Some folks too hard on lit abuse issue

[misericordie]

WOW! It seems that finally there may be NO liturgical abuse in any parish: it must be just some invention of some old fasioned catholics. NOT!! . Anyone who denies there are no litugical abuses going on, must really travel around to see, to see for themselves liturgical abuses. Or, they might see it but deny it which means to purpously beleive in falshood or to remain in willful ignorance of the faith, which is actually sinful.
I ask, if there are NO liturgical abuses (maybe there is no such thing as sin either ) then why would the Holy See find the need for a recent document which mentions how certain liturgical abuses MUST be “reprobated.”?:tiphat:

 

[mrS4ntA]

WOW! It seems that finally there may be NO liturgical abuse in any parish: it must be just some invention of some old fasioned catholics. NOT!! . Anyone who denies there are no litugical abuses going on, must really travel around to see, to see for themselves liturgical abuses. Or, they might see it but deny it which means to purpously beleive in falshood or to remain in willful ignorance of the faith, which is actually sinful.
I ask, if there are NO liturgical abuses (maybe there is no such thing as sin either ) then why would the Holy See find the need for a recent document which mentions how certain liturgical abuses MUST be “reprobated.”?:tiphat:

Indeed.
“When Rome has spoken, the matter is settled.” – St. Augustine.

 

[iguana27]

Minimus:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Vulgate says, of course: “Et ait [Deus]: Faciamus hominem ad imaginem et similitudinem nostram et praesit piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et bestiis universaeque terrae omnique reptili quod movetur in terra. Et creavit Deus hominem ad imaginem suam; ad imaginem Dei creavit illum; masculum et feminam creavit eos.” Gen. 1, 26-27.

It is clear, by the use of “homo” that God’s sex was not an issue from the very beginning. He made His “hominem” both “masculum” and “feminam.”

I am not clear on what you are saying here… what do you mean by “God’s sex was not an issue from the very beginning?”

Thanks!

 

[Marie]

WOW! It seems that finally there may be NO liturgical abuse in any parish: it must be just some invention of some old fasioned catholics. NOT!! . Anyone who denies there are no litugical abuses going on, must really travel around to see, to see for themselves liturgical abuses. Or, they might see it but deny it which means to purpously beleive in falshood or to remain in willful ignorance of the faith, which is actually sinful.
I ask, if there are NO liturgical abuses (maybe there is no such thing as sin either ) then why would the Holy See find the need for a recent document which mentions how certain liturgical abuses MUST be “reprobated.”?:tiphat:

I would hope that no one would deny there are abuses and they must be stopped. That said, When you travel around as you say, you might also note that there are diocese where little to no Liturgical Abuse is going on. I have noticed that most of the people posting real and disgusting problems seem to be from the Eastern States (NY etc.) or the far Western States (CA, Washington etc.).

Heaven forbid anyone from a different section of the country mention they do not have the same problems. I advise you not be so quick to condemn those who say their Diocese or Parish is fine. Some actually are doing it right. The glass is half empty…TRUE. But it is still Half Full in some places

Some of us have experienced both degrees of this matter. We have TRAVELED. We have experienced it and We have finally been able to see the fruits of prayer and faithfulness. We pray, we work to change what we can and God does listen. Anger is unproductive and never changed anything except to harden hearts and kill hope. If you want to change a bad situation then you need to look for good examples to use when presenting your case to the Bishop and priests in your area. And you need to pray.

Gripping is like wrestling with a pig. You get tired and dirty but the pig loves it.

 

[Dolly]

S_Corda,

Slightly OT, but are you or anyone else having trouble linking to Zenit? For the last couple weeks my bookmark for Zenit or any links I try to pull up will not go through. Just get a message that the page is unavailable, as I did with the link you posted. Any help on what I could be the problem?

 

[pnewton]

Even though I have not personally witnessed much of the abuse, the mere fact that Redemptionus Sacramentum had to be issued tells me that a problem exists somewhere.

However, are some too hard on abuse? Only if they go beyond what the Church teaches and label as abusive what the Church has okayed. I have seen that in this forum.

 

[UnknownCloud]

S_Corda said:

So have you talked to your priest about this? Have you written the bishop? See zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=52462 (“Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum on certain matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist”) and scroll down to the section called “Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters” - maybe that will help.

Yes I have spoken to my priest and DRE about it - that’s how I found out they are clearly dissenters. I have a written letter but our bishop died recently, so I have it on hold for now. I’m not certain if I should send it to Adam Cardinal Maida or not, since his is now our ordinary until we are assigned another bishop.