Sola Scriptura is True

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Dd I have to ask you this. Please understand I was messing with you all in fun at times to try to take away alot of the tension off the thread. If I hurt you please accept my humble apology. But I have a serious question now. If you were RC and in the Knights, why would you not have gone to Father, or you Brothers in the faith to help you. I mean surely the Knights would have helped you.

Now I have one serious question. What teaching that the RCC claimed to be dogma do you feel has changed over the years, and what was the largest reason for you leaving the faith? IF you are telling the truth this should be a very easy question for you. Especially being a knight and all as you claim.
DD< I have been a Knight for about 53 years and I have a very hard time believing you on this statment,PLEASE explain’’’’'I will not tell you anything about the Knights of Columbus because I swore to them I wouldn’t reveal anything and I will abide by my word…
I hate to say any one is not telling the truth but I think your nose is getting longer as we talk.
 
How do you know that Christ promised His Church the Holy Spirit? Don’t you interpret Scripture in the first place to accept the status or infallibilty of the Church?
During His time of earth, Jesus told the Apostles that He would send another, a Paraclete, Comforter, Advocate… Holy Spirit… to lead them into the Truth. He did not give this promise to everyone/anyone

1] In other words, there would be guidance by God, the Holy Spirit

2] In time, these words and much of the Tradition of the Church He founded took written form.

3] In more time, these letters, the Word of God, were distinguished from false letters, or questionable letters by the Church leaders of that same Church.

4] The result was the canon of Scripture which is a product of the Holy Spirit using human authors to give us the Bible.\

The Bible is the book of the Catholic Church. Many other faith communities would like one to believe that they are Bible Christians, because they revere the written Word alone. In fact, they are not. The Holy Spirit, God, is not a God of division and dissent. The product or fruit of these faith communities is so obviously one of division, we are left with only one fact…

That at the very least… all but one of them must be wrong.

By the way… if I were a betting man, I would bet that you do not understand infallibility AT ALL. If you do, you are welcome to reply to this with your understanding.

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DD< I have been a Knight for about 53 years and I have a very hard time believing you on this statment,PLEASE explain’’’’'I will not tell you anything about the Knights of Columbus because I swore to them I wouldn’t reveal anything and I will abide by my word…
I hate to say any one is not telling the truth but I think your nose is getting longer as we talk.
See Bill I also hate to accuse someone of something, but I must say I am having a very hard time believeing him also. My Dad was in the KOC. Now He did not become a knight until he moved to Florida after he retired. Now that was about 25 years ago. Now I could tell you what Church he belonged to. Now my Dad knows everything. I can honestly say that now. He went to be with God 2 years in March. Now I could prove that I am not telling you a lie.

I could give you the name of the CHurch, the Priest, etc. Because the Priest and many Men he served with are still alive. See what I mean. As I believe you because if I questioned you I am sure you could do the same. And I am sure if you are using anothers name he would be one here in a second revealing the truth. See what I am saying.

I could also give you many many storys about him and what he did in the Church. He was also very close to Father so I could tell you something only he and Father and I would know. I am sure you get my Point. BUt the truth is very very easy to prove. A lie well thats another story. You can never tell one lie. But you can tell one truth.
 
DD< I have been a Knight for about 53 years and I have a very hard time believing you on this statment,PLEASE explain’’’’'I will not tell you anything about the Knights of Columbus because I swore to them I wouldn’t reveal anything and I will abide by my word…
I hate to say any one is not telling the truth but I think your nose is getting longer as we talk.
Knights of Columbus
1st degree
Had the Rosary.
Went to meetings.
Had the insurance.
Did charity functions.
Seved in the RCIA as sponser.
Gambled…
Drank beer at church…etc.

Sorry you don’t believe me Bill. Don’t worry. I won’t break my word.
 
By the way… if I were a betting man, I would bet that you do not understand infallibility AT ALL. If you do, you are welcome to reply to this with your understanding.
Infallibility as claim by the Catholic Church is the inability to teach error on a matter of faith or morals.

It is exercised by the Pope when acting in his role as head of the Church defines a matter to believed by the faithful.

It is also exercised by the Magisterium, the college of bishops, in union with the Pope, usually by a declaration by an ecumenical council.

It does not ensure impeccability of bishops or Pope. It does not apply to a private opinion of the Pope not intended to be infallible.
 
Infallibility as claim by the Catholic Church is the inability to teach error on a matter of faith or morals.

It is exercised by the Pope when acting in his role as head of the Church defines a matter to believed by the faithful.

It is also exercised by the Magisterium, the college of bishops, in union with the Pope, usually by a declaration by an ecumenical council.

It does not ensure impeccability of bishops or Pope. It does not apply to a private opinion of the Pope not intended to be infallible.
And the basis for the claim?
 
Originally Posted by SyCarl forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
How do you know that Christ promised His Church the Holy Spirit? Don’t you interpret Scripture in the first place to accept the status or infallibilty of the Church?

By wording it the way you did, it implies that infallibility is a positive protection which the Catholic Church claims…
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			*By the way..... if I were a betting man, I would bet that you do not understand infallibility AT ALL. If you do, you are welcome to reply to this with your understanding.*
Infallibility as claim by the Catholic Church is the inability to teach error on a matter of faith or morals.

It is exercised by the Pope when acting in his role as head of the Church defines a matter to believed by the faithful.

It is also exercised by the Magisterium, the college of bishops, in union with the Pope, usually by a declaration by an ecumenical council.

It does not ensure impeccability of bishops or Pope. It does not apply to a private opinion of the Pope not intended to be infallible.
Infallibility is a negative protection. It is the power of the Holy Spirit that will prevent the pope, and the pope and bishops in union with him, from teaching Doctrinal error in the matters of faith and morals.

Interestingly, when such a declaration is made, which meets the criteria you recognized, that declaration is for all Christians in all ages in all places.

That promise is found in Christ’s words “… whatever you shall bind… shall be bound in heaven…” more accurately perhaps: “… whatever you shall bind…shall have been bound in heaven…”

Truth is Jesus. Truth does not change or cease. And all Truth can be found in heaven. Thus when the pope (or pope and bishops in union with him) declares doctrine, it is not something new or invented. It is Truth declared as Truth which has always existed.

The Catholic Church alone has the authority to study and develop understanding of Truth and then make those pronouncements. No other faith community has the gift of infallibility because no other faith community has its authority from God.

But you were very close in your understanding. Well done.

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Well, I wasn’t addressing you. Believe what you will. I have no reason to lie. Lying is a sin anyway.

Years ago I posted regularly on CF under a different title on your side. I started the DD2007 profile after a period of disillusionment hoping you guys could help me stay in the RCC. Yet, I have been solidly convicted of the truth and I have fully and publically recanted my former Roman Catholic theology that I subscribed to to everyone I used to argue for it against. I am now an active member of the PCA and have fully embraced Reformed Theology.

I will not tell you anything about the Knights of Columbus because I swore to them I wouldn’t reveal anything and I will abide by my word.

Bible reading was only encouraged in our Church if you let the RCC interpret it for you. In RCIA we used a lot of Apologetics for the RCC.
You are correct, you were not addressing me. Pardon me for butting in again in this discussion. I was involved the first 4 or 5 days of it…how many days has it been now???

I didn’t mean “lying”, I guess as I stated in a few earlier post, your tone appeared to be one of jest at times. Almost as you were baiting people into words, from a different place then you portrayed.

I may be wrong because I think I finally saw your genuine side in your last post. However, I still question some of your premises as false.

First is the premise that your brothers in Christ, including the memory of Fr. McGivney, would not help you remain Catholic. Most Catholics leave the Church because of a lack of knowledge of the Church, scriptures, and the teachings. Most often they leave because being a Christian of other denominations is easier, to believe and to live.

I know that Catholics strong in knowledge and faith of the Church would not have denied helping you through your struggles unless you weren’t looking for help, just excuses to leave.

Second, your being “solidly convicted in truth” after you left the RCC, can only come out of not understanding the Church and it’s history and teaching. To know the truth is to be able to see history for what it is, not what people tell you it is. There are many writings and scripture that has to be taken out of historical context not to see what the fullness of the truth is.

Yes, historical critical exegesis must be done in order to see the truth. It matters who Jesus was training for three years of His earthly ministry, Catholics! When He told His Apostles to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, He most certainly was not teaching Catholics to beware of Catholics.

The “swore to secrecy” clause may be true, when dealing with initiation ceremonies. If there were issues where repentance is needed that would require you to bring it into the light, as I did at my council about two years ago. Brother Knights know what’s best for all.

As far as scripture interpretation goes, the closest the RCC you ever get to as a Catholic is your parish priest. Most don’t take the time or energy to learn dogma, or canon law. The CCC is in every Church and RCI class and most typically don’t use it. I have trouble believing that you were told not to interpret scripture until you could speak to the RCC. Now if you tried to bring up ideas about scripture that were blatantly against the truth, I’m sure you were silenced by other who knew better, nothing out of the norm there.

I guess my point is your desire to learn more could have driven you to pursue your Catholic faith instead of abandoning the Church built by Christ, which the netherworld shall not prevail against. That my brother is the call of the Lord to you!!!
 
Interestingly, when such a declaration is made, which meets the criteria you recognized, that declaration is for all Christians in all ages in all places.
This causes me a great deal of problems. I agree that truth does not change. But what happens to those in previous ages who did not believe what was later defined? God requires that we believe certain things. What those things are is part of the truth. If the Church does not reveal what must be believed until a later period, then the Church has failed those who believed differently before the definition. I know the opinion that until definition it is just a theologumenon, but does God change what must be believed because the Church decided to define it? I can’t see that because the truth, including what we must believe, doesn’t change.
That promise is found in Christ’s words “… whatever you shall bind… shall be bound in heaven…” more accurately perhaps: “… whatever you shall bind…shall have been bound in heaven…”
But to get to that promise you must agree that it means what the Church says it means. To arrive at that conclusion, you must privately interpret the evidence, biblical or otherwise, because until you do, how do you know that it gives the Church the authority it claims.
 
This causes me a great deal of problems. I agree that truth does not change. But what happens to those in previous ages who did not believe what was later defined? God requires that we believe certain things. What those things are is part of the truth. If the Church does not reveal what must be believed until a later period, then the Church has failed those who believed differently before the definition. I know the opinion that until definition it is just a theologumenon, but does God change what must be believed because the Church decided to define it? I can’t see that because the truth, including what we must believe, doesn’t change.

But to get to that promise you must agree that it means what the Church says it means. To arrive at that conclusion, you must privately interpret the evidence, biblical or otherwise, because until you do, how do you know that it gives the Church the authority it claims.
Based on what you are trying to prove, it would mean that all Jews before the Incarnation of Christ, and His Passion and Crucifixion were doomed to hell, because something else was revealed after their lives. All who followed the Laws of Abraham, and did not know the Mosaic Law, well too bad. For those who knew what was revealed to Noah, and not to Abram, who became Abraham, well tough kerplach. A very silly way of looking at things. We are responsible for what is given to us. If we look back historically, there was no need to define the belief in the Trinity until the issues of disbelief with Arius and Nestorius, If you asked someone if they believed in the Trinity prior to that time they would probably scratch their head, and wonder what you were talking about. So too when Truths that had been part of the common belief of Catholics prior to the rise of various errors were challenged the Church with it’s teaching authority, in order to combat the error defined issues clearly. Sometimes when the issues continued to rise up in various places, the Church had to confirm it’s previous statements.

As to your query, “…does God change what must be believed because the Church decided to define it? I can’t see that because the truth, including what we must believe, doesn’t change.” If you can’t see that, then it may be time to review Jesus words, “Whatsoever you bind in heaven is bound on earth, and whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.” He was speaking directly to the Apostles in one instance and to St. Peter in another.

Additionally, as we individually grow in our spiritual lives, and as the Church grows in understanding of God, it is not the Truths that change, but our understanding of the Truth. Some take this too far, as the Modernists of the late 19th through the 20th Century, and leave open the development of ideas that contradict the teachings held by the Church since the time of the Apostles.

With regard to the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, these beliefs did not pop up out of nowhere, as many Protestants charge. I have a couple of altar Missals from the mid 1600’s, and have read Missals in the British Library while spending time in London, where the oldest manuscripts date from 300 BC, In the partial Missals from the 700’s the Feast of the Assumption and Immaculate Conception show up. As there is literary evidence that it pre-dates these missals, we can see that it has been a belief among Christians since very early.

If we look at history itself, we can see that Christians (and here I mean Catholics, since aside from a few small heretical groups like the Judaizers who died out for a time) in the first centuries had other issues they needed to focus on, such as staying alive, and during the outbreaks of persecution, handing on the infant Faith. We see the first apologetics defend the Faith against charges that the Church was Atheistic and Cannabalistic because Christians failed to worship the Roman Gods, and taught that the Eucharist was the Body and Blood of Christ. But there was little time to discuss more fully the truths that the Faith taught.

In the secular world we see the same ideas. The Protestant Minister and Scientist, Newton defined the laws of gravity. They existed prior to his definitions, but if you asked someone, “What are the laws that describe gravity?” they would give you a blank stare. Did the laws of gravity not exist prior to them being defined? Would you hold someone responsible for knowing the laws of gravity before they were defined?

As to your second assertion. Faith, which comes to us as a gift from God, by our accepting of His graces, allows us to make an assent to the Truths that Jesus taught. If as part of our acceptance of the evidence we believe Jesus was and is the Second Person of the Trinity, then we have to evaluate if He not only had the authority to apportion that authority to the Apostles, who we read in the NT are among those who are given authority over the Devil, and authority over others in the Church. You are free to reject what Jesus said, and follow any one of the Protestant Churches, or start your own. God will supply the Grace, it is up to you, (Unless you are a disciple of John Calvin) to accept or reject that Grace.
 
This causes me a great deal of problems. I agree that truth does not change. But what happens to those in previous ages who did not believe what was later defined? God requires that we believe certain things. What those things are is part of the truth. If the Church does not reveal what must be believed until a later period, then the Church has failed those who believed differently before the definition. I know the opinion that until definition it is just a theologumenon, but does God change what must be believed because the Church decided to define it? I can’t see that because the truth, including what we must believe, doesn’t change.

But to get to that promise you must agree that it means what the Church says it means. To arrive at that conclusion, you must privately interpret the evidence, biblical or otherwise, because until you do, how do you know that it gives the Church the authority it claims.
Jesus Christ Sy, Jesus Christ that is our authority. There is no difference between the CC yesterday then when Jesus ran it. Jesus said I will not leave your orphans I will send the advocate the HS. What part of that do you not understand. We believe that Jesus is alive throught he HS today just like when he revealed himself as Man over 2000 years ago.

The CC is the Living Christ, he never left the Church sy. He guides the Pope and Bishops through the HS. He talks through them today as yesterday. He never left sy. Like I told you before Luther left the church. The Pope did not. The Pope is still leading us by the power of God. Jesus CHrist promised us he would not leave us orphans. Orphans do not have a Father we do it is GOd the Father revealed to us through the CC. It really don’t get any easier than that. Bottom line we believe what Jesus said. That scripture is easy. The apostles said not all scripture is easy. Thats ones pretty simple.

Even a cave man can do it sy.😃
 
Based on what you are trying to prove, it would mean that all Jews before the Incarnation of Christ, and His Passion and Crucifixion were doomed to hell, because something else was revealed after their lives. All who followed the Laws of Abraham, and did not know the Mosaic Law, well too bad. For those who knew what was revealed to Noah, and not to Abram, who became Abraham, well tough kerplach. A very silly way of looking at things. We are responsible for what is given to us. If we look back historically, there was no need to define the belief in the Trinity until the issues of disbelief with Arius and Nestorius, If you asked someone if they believed in the Trinity prior to that time they would probably scratch their head, and wonder what you were talking about. So too when Truths that had been part of the common belief of Catholics prior to the rise of various errors were challenged the Church with it’s teaching authority, in order to combat the error defined issues clearly. Sometimes when the issues continued to rise up in various places, the Church had to confirm it’s previous statements.
Those before Jesus had the revelation that was available to them. They would have had to accept that revelation. Does not the Bible tell us that after the Crucifixion Jesus preached to the dead and those in prison? They were given the truth.

Do you agree that there has been no public revelation since the Apostolic Age and that Jesus promised to lead the Apostle’s into all truth? As these are true I can not see any doctrine being developed that would take more than a thousand years to define.
Lapey said:
As to your query, “…does God change what must be believed because the Church decided to define it? I can’t see that because the truth, including what we must believe, doesn’t change.” If you can’t see that, then it may be time to review Jesus words, “Whatsoever you bind in heaven is bound on earth, and whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.” He was speaking directly to the Apostles in one instance and to St. Peter in another.
So you feel that God requires us to believe more than those closer to Jesus time did? Why do you feel it should take more to be saved than then? With respect to the passages you refer to the early church did not necessarily always view them as the Church does now.

With respect to Mathew 16:18-19, Augustine had this to say:
He has given, therefore, the keys to His Church, that whatsoever it should bind on earth might be bound in heaven, and whatsoever it should loose on earth might be loosed in heaven; **that is to say, that whosoever in the Church should not believe that his sins are remitted, they should not be remitted to him; but that whosoever should believe and should repent, and turn from his sins, should be saved by the same faith and repentance on the ground of which he is received into the bosom of the Church. ** For he who does not believe that his sins can be pardoned, falls into despair, and becomes worse as if no greater good remained for him than to be evil, when he has ceased to have faith in the results of his own repentance.
Augustine (On Christian Doctrine, Book 1, Chapter 18)
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf102.v.iv.xviii.html?scrBook=Matt&scrCh=16&scrV=19#v.iv.xviii-p3.1

And with respect to Mathew 18:18 John Chrysostom has this to say:
But why did He set him with these? To soothe the person wronged, and to alarm him. Is this only then the punishment? Nay, but hear also what follows. “Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven.” And He did not say to the ruler of the church, “Bind such a man,” but, “If thou bind,” committing the whole matter to the person himself, who is aggrieved, and the bonds abide indissoluble. Therefore he will suffer the utmost ills; but not he who hath brought him to account is to blame, but he who hath not been willing to be persuaded.
John Chrysostom (Homilies on Matthew, Homily 60
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LVII.html

Even if such authority as claimed is given to the Apostles, where is there anything to indicate that the Apostles’ authority could be passed on?
 
With regard to the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, these beliefs did not pop up out of nowhere, as many Protestants charge. I have a couple of altar Missals from the mid 1600’s, and have read Missals in the British Library while spending time in London, where the oldest manuscripts date from 300 BC, In the partial Missals from the 700’s the Feast of the Assumption and Immaculate Conception show up. As there is literary evidence that it pre-dates these missals, we can see that it has been a belief among Christians since very early.
As for the early belief in the Immaculate Conception, such a doctor of the Church as Bernard of Clairveux didn’t seem to be aware that had been held by the early church.
Wherefore I cannot but wonder that there should have been among you at this time some who wished to sully this splendid fame of your Church by introducing a new Festival, a rite which the Church knows nothing of, and which reason does not prove, nor ancient tradition hand down to us. Have we the pretension to be more learned or more devoted than the Fathers? It is a dangerous presumption to establish in such a matter what their prudence left unestablished. And the matter in question is of such a nature that it could not possibly have escaped the diligence of the Fathers if they had not thought that they ought not to occupy themselves with it….For how does the consequence follow that since the conception has preceded the birth, and the birth is holy, the conception should be considered holy also? Did it make the birth holy because it preceded it? Although the one came first that the other might be, yet not that it might be holy. From whence came that holiness to the conception which was to be transmitted to the birth which followed? Was it not rather because the conception preceded without holiness that it was needful for the being conceived to be sanctified, that a holy birth might then follow? Or shall we say that the birth which was later than the conception shared with it its holiness? It might be, indeed, that the sanctification which was worked in her when conceived passed over to the birth which followed; but it could not be possible that it should have a retrospective effect upon the conception which had preceded it….If, therefore, before her conception she could not possibly be sanctified, since she did not exist, nor in the conception itself, because of the sin which inhered in it, it remains to be believed that she received sanctification when existing in the womb after conception, which, by excluding sin, made her birth holy, but not her conception….Willingly the glorious Virgin will be without this honour, by which either a sin seems to be honoured or a sanctity supposed which is not a fact. And, besides, she will by no means be pleased by a presumptuous novelty against the custom of the Church, a novelty which is the mother of rashness, the sister of superstition, the daughter of levity.
Bernard of Clairveaux (LETTER LXV (circa A.D. 1140),To the Canons of Lyons, on the Conception of S. Mary.)
ccel.org/ccel/bernard/letters.lxviii.html
As to your second assertion. Faith, which comes to us as a gift from God, by our accepting of His graces, allows us to make an assent to the Truths that Jesus taught. If as part of our acceptance of the evidence we believe Jesus was and is the Second Person of the Trinity, then we have to evaluate if He not only had the authority to apportion that authority to the Apostles, who we read in the NT are among those who are given authority over the Devil, and authority over others in the Church. You are free to reject what Jesus said, and follow any one of the Protestant Churches, or start your own. God will supply the Grace, it is up to you, (Unless you are a disciple of John Calvin) to accept or reject that Grace.
I do not reject what Jesus said. I do not accept the interpretation of the Catholic Church as to what Jesus said. This includes the interpretation of those passages that the Church interprets as giving it the authority it claims. You accept the Church’s interpretation, but before you can have a basis for accepting that interpretation, you must have read the passage and agreed it gave the Church what it claims. You use your personal interpretation to verify what the Church claims and once you have done that you rely on the Church. However the first step is you relying on your interpretation.
 
Knights of Columbus
1st degree
Had the Rosary.
Went to meetings.
Had the insurance.
Did charity functions.
Seved in the RCIA as sponser.
Gambled…
Drank beer at church…etc.

Sorry you don’t believe me Bill. Don’t worry. I won’t break my word.
DD When you tell one lie you have to tell 5 more to cover it up so I,l j just wait for your next 2 0r 3
So you are 1st degree you do know that as low as you can go… why only a 1st degree. ??? and you drank beer,My Lord drunk wine
PS> You still did not tell your mystery
 
… those who knew what was revealed to Noah, and not to Abram, who became Abraham, well tough kerplach. …
:eek: tough kerplach??? :rotfl:

Don’t explain… I enjoy it all by itself… gotta remember that word.

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DD When you tell one lie you have to tell 5 more to cover it up so I,l j just wait for your next 2 0r 3
So you are 1st degree you do know that as low as you can go… why only a 1st degree. ??? and you drank beer,My Lord drunk wine
PS> You still did not tell your mystery
I didn’t lie. Yes, I know that is as low as I can go. I never tried to advance in degree. I was a Knight and I did participate. All the knights drank beer wherever we went. I stopped drinking, though. It’s not good for me. I simply told you that so you would recognize the truth of the statement. (I do believe that getting a buzz is sinful. However I do not believe that drinking alcohol without getting a buzz is sinful.)

Anyway…don’t worry about it. It’s in the past. I shouldn’t have even brought it up. I hate talking about it personally.

Here’s a good video for you Bill. I know you love Ligonier and all:

ligonier.org/media_player.php?tabID=1&id=200

Scripture Alone art 1 by R C Sproul. 🙂 You can find part two in the list to the right of the video if you so feel inclined. 😉
 
DD Cant get the spond up but I do not believe any thing Mr RC Sproot has to say if his mouth was notarised.but thanks
 
I didn’t lie. Yes, I know that is as low as I can go. I never tried to advance in degree. I was a Knight and I did participate. All the knights drank beer wherever we went. I stopped drinking, though. It’s not good for me. I simply told you that so you would recognize the truth of the statement. (I do believe that getting a buzz is sinful. However I do not believe that drinking alcohol without getting a buzz is sinful.)

Anyway…don’t worry about it. It’s in the past. I shouldn’t have even brought it up. I hate talking about it personally.

Here’s a good video for you Bill. I know you love Ligonier and all:

ligonier.org/media_player.php?tabID=1&id=200

Scripture Alone art 1 by R C Sproul. 🙂 You can find part two in the list to the right of the video if you so feel inclined. 😉
DD Is Sprout like Macarthur A YES OR NO will do
 
DD Is Sprout like Macarthur A YES OR NO will do
How about an yes and no.

Dr. Sproul and Dr. Macarthur share a common soteriology.

In regards to Roman Catholicism, Dr. Sproul considers Roman Catholics as christians who are simply in error where Dr. Macarthur feels the RCC is utterly apostate. So they differ here.

Dr. Sproul is far less abrasive that Dr. Macarthur. He has a good sense of humor as well.

He wrote the classic The Holiness of God.
 
I once aked several people this question: “if someone is given to drink a 500 ml glass of juice with 5 ml of poison added to it, did this person drink juice or did he drink poison?”
100 % persent of the respondents said “he did drink poison”.
The same applies here. DD2007’s misunderstand of one crucial word (“ALL”) has poisoned his otherwise good understanding of Scripures. The passage says “ALL Scripture” and he reads “ONLY Scripture”.
Oh yeah, distorting God’s Word is the same as adding to God’s word - it is dangerous.

placido
You know, this is as good an argument as I have ever heard!!👍👍
That is exactly what DD is doing, and it is exactly the reason that he is so confused. Thank you for this post!!! :clapping::clapping:
Everyone relies on private interpretation at some point. Why do you believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church? Unless you are relying on its its word alone, have you not interpreted Scripture and decided what the Catholic Church claims about itself is true?
There is private interpretation as in, a private individual arrives at an intelligent opinion based on all the available facts.
And then there is: Make up your mind what you believe & then tear the Bible up trying to find a way to make it say what you want it to say, and quote it out of context. I don’t consider that “interpretation” at all, and I don’t care **who **is doing it.
Catholics may defer to their church for an interpretation, but I can live with that. Its an honest person stating an honest opinion.
What bugs me, are the SS fanatics who will happily re-write the Scriptures they pretend to enthrone. Now they stick in my craw. (Of course, :p98 cents & my opinion will buy you a Sweet Tea at Mickey D’s any day of the week).
 
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