based of fact, verifiable fact, and contain not a wit of your opinion. Otherwise…well, you know.

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Geee, your partner criticizes the use of “emotion”, and you pop up with this very “emotional invective” claiming much that you cannot and have not ever proven. Its almost as if you pridefully and arrogantly place yourself on a higher plane than anyone…

Show one proof, just ONE, that the Catholic Church’s doctrines and dogmas contradict the Holy Word of God.

It must be ironclad based of fact, verifiable fact, and contain not a wit of your opinion. Otherwise…well, you know.

You=Ah, how did I know that you would be on your way soon, bat in hand?*

There…that should help you.

Still waiting for the Beef!!