Sola Scriptura questions

[PRmerger]

I don’t know about you but I certainly don’t need the CC to tell me that these are “God-breathed”

You tell me how you would know that this verse is inspired, were it not for the Catholic Church:
*“My breath is offensive to my wife.” *

Now, remember, one can’t beg the question and say, “I know what’s inspired because it’s in the Bible; and I know it’s in the Bible 'cause it’s inspired”. As you see, that’s begging the question.

It’s circular reasoning.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

You tell me how you would know that this verse is inspired, were it not for the Catholic Church:
*“My breath is offensive to my wife.” *

Now, remember, one can’t beg the question and say, “I know what’s inspired because it’s in the Bible; and I know it’s in the Bible 'cause it’s inspired”. As you see, that’s begging the question.

It’s circular reasoning.

What are you changing the subject for PR? Let’s stay focused. This tells us what we need for eternal life.

Rom.10
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

This verse is in the bible PR. You gave some verses and you tried to say that they are talking about different things. They are not. Let’s look at them. Remember, you posted them and they are all in the bible.

By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)
Jn3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16
31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
No argument here.

By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)

Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2Pet.3
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus came to this earth to die for our sins. this is the great gift (grace) of God. A gift has two parts to it. It is GIVEN by God to every one, but in order for a gift to be valid for us personally it must be accepted. Part of that acceptance is repentance. If we are not repentant then we shune the gift (grace) of God and Christ’s sacrifice becomes meaningless to us.

By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)

Jn.3
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)

1Peter3
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Titus3:4-6
4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Again, we are saved, washed in the blood of Jesus. Baptism is the outward expression of our acceptance of HIS sacrifice.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)

Lk 12
8Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Rom 10
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

And again It is HIS sacrifice that saves. Our declaration would be meaningless without HIS sacrifice.

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

1 Tim 2
2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

What is the “truth”?

Jn17
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jn1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jn.14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
We are saved by the sacrifice of the WORD made flesh, JESUS.

By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)

Rom.2
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

James 2
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

“faith without works is dead” An expression of faith IN JESUS is hollow and meaningless unless accompanied by appropriate good works foremost of which would be obedience to the commandments.

By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)

Acts 15
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Eph 2
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

No argument here we are saved by the grace (gift) of God which is the sacrifice of Jesus.

By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)

Rom 5
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Heb 9
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Again no argument. His blood, the gift of God in the sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins, and grace are one and the same thing.

By his righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)

Rom 5
17For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

2 Pet 1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The gift of God (grace) is the righteousness of Jesus purchased for us on the cross.

By his Cross (Eph 2:16; Col 2:14)

Eph 2
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 2
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Again the same as the rest. We are saved by the Sacrifice of Jesus, The Cross, Grace, His Blood. Our acceptance of that Sacrifice is manifest in 1) baptism 2) good works

Remember all these verses were posted by you PR. They are all in the bible and all of them confirm the fact that everything we need for our salvation is contained within it’s pages. We could probably come up with many more verses that say the same thing, but the point is that they are all in the BIBLE and point us to the fact that acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus is all we need for eternal life. What else do we need PR?

 

[look3467]

I like your list of Seven things to do… What do you think about the Seven Holy Sacraments? How does that factor into your faith?

Here they are: 1.Baptism

Baptism in my view is the Lord submersed totally into my heart, that is to say born in my heart, that is to say my being born again from above submersed into His life spirit.

Now as for the physical side of Baptism, it follows upon ones desire to begin the walk of the new life by signification, as in this is the sign that I am following in the steps of my Lord Jesus in His death, burial and resurrection.

Confirmation can be in my view the following in baptism, but not a necessary step since the desire has to come from within to do the walk.

Eucharist The early believers gathered as often as they could hence, the verse:1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.

My view is that anytime it is done as a group of believers, it is done in remembrances of Jesus.

Penance if by it means doing something for payment?

Jesus paid it all, and the white rope spoken about in Revelation, one is saved for me and you and all for whom Jesus paid the price for, to the point where we owe nothing.

The only thing that is left is for us to work out our salvation, and that is meaning that once granted, we ought to look into it’s properties and do the Lord’s desire in our daily walk.

Anointing the sick once as a Catholic, though being very young, I never heard of that until I was much older and in a Protestant church.

And that I have practiced my self within the family.

Holy Orders the only orders that I recognize are those directly from Jesus via His word (in the bible) and via His Holy Spirits guidance.

And those are an individual thing between me and Jesus and no one else.

Matrimony I believe in the sanctity of the marriage vows as being God breath performed in a religious setting.

Marriage by a justice of the peace outside a religious setting is just as binding for the same type of wows are used.

Whether we adhere to to vows down the line is a matter only to the individuals involved.

I have being faithful to mine going on 43 years and counting.
God has blessed me through all my years with a wonderful wife, six kids and 11 grand children and to boot, all in the same town.

I’ve been and alter boy, had my feet washed and kissed by a priest in celebration of Jesus, a deacon in the protestant church, a song leader and soloist, experienced within my in laws a diverse religious beliefs and dealt with all of them kindly and gently, as I believe Jesus would.

So, you see, I have not been a Catholic since I was 7 years old. Goi8ng now to 66 years, God has been with me all the way.

What I am trying to say Jimmy, is that our heart’s is where God finds His rest in, and as long as He abides there, we are gifted with life, not as the world see’s but as God sees.

If the Catholic Church is where you find your faith exercised to the utter most high, then there is where you belong.

If a Protestant, whose heart is renewed in Jesus, finds where they are at, then that is fine to.

What is important is that as believers in Jesus, as you and I, and any body else, have a family relationship born of the spirit of God, in unity of spirit.

There are families in this world whose siblings, can not stand each other to the point of hate, because of many things, not to exclude religious beliefs.

Their family, of the same blood, yet divided in spirit.

We are in the family of God for we believe in the same God, though of differing views, yet of the self same spirit of God.

That is what Jesus prayed for His efforts of going to the cross:Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

You tell me how you would know that this verse is inspired, were it not for the Catholic Church:
*“My breath is offensive to my wife.” *

Now, remember, one can’t beg the question and say, “I know what’s inspired because it’s in the Bible; and I know it’s in the Bible 'cause it’s inspired”. As you see, that’s begging the question.

It’s circular reasoning.

Inspired? Hmmmmmm a point of contention.

Is God divided by us to the point of contention?

Inspired means God breath, the life that are in His words, coming alive in ones heart only when the Holy Spirit activates it.

Did not God say: let there be light? Those are mere words are they not? And where those same words not full of life to the illumination of the world both physically and in spirit?

So, what are we hoping for in this argument, division?

No, lets us unite in the spirit of Christ which is first in our hearts, then expressed and manifested in the physical.

To win this argument is all in vain, for neither is addressing the hearts needs, and that is to expose those hearts to the loving forgiveness of our Lord Jesus via His word, the church, the priest, the paster, the teacher, the laymen and finally us.

We are the most direct representative of God in this world, we are as priests to the world for our God directly.

To sum it all up, the bible, granted, given and compiled by the Catholic Church, of which is fully appreciated by many, has within the pages of that book the words of God, that when the Holy Spirit touches our hearts, those words become life.

How and where one practices our beliefs, is a matter for the Holy Spirit to decide., and for us to follow that leading with the spirit life that is within us to share, teach, instruct in those things which will bring life to those who need it.

Blerssings, AJ

 

[PRmerger]

By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)

Lk 12
8Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Rom 10
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

And again It is HIS sacrifice that saves. Our declaration would be meaningless without HIS sacrifice.

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

1 Tim 2
2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Heb 10
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

What is the “truth”?

Jn17
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jn1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jn.14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
We are saved by the sacrifice of the WORD made flesh, JESUS.

By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)

Rom.2
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

James 2
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

“faith without works is dead” An expression of faith IN JESUS is hollow and meaningless unless accompanied by appropriate good works foremost of which would be obedience to the commandments.

By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)

Acts 15
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Eph 2
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

No argument here we are saved by the grace (gift) of God which is the sacrifice of Jesus.

By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)

Rom 5
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Heb 9
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Again no argument. His blood, the gift of God in the sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins, and grace are one and the same thing.

By his righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)

Rom 5
17For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

2 Pet 1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The gift of God (grace) is the righteousness of Jesus purchased for us on the cross.

By his Cross (Eph 2:16; Col 2:14)

Eph 2
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 2
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Again the same as the rest. We are saved by the Sacrifice of Jesus, The Cross, Grace, His Blood. Our acceptance of that Sacrifice is manifest in 1) baptism 2) good works

Remember all these verses were posted by you PR. They are all in the bible and all of them confirm the fact that everything we need for our salvation is contained within it’s pages. We could probably come up with many more verses that say the same thing, but the point is that they are all in the BIBLE and point us to the fact that acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus is all we need for eternal life. What else do we need PR?

To which all Catholics respond with a hearty

Now, how is it that you know those verses are inspired, God-breathed,* theopneustos*, Richard?

Answer: because the Catholic Church told you so.
There is nothing in those verses which tell you that God revealed them. And, even if they did, that does not prove they are theopneustos. Why, even the Koran claims that.

 

[PRmerger]

To win this argument is all in vain, for neither is addressing the hearts needs, and that is to expose those hearts to the loving forgiveness of our Lord Jesus via His word, the church, the priest, the paster, the teacher, the laymen and finally us.

That’s the entire point of the CAFs! We are here to propose, discuss, wrangle, engage, dialogue…all in an effort to come to a fuller understanding the the Truth. That was one of the mandates of our first Pope, St. Peter (see 1 Pet 3:15).

To sum it all up, the bible, granted, given and compiled by the Catholic Church, of which is fully appreciated by many, has within the pages of that book the words of God, that when the Holy Spirit touches our hearts, those words become life.

Thank you!

How and where one practices our beliefs, is a matter for the Holy Spirit to decide., and for us to follow that leading with the spirit life that is within us to share, teach, instruct in those things which will bring life to those who need it.

But, which Holy Spirit? * *

1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, ‘once saved always saved’, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD?
   Originally posted here

 

[PRmerger]

And how would you know that they are inspired, if it weren’t for the Catholic Church telling you they were, Richard?

This is a very important question, Richard. One that, I suspect, you have never really entertained.

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how you know whether these verses are inspired or not:

What’s inspired and what’s not? And how do you know? Because they’re in the Bible?
Remember, one cannot beg the question.

• All generations shall call me blessed!
• O you who believe! Remember God’s favor to you when there came against you forces, so We sent against them a strong wind and forces which you did not see, and God is Ever- Seeing what you do.
• My breath is offensive to my wife.
• For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense will be offered to my name, and a pure offering. For my name will be great among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.
• Moreover, what I have now said in regard to abstaining from wanton looks should be carefully observed, with due love for the persons and hatred of the sin, in observing, forbidding, reporting, reproving, and punishing of all other fault.
• Be appalled at this, O heavens, and shudder with great horror," declares the LORD.
• And seek assistance through patience and prayer, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Quote=onenow1 MISSING IS ! Consistent interpretation of scripture,{ Authority }. Jesus left us a church to settle disputes,

Jesus left us His church to preach the Gospel. Not to settle disputes.

RK this requires one voice as Jesus prayed.

John 17: 20 "I do not pray for these only, **but also for those who believe in me **through their word,
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This is a prayer that we have faith in Him. It says nothing about any arbitrating power. God says He will make us to be a nation of priests.

Ex.19
6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1Peter2
5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

What is a priest. A priest is a mediator. As Christ is our mediator in the heavenly realm, mediating His blood before the Father on our behalf, so we must become mediators to our fellow man. Mediating that same blood to the gentiles. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit (conviction.) There is no provision made for any interpretive arbitrating, power.

“if he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 18:15-18).
God Bless
onenow1

Here’s all of Matt18:15-18
15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

You will notice that there are three steps involved here. None more important than the other. And further notice that this is done “if thy brother shall trespass against thee” This is done when someone sins against us personally, we should 1) confront him one on one 2) take witnesses and confront him again and 3) if and only if the first two don’t work bring the matter up before your local church body.

“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Luke 10:16).

This is only logical. If we preach the gospel and we are rejected the Gospel of Jesus christ and Him crucified is also rejected.

“If I boast a little too much of our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for destroying you, I shall not be put to shame” (1 Cor. 10:8).

What is this authority that Paul is talking about.

Matt.28
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Eph.2
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The authority is to preach the Gospel period.

“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you” (1 Cor. 11:2).

If you think that the traditions here talked about are anything different than those found in the bible, you would be wrong.

Gal 1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

John 20:30 Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book

Obviously the signs that are not included in the bible were repeats, but again everything we need as the commercial says “is in there” (the bible)

=onenow1 We know Jesus from the bible and tradition testifies. The question still remains, how do we know the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit

If we can agree that the bible is inspired. I agree that it is and you apparently agree that it is, doesn’t this question become moot?

 

[PRmerger]

If we can agree that the bible is inspired. I agree that it is and you apparently agree that it is, doesn’t this question become moot?

Yes, Richard, all Christians agree that the Bible is inspired.

The question is: what early Christian writings belong in the Bible? And how do you know?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

To which all Catholics respond with a hearty

So you agree with sola /solo scriptura excellant.

Now, how is it that you know those verses are inspired, God-breathed,* theopneustos*, Richard?

2Tim.3
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Answer: because the Catholic Church told you so.
There is nothing in those verses which tell you that God revealed them. And, even if they did, that does not prove they are theopneustos. Why, even the Koran claims that.

So, are you saying that when the word of God says something that isn’t proof until the CC verifies it. Souds rather arrogant to me and as I said to onenow1 If we can agree that the bible is inspired. I agree that it is and you apparently agree that it is, doesn’t this question become moot?

 

[PRmerger]

.2Tim.3
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Amen.

But what is “Scripture”? How do you know that “My breath is offensive to my wife” is inspired?

Is this inspired: " Be appalled at this, O heavens, and shudder with great horror," declares the LORD"? And how do you know?

And please don’t beg the question with “It’s inspired because it’s in the bible” and “It’s in the Bible because it’s inspired”.

***How do you know what’s Scripture? ***

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Amen.

But what is “Scripture”? How do you know that “My breath is offensive to my wife” is inspired?

Is this inspired: " Be appalled at this, O heavens, and shudder with great horror," declares the LORD"? And how do you know?

And please don’t beg the question with “It’s inspired because it’s in the bible” and “It’s in the Bible because it’s inspired”.

***How do you know what’s Scripture? ***

You can pick up a bible at any bookstore. I’m not sure why you keep asking this question. You say it’s inspired, your church says it’s inspired, I say it’s inspired, my church says its inspired, the bible itself says it’s inspired. Again if you are trying to get me to say that the CC takes precident over what God’s word says, I don’t think that is going to happen. And since we do agree that it is “God breathed” can we also agree that it is all sufficient to lead us to Christ?

 

[PRmerger]

You can pick up a bible at any bookstore. I’m not sure why you keep asking this question. You say it’s inspired, your church says it’s inspired, I say it’s inspired, my church says its inspired, the bible itself says it’s inspired. Again if you are trying to get me to say that the CC takes precident over what God’s word says, I don’t think that is going to happen. And since we do agree that it is “God breathed” can we also agree that it is all sufficient to lead us to Christ?

But you keep using the pronoun “it”. What constituted the “it”?

Only through the Catholic Church would you know what’s God-breathed.

You required an authority, outside of Scripture, to tell you this.

That’s all I’m saying.

 

[PRmerger]

And since we do agree that it is “God breathed” can we also agree that it is all sufficient to lead us to Christ?

Clearly, it’s not “all sufficient”. It was* insufficient* in telling you what’s inspired and what’s not.

You needed an extra-biblical tradition to proclaim this revelation.

 

[Nicea325]

Richard Kastner:

Jesus left us His church to preach the Gospel. Not to settle disputes.

Oh really? Then how are disputes to be settled? The Bible-Alone? Where does Jesus teach disputes are to be settled through the Bible-Alone?

 

[Nicea325]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
.2Tim.3
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Like all good Protestants,you take the above verses so out-of-context it is a dead issue. The above was NOT written to prove or advocate Sola Scriptura. By the way, the first word reads: ALL…not "ONLY Scripture…

Big difference.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Jesus left us His church to preach the Gospel. Not to settle disputes.

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

But you keep using the pronoun “it”. What constituted the “it”?

Only through the Catholic Church would you know what’s God-breathed.

You required an authority, outside of Scripture, to tell you this.

That’s all I’m saying.

Ok, so you need to believe that the CC tells you that the bible is “God breathed.” I don’t need to believe this. The part we can agree on is that it is inspired by God and as Jn17:17 says we are sanctified by it, made holy, and it is the truth and if it is the word of truth what difference does it make where you learn that fact. It is the truth and we learn about the one who saved our lives from it. Isn’t that all we need to know?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Clearly, it’s not “all sufficient”. It was* insufficient* in telling you what’s inspired and what’s not.

Wait a minute, It may not be all sufficient for whatever reason to tell you what is inspired or not, I don’t understand your reasoning because it clearly says it is and you seem to agree that it is, but it is all sufficient for me.

You needed an extra-biblical tradition to proclaim this revelation.

If you have faith that the bible is inspired “God breathed” and it tells me of the only way to get to heaven. That being that we have faith in Jesus. Why do you need this extra biblical proclamation?