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Post 255 Bill.
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DD2007
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The apostle Peter and the Roman Catholic pope are not the same thing.
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Bill_Pick
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DD2007 Why have you not answer my question about John 20:19-23I’m a he.
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rinnie
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Could you please show me the difference. Jesus Christ put peter in charge and gave him the Power of the HS. Every pope who has had this passed on can be traced. Are you saying Jesus lied again and Apostolic succession died too?
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rinnie
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Could you answer the question. Yes or no?
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josie_L
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It’s kind of like what the Muslims do, in that they pick and choose the parts of the Bible (according to their belief system) they agree with.
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rinnie
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Dear Lord. Now he is saying that when Jesus said to the RCC that I will give you the words and you cannot err in the teaching he lied again. I am speechless!
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adstrinity
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Say a prayer for the devil.
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Convert66
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John MacArthur is obviously insane. At one point he claims that the dark ages were from about 400-1500 a.d. 
He says that this is when the “popery” (or is that potpourri???) began in earnest and all manner of pagan doctrines spread heresy throughout the Church.
So, all of the ECF’s who were ALL Catholics, and ALL believed in Apostolic succession, the intercession of Mary, the communion of saints, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the priesthood; confession; baptim of infants and the Eucharistetc., etc., that lived prior to MacArthur’s capricious date of 400 were really in league with the antichrist all along, even though they are worthy of being quoted by Protestants who believe this garbage.
It is obvious by now that the educational system has failed miserably, as these sorts of mental midgets couldn’t think their way through the self-scanners at Wal-mart let alone Church history. MacArthur would exercise judgment over who and what could be said in his “pulpit” but he says that the Pope (the Pastor of the Church) is invalid?
Let’s follow his “logic.”
I feel bad for decent Protestants everywhere that have to be likened to this sort of whack job. I can’t believe my own blindness in that I actually thought of MacArthur as a decent fellow and a solid protestant teacher.
How many millions are in his bank accounts, by the way? Or does he write all of those books for free? Funny how so many protestants need MacArthur, Spurgeon, Edwards, Calvin (he of the Police State of Geneva where one could be flogged for drinking wine and burned at the stake for being a “papist”) to interpret the scriptures for them . . .when the Scriptures (by this sort of protestant “light”) are plain and obvious to all that are regenerated and led by the Holy Spirit!!!
Why are they usurping the Holy Spirit??? Are they all antichrist???
We want our bibles back. We want our doctrine of the Trinity back. We want ecclesiology, soteriology, eschatology and ALL of it back!
Make up your own religion - - -oh, wait. TOO LATE!!!:banghead:
He says that this is when the “popery” (or is that potpourri???) began in earnest and all manner of pagan doctrines spread heresy throughout the Church.So, all of the ECF’s who were ALL Catholics, and ALL believed in Apostolic succession, the intercession of Mary, the communion of saints, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the priesthood; confession; baptim of infants and the Eucharistetc., etc., that lived prior to MacArthur’s capricious date of 400 were really in league with the antichrist all along, even though they are worthy of being quoted by Protestants who believe this garbage.
It is obvious by now that the educational system has failed miserably, as these sorts of mental midgets couldn’t think their way through the self-scanners at Wal-mart let alone Church history. MacArthur would exercise judgment over who and what could be said in his “pulpit” but he says that the Pope (the Pastor of the Church) is invalid?
Let’s follow his “logic.”
- John MacArthur is a legitimate and worthy Pastor of the church
- The Pope is not a valid pastor of the Church
3)The Pope places himself above Christ
- John MacArthur places himself above the Pope AND Christ!
I feel bad for decent Protestants everywhere that have to be likened to this sort of whack job. I can’t believe my own blindness in that I actually thought of MacArthur as a decent fellow and a solid protestant teacher.
How many millions are in his bank accounts, by the way? Or does he write all of those books for free? Funny how so many protestants need MacArthur, Spurgeon, Edwards, Calvin (he of the Police State of Geneva where one could be flogged for drinking wine and burned at the stake for being a “papist”) to interpret the scriptures for them . . .when the Scriptures (by this sort of protestant “light”) are plain and obvious to all that are regenerated and led by the Holy Spirit!!!
Why are they usurping the Holy Spirit??? Are they all antichrist???
We want our bibles back. We want our doctrine of the Trinity back. We want ecclesiology, soteriology, eschatology and ALL of it back!
Make up your own religion - - -oh, wait. TOO LATE!!!:banghead:
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Religio71
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someone’s been breathing in the CARM air. Luckily for us, we know that your statements are lies. Whenever someone doesn’t have a real historical and Biblical basis for their complete Faith, just say the other guy is the anti-Christ.
Don’t worry, if you pay real attention at CARM, you’ll see a number of people that said exactly what you said, and come back to God’s Church. Try reading some of their books, you’ll be surprised at the man made traditions that you follow.
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DD2007
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Dr. Macarthur is one of the most well respected evengelical theologians inthe United States. He is also the author of the study portions of the highly acclaimed Macarthur Study bible. He has also written a commentary over the bible.
Here he is on Larry King:
youtube.com/watch?v=2BZ-N4pruFo
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Roy5
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I haven’t read all the postings on this topic. so forgive me if I am repetitious.
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There are millions of Protestants who find it impossible to believe many of the teachings of Catholicism but also do not embrace sola scriptura. We treasure the Protestant principle of individual freedom but have studied the Bible sufficiently to know that it contains considerable folklore, nationalist propaganda, and even myth. I refer especially, of course, to the Old Testament.
Take, for example, the first 11 chapters of Genesis. If they are taken literally, together with the rest of the Bible chronology, then the Creation did occur roughly 6000 years ago. This is absurd and it is silly to argue otherwise. The Creation story in scripture is one of many from various cultures. It is not a lie. It simply is an ancient attempt to explain the beginning of the world before modern science provided us with a far more accurate version. It serves as a useful parable. And did God really punish humankind for building the Tower of Babel by causing us to speak diverse language? There probably was some ancient flood, and Noah and the Ark provides interesting folklore, but Noah getting every animal in that ark? Ridiculous! Besides, my God would not have deliberately drowned all those little ones - even babies in the womb - for the sins of their parents.
Or, what about Jehovah's order to Joshua to slay everyone in Jericho and Ai and elsewhere? And commanding Saul to kill every last Amalekite? Didn't God even follow his own Ten Commandments? What about 'suffer not a witch to live'? Oh, and those capital punishments demanded in such chapters as Ex. 21, Lev. 2, and Deut. 22-23? Stone a rebellious son to death? Give me a break! Horrendous atrocities that appear to be God-approved in the Old Testament. More like Hitler than Jesus.
There is stuff in the New Testament that is questionable, too. "Slaves, obey your masters," sounds to me like an approval of slavery.
So, millions of Protestants, I among them, gain inspiration and guidance from the Bible, but we also are free to disagree with portions of it..I have enjoyed Bible studies over the years when various members offer up possible interpretations of this or that verse.
What Christians need is a 'big tent' atmosphere. In other words, permit the freedom to disagree and respect the insights of one another. Both Catholicism and sola scriptura Protestants look for authority - the first to a church, the second to a book. I depend upon the spirit of God to help guide me. I may diverge from fellow Christians, but that doesn't trouble me. I'm sure that God doesn't punish us because we delight in individual searching and thinking. Besides, I believe - unlike most traditionalist Catholic and fundamentalist Protestants - that we're saved by simple faith and not by any creed or set of doctrines.
God bless Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - all Christians. Then add to that Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone else who seek to worship and serve God and humankind. I'm sure we'll have some fascinating discussions in heaven. May religion become a bridge and not a barrier and we grow in wisdom here on earth..
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So then, in your humble opinion, how does one not get deceived by the Deciever? They read the bible, and actually know at least the OT quite well, much better than many Catholics, I’d wager.
I hope you realize how childish and silly it sounds to shout “Bible only! Bible only!” and then when a “bible-believing church” like the WBC gets it wrong, then have only “they are deceived” as an explanation. Very convenient that you’re the only one who has the correct interpretation of scripture. How is that?
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DD2007
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Post 255 Bill. I did answer it.
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rinnie
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But for someone to come on here, and actually tell a RC to leave their Church, and then accuse the Holy Father as being the anti-christ. It just don’t get any more messed up than that. I would be afraid to death to go to sleep at night if I made a statement like that.
someone’s been breathing in the CARM air. Luckily for us, we know that your statements are lies. Whenever someone doesn’t have a real historical and Biblical basis for their complete Faith, just say the other guy is the anti-Christ.
Don’t worry, if you pay real attention at CARM, you’ll see a number of people that said exactly what you said, and come back to God’s Church. Try reading some of their books, you’ll be surprised at the man made traditions that you follow.
Then to accuse the Catholic CHurch that St Peter started of teaching the Blessed Mother is above Jesus Christ. I can’t believe what I am hearing. I can really say Now. I HEARD IT ALL.
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Bill_Pick
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You have not got this one right John 20+23 get it right all you gave is some scriptura junping,and will you please tell me what church it must be some cult or something like one, it can.t be christian
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Religio71
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do you read/watch the news? Some of the worst nutjobs are the most educated, right up to physicians and people with PhDs in physical sciences. Whatever qualifications Macarthur has, they fall down when he says the Pope is the anti-Christ. Common tactic. There is no basis for the Pope being the anti-Christ, and this is nothing new from the anti-Catholic world, we’ve heard it all before.
Thank God that His Church has not fallen for such false doctrines.
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josie_L
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Ah so you don’t believe in apostolic succession even though we see that when Judas dies another takes his office. St.Peter was/is the first bishop of Rome, any who succeeds him has taken his office, this office is the same office that Jesus proclaimed the Church would be built on (rock/Peter). God bless.
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Religio71
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and if you keep hyping up this guy because of all his qualifications, try reading some Scott Hahn. He has a B.A. (magna cum laude, triple major in economics, theology, and philosophy), an M.Div (summa cum laude), and a PhD in systemic theology. He is also a Professor, and has written extensively on Catholicism. He converted from the PCA.
the PCA.
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NotTooSmart
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I guess it is clear to you, but it remains not clear to me.
But as I say, I have difficulty making leaps in Scripture that other folks seem to be able to make with ease.
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