Some random thoughts on homosexuality

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Okay. šŸ™‚ I was about to jump in about Dumbledore is actually basically the perfect model of a person with homosexual tendencies who lives a chaste life, but I’ll refrain.

Oops. Covers head. Please don’t hit me with the newspaper.
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I won’t hit you. I agree with you 100%. But I know someone else in this thread would take it as a chance for a very long rant about the evils of Harry Potter, and there are other threads for that šŸ™‚
 
OK Both of you, I meant by that separation is this If you do not want to sin then you will separate your self from things that cause you to sin and books people movies,all things that cause you to do the thing that so easily besets you. Two gay should never live together if they want to go straight that is foolish, and very unbelievable. If they are holding hands it shows approval in their relationship and they are laughing at the church, especially if they just came out of church and did that. it has been done before in some churches and we are not watch dogs they are responsible for themselves unless one of us See’s it and we should then go to them and tell them. Jesus said render to Cesar what is his but render to God first! If we say God never changes then how come we except the most horrible things that are detestable to our Father we are going to be judges for this and we should know what God wants and how we are to react to them that are not truly of the house of God. It is hypocritical to sit with the devil in the house of God !
Dear Boxie,

Thankyou for your timely reminder of the exceeding sinfulness of sin and of the necessity of separation from all the occasions of sin. Those who continue to persist in homosexual deviant practices will not enter the kingdom of heaven; it is only those who conquer who shall be blessed with this heritage and reward, "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murders, fornicators, sorcerrers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death (i.e. eternal damnation) (Revelation 21: 7,8 parenthesis mine). Now of course it is important for us to emphasize that it is the idulgence in homosexual acts that Sacred Scripture condemns and not the inherent tendencies themselves and this is in total accord with the teaching of our Catechism

After defining the unrighteousness which debars men from any share in the heavenly inheritance in a representative list of sins, St. Paul says to the Corinthians, ā€œAnd such were some of youā€ (see I Cor. 6: 9-11). These must surely rank as six of the most exciting words in the entire bible. It is good just to pause for a while and savour the elation as St. Paul rejoices in the liberating power of God’s grace. The Church should make it abundantly clear that change is possible for those afflicted with a homosexual proclivity. Moreover, people are much more likely to change in a climate of loving acceptance than in one that has the flavour of suspicion. Thus we need to strive to be tough on the sin of homosexual abberant practice, for it is a violation of God’s moral law, yet tender in our treatment of the homosexual person, realizing that the path to holiness frequently involves three steps forward and two steps back. So let us give supportive understanding and unconditional positive regard toward those who have been converted from a homosexual llifestyle so as to encourage them in their struggle against this heinous sin.

Warmest good wishes,

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I just don’t understand how you can separate a person from his sin, because God and Jesus said No sin will get into heaven, and that he will rule with an iron fist! Can you see how strict this kingdom will be? No dogs saucers whore mongers murders, and all that live and maketh a lie. These people will not enter in. If you really love someone go and tell him he has sinned and if he doesn’t listen ate 2 more and go and tel him he has sinned and if he does not listen hand him over to satan, This is written down look it up. They have to separate themselves from sin you and i cannot. I cannot separate myself from myself can you?
When we interact with those who are sinning, we must remember how Jesus interacted with sinners. Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes. Jesus didn’t interact with these people by saying ā€œYou’re in sin, repent,ā€ but rather by first extending His love to them, then inviting them to repent. This is partly so because people such as prostitutes didn’t need Jesus to tell them that what they were doing was sinful.

Just like prostitutes in the time of Jesus, active homosexuals don’t need a Christian to tell them that homosexuality is a sin, because it’s common knowledge that Christianity is opposed to sodomy. They do need to experience Christian love, which is often witheld from them.

I recommend that everyone on here watch this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=HFKWH4d4jsw&feature=PlayList&p=AE5EB49B3BADE049&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58
 
When we interact with those who are sinning, we must remember how Jesus interacted with sinners. Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes. Jesus didn’t interact with these people by saying ā€œYou’re in sin, repent,ā€ but rather by first extending His love to them, then inviting them to repent. This is partly so because people such as prostitutes didn’t need Jesus to tell them that what they were doing was sinful.

Just like prostitutes in the time of Jesus, active homosexuals don’t need a Christian to tell them that homosexuality is a sin, because it’s common knowledge that Christianity is opposed to sodomy. They do need to experience Christian love, which is often witheld from them.

I recommend that everyone on here watch this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=HFKWH4d4jsw&feature=PlayList&p=AE5EB49B3BADE049&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58
Dear BobObob,

That the Christian Religion en masse is averse to homosexuality and speaks with one voice is, I think, an assumption that can no longer be taken for granted. It is certainly true as regards the Catholic Church (save for a few progressives) and Protestant Evangelicalism but other Protestants usually espouse a very liberal and tolerant attitude to homosexuality, notwithstanding the fact that Sacred Scripture does not sanction homosexual activity but rather condemns it in the strongest terms (e.g. Leviticus 18: 22 & I Cor. 6: 9-10).

Thus there has arisen the so called Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement which asserts, rather forcibly and sometimes even quite truculently, that a heterosexual marriage and a homosexual ā€˜partnership’ are two equally valid alternatives, being equally tender, mature and faithful. The year 1988 witnessed the Bishop John S. Spong (Anglican) of Newark, New Jersey, urging the Episcopal Church ā€œto bless and affirm the love that binds two persons of the same gender into a life-giving relationship of mutual commitmentā€. Recent developments respecting Gene Robinson have seen the fulfillment of this most impious yearning.

Sadly the religious landscape has undergone radical changes as regards attitudes towards homosexual abberant behaviour and not all Protestants are by any means singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to this issue. Alas many Protestants are proudly and actively encouraging the on-going campaign for homosexual rights and equality recognition. These are very perplexing and unsettling times and it is now already extremely difficult to denounce homosexuality from a Christian standpoint without risking prosecution or at least receiving a visit from the police and being given a rap over the knuckles regarding one’s ā€˜homophobic’ opinions.

Warmest good wishes,

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Dear Boxie,

Thankyou for your timely reminder of the exceeding sinfulness of sin and of the necessity of separation from all the occasions of sin. Those who continue to persist in homosexual deviant practices will not enter the kingdom of heaven; it is only those who conquer who shall be blessed with this heritage and reward, "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murders, fornicators, sorcerrers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death (i.e. eternal damnation) (Revelation 21: 7,8 parenthesis mine). Now of course it is important for us to emphasize that it is the idulgence in homosexual acts that Sacred Scripture condemns and not the inherent tendencies themselves and this is in total accord with the teaching of our Catechism

After defining the unrighteousness which debars men from any share in the heavenly inheritance in a representative list of sins, St. Paul says to the Corinthians, ā€œAnd such were some of youā€ (see I Cor. 6: 9-11). These must surely rank as six of the most exciting words in the entire bible. It is good just to pause for a while and savour the elation as St. Paul rejoices in the liberating power of God’s grace. The Church should make it abundantly clear that change is possible for those afflicted with a homosexual proclivity. Moreover, people are much more likely to change in a climate of loving acceptance than in one that has the flavour of suspicion. Thus we need to strive to be tough on the sin of homosexual abberant practice, for it is a violation of God’s moral law, yet tender in our treatment of the homosexual person, realizing that the path to holiness frequently involves three steps forward and two steps back. So let us give supportive understanding and unconditional positive regard toward those who have been converted from a homosexual llifestyle so as to encourage them in their struggle against this heinous sin.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait
:rolleyes:Hello, i agree with you well said. I know they can change i have herd of it before and they o quite well but they usually stay celebrant and not ever married too the opposite sex. Yes i feel that if they are really trying then to me they are not sinning and God Bless their efforts because as with any bad habits or mental problems they are hard to break or fix even with counseling or medicine But i know they have and can change it is with Love and allot of reading of the word on their part. If you really want any thing you have to work on it. Apply and Try!

God Bless you !
 
:rolleyes:Hello, i agree with you well said. I know they can change i have herd of it before and they o quite well but they usually stay celebrant and not ever married too the opposite sex. Yes i feel that if they are really trying then to me they are not sinning and God Bless their efforts because as with any bad habits or mental problems they are hard to break or fix even with counseling or medicine But i know they have and can change it is with Love and allot of reading of the word on their part. If you really want any thing you have to work on it. Apply and Try!

God Bless you !
Dear Boxie,

Thankyou most kindly for your reply to my post.

How wonderful that our God is able change the vilest offender who is truly penitent and who resolves to live a new life by His grace.

Warmest good wishes,

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PS A very warm welcome to Catholic Answers Forums:)
 
That the Christian Religion en masse is averse to homosexuality and speaks with one voice is, I think, an assumption that can no longer be taken for granted. It is certainly true as regards the Catholic Church (save for a few progressives) and Protestant Evangelicalism but other Protestants usually espouse a very liberal and tolerant attitude to homosexuality, notwithstanding the fact that Sacred Scripture does not sanction homosexual activity but rather condemns it in the strongest terms (e.g. Leviticus 18: 22 & I Cor. 6: 9-10).
Gays and lesbians are aware enough of passages that you have cited and of opposition to sodomy by the Catholic Church and many other Christians that bringing up the point that it is sinful is not presenting them any new information about the stance of the Catholic Church. If anything, it would likely make them feel attacked and drive them away. I personally know a few men who used to commit sodomy but have later repented and changed their entire lives. None of them (at least that I know of) did so because some Christian/Catholic presented them new information that homoerotic relations are sinful.
Thus there has arisen the so called Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement which asserts, rather forcibly and sometimes even quite truculently, that a heterosexual marriage and a homosexual ā€˜partnership’ are two equally valid alternatives, being equally tender, mature and faithful. The year 1988 witnessed the Bishop John S. Spong (Anglican) of Newark, New Jersey, urging the Episcopal Church ā€œto bless and affirm the love that binds two persons of the same gender into a life-giving relationship of mutual commitmentā€. Recent developments respecting Gene Robinson have seen the fulfillment of this most impious yearning.

Sadly the religious landscape has undergone radical changes as regards attitudes towards homosexual abberant behaviour and not all Protestants are by any means singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to this issue. Alas many Protestants are proudly and actively encouraging the on-going campaign for homosexual rights and equality recognition. These are very perplexing and unsettling times and it is now already extremely difficult to denounce homosexuality from a Christian standpoint without risking prosecution or at least receiving a visit from the police and being given a rap over the knuckles regarding one’s ā€˜homophobic’ opinions.
The fact that some Christians churches condone sodomy is sad. However, we need to be careful to not divide people into movements and have it be an us vs them battle. When the differences between a Catholic’s views and a practicing gay person’s views are highlighted, it creates a divide that turns the practicing gay person off from the Catholic. When, on the other hand, you establish with that actively gay man that you truly love him, he may then be open to what you have to say.
I know they can change i have herd of it before and they o quite well but they usually stay celebrant and not ever married too the opposite sex. Yes i feel that if they are really trying then to me they are not sinning and God Bless their efforts because as with any bad habits or mental problems they are hard to break or fix even with counseling or medicine But i know they have and can change it is with Love and allot of reading of the word on their part. If you really want any thing you have to work on it. Apply and Try!
I would like to emphasize that the primary reason for a homosexual to change his/her sexual orientation should be as a means to an end, chastity. One who can live a chaste life without changing their orientation does not have an obligation to change their orientation. Having a homosexual orientation is not a sin (as Cardinal Ratzinger said), although it may tempt one to sin.
How wonderful that our God is able change the vilest offender who is truly penitent and who resolves to live a new life by His grace.
By ā€œvilest offenderā€ are you talking about someone who merely has a homosexual orientation, or those who also commit sodomy?

It sickens me how many Catholics will see those who commit sodomy as ā€œthe vilest offendersā€ and spit on those people, while being understanding of those who commit heterosexual sin, which they are tempted to. Scott Hahn, who teaches at my college, has said that we judge people more for sins that we ourselves aren’t tempted to commit.

Regarding homophobia, many Catholics do have an irrational fear of homosexual persons. I have personally experienced this myself. I am a Catholic man who is attracted to other men. I am a virgin, but I know that if I committed sodomy, and people at my Catholic college found out, I would be treated much worse than someone who fornicated.

An actively gay man, if he read your post, would probably discredit everything you have to say after reading your ā€œvilest offenderā€ comment. You have to be careful about what you say and do.

Again, I highly recommend that you watch this video (if you do watch it, I would appreciate if you could mention that):
youtube.com/watch?v=HFKWH4d4jsw&feature=PlayList&p=AE5EB49B3BADE049&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58
 
Wonderful video, HORIBLE comments underneath.

But that’s YouTube for you
 
I watched the video…The guy proved by what he said that it’s NOT the gay persons fault that he’s gay and they don’t make the absolute decision to be gay.

He said it was GENES combined with environment…Genes! Exactly!

So let me ask you all…If a person was born with a genetic disorder would you call that a sin?

I have OCD which is caused by genetics and environment–The things I’m most OCD about is hygiene so if I don’t wash my hair twice in the shower and brush my teeth twice.I literally can’t leave the house until I do it or I will feel lost and sick all day.

To cope with OCD I take a pill a day…I can’t function normally without my medicine.

Homosexuals have an deep attraction to people of the same sex.If they have sex with someone of the opposite sex they don’t feel complete they feel lost.

To cope with their feelings they engage in same sex…To feel complete,so they won’t feel lost,so they won’t feel sick.

Homosexuality is a genetic disorder!..That they can’t help without medication and their medication is intimacy with people of the same sex.

I can’t feel normal without my medicine…They can’t feel normal without their medicine.

It’s not a sin to treat my OCD and it’s not looked at as a sin.

Why do we treat one thing differently than the next?

I can’t help that I’m OCD…Gays can’t help that they’re gay.
 
I watched the video…The guy proved by what he said that it’s NOT the gay persons fault that he’s gay and they don’t make the absolute decision to be gay.

He said it was GENES combined with environment…Genes! Exactly!
The guy said that genes and environment are both influences (genes more of an indirect influence than environment).

He did indicate that if someone is aware of factors prevalent in their development of SSA, they may be able to change their orientation (at least to certain degrees).
Homosexuality is a genetic disorder!..That they can’t help without medication and their medication is intimacy with people of the same sex.
I would agree with you in the sense that those with SSA need intimacy with people of the same-sex, although I disagree with you on the type of intimacy. Men with SSA often have a strong need for philia, or brotherly love, rather than what you seem to be indicating, eros.

I have SSA, and find that when I experience greater brotherly love or have greater camaraderie with other men, my SSA is not as strong. I played football in high school, and I notice that my SSA was considerably less during the football season than during the off-season when I wasn’t interacting with other men as much (I was home-schooled, but was able to lay at a local high school).

Another excellent video, in which a psychologist briefly explains in 17 minutes many prevalent factors having to do with the development of SSA, can be found on the homepage of www.homosexuality101.com.
 
Loving someone doesn’t mean you have to have sex with them. I need a deep, caring and fulfilling love with other women, but I don’t need that to be a sexual love. You wouldn’t believe how many people think my best friend and I are fraternal twin sisters or a lesbian couple because of how close, insuperable and connected we are. Now, I don’t have SSA, but I feel if I DID, I would desire this this kind of connection. Afterall, this is the sort of love and dedication I hope to have with my future husband, except that I will have a sexual attraction to him as well. But what if I never get married, God forbid? If I never get married, I will never have sex. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have deep, moving, compassionate relationships with members of the same AND opposite sex.
 
Loving someone doesn’t mean you have to have sex with them. I need a deep, caring and fulfilling love with other women, but I don’t need that to be a sexual love. You wouldn’t believe how many people think my best friend and I are fraternal twin sisters or a lesbian couple because of how close, insuperable and connected we are. Now, I don’t have SSA, but I feel if I DID, I would desire this this kind of connection. Afterall, this is the sort of love and dedication I hope to have with my future husband, except that I will have a sexual attraction to him as well. But what if I never get married, God forbid? If I never get married, I will never have sex. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have deep, moving, compassionate relationships with members of the same AND opposite sex.
I agree and I want to add that I think a desire for emotional intimacy with another person can sometimes - perhaps often - lead to premarital sex for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. There needs to be more of an emphasis on friendship in our culture instead of all the emphasis being on romance. The modern media often gives the impression that a friendship is barely worth while if you are not sleeping with the person.

Case in point: there used to be a TV show called ā€œFriends.ā€ By the last season, they had all married each other (after sleeping together first, of course).
 
Loving someone doesn’t mean you have to have sex with them. I need a deep, caring and fulfilling love with other women, but I don’t need that to be a sexual love. You wouldn’t believe how many people think my best friend and I are fraternal twin sisters or a lesbian couple because of how close, insuperable and connected we are. Now, I don’t have SSA, but I feel if I DID, I would desire this this kind of connection. Afterall, this is the sort of love and dedication I hope to have with my future husband, except that I will have a sexual attraction to him as well. But what if I never get married, God forbid? If I never get married, I will never have sex. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have deep, moving, compassionate relationships with members of the same AND opposite sex.
Did i mention Sticks come from trees?
 
Gays and lesbians are aware enough of passages that you have cited and of opposition to sodomy by the Catholic Church and many other Christians that bringing up the point that it is sinful is not presenting them any new information about the stance of the Catholic Church. If anything, it would likely make them feel attacked and drive them away. I personally know a few men who used to commit sodomy but have later repented and changed their entire lives. None of them (at least that I know of) did so because some Christian/Catholic presented them new information that homoerotic relations are sinful.

Dear BobObob,

Thankyou most kindly for your thoughtful response to my post and my apologies for not replying sooner.

First, Whilst it is quite true that many within the homosexual community may be aware of the traditional Christian opposition to homosexuality, based on the biblical data, I think it is also true to say that they are not unaware of the deep division that prevails, especially within Protestant circles, over the elucidation of the key biblical texts that treat of this subject. Alas, homosexuality, as with sexual ethics generally, has ended up in the melting pot of reinterpretation and pluralism. This has occured to such an extent that there is a fairly widespread feeling now that the Church is at last beginning to view homosexual abberant behaviour in a wholly different and, supposedly, more enlightened manner than has hitherto been the case; those who continue to espouse the traditional teaching of Sacred Scripture and the Church are gradually coming to be regarded as intransigent and intolerant fundamentalists, pathetically clinging on to obsolete and exploded theories. Thus I would contend that there is a great deal of misunderstanding and uncertainty among the homosexual community as to what the Protestant churches at least actually do authoritatively teach on this issue. Even the Catholic Church has its vociferous progressives with their clamour for change but we do, thanks be unto God, have the authorititative teaching of the Catechism with which to make our appeal.

Second, When has the biblical stance on homosexuality ever been well received by those defiantly and shamefully engaging in acts of moral depravity?; does any sinner want to be informed that what they are doing is an affront to the holiness of God and a direct assault upon His majesty? By the very nature of the case it is exceedingly difficult not to offend homosexual offenders if one does not mince one’s words, but that should not deter the Church from making its appeal to Sacred Scripture and Tradition in support of its condemnation of homosexual acts, as it indeed does in the Catechism footnotes for para. 2357. It is by so doing that men are convinced of their sin and, hopefully, brought to a state of penitence whereby they will seek God’s forgiveness. Needless to say this will be done in a caring and compassionate manner and one will always strive to speak the truth of God’s word in love. Having said that we cannot withhold unpalatable truth out of some misguided notion of charity or a morbid fear that we might drive them away; we would not entertain such thoughts with regards to other moral issues such as Abortion, why should we do so with homosexuality?

Third, When I used the term ā€˜vilest offender’ It was said with reference to those to engage in homosexual acts of depravity. Moreover, I would also have employed such a term to describe other sins (e.g child abuse) and would not apply it soley to homosexual offenders. The words occur in a well known hymn, To God be the glory great things He hath done, by Fanny Crosby and I have actually sung it in a Catholic church!:
Code:
                          The vilest offender who truly believes,
                          That moment from Jesus a pardon receives.
Fourth, It is indeed unfortunate that some Christians have a tendency to judge homosexual sin harshly but appear quite unconcerned about hetrosexual transgressions. This is clearly inexcusable and smacks of double standards. Moreover, I think that some are equally guilty of approaching homosexuality from a self-righteous attitude. They act as if this sin is greater than their own, emitting a language of hostility, mockery and anger which sadly does alienate the very people that they are seeking to help. Personally speaking I hope I would always be a Christlike friend to those struggling with a homosexual proclivity.

Fifth, With many Christians I do not think it is a case of an irrational fear of homosexual individuals as such, more a fear, often coupled with anger, at the militant tendencies of many homosexuals to normalize their aberrant behaviour and indoctrinate even the very young and impressionable by means of politically correct educational teaching in schools. Sometimes this regrettable response is regarded as the equivalent to homophobia when in point of fact it is merely a well-founded fear about the inroads of homosexual propaganda and activism in our contemporary culture.

Perhaps if we open our eyes to see the pain and potential for lust in all of us, and if we allow the depth of our own sin to humble us, we can reach out with a true compassion and create a context where individuals will feel at ease to reveal their homosexual struggles, hear God’s truth and so find hope.

Warmest good wishes,

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Third, When I used the term ā€˜vilest offender’ It was said with reference to those to engage in homosexual acts of depravity. Moreover, I would also have employed such a term to describe other sins (e.g child abuse) and would not apply it soley to homosexual offenders.
I think child abuse is much ā€œvilerā€ than homosexual activity between consenting adults. Child abuse violates the most innocent and vulnerable human beings without their consent and scars them for life.

I’m not saying that sexual sins involving consent - whether homosexual or heterosexual - are not sinful and serious or that they don’t do damage, but child abuse is a form of sexual violence perpetrated on the helpless. If you cannot see that that is worse, I don’t know what to say.
 
Being the insomniac that I am, my late nights laying awake in bed allow me plenty of extra time to think, and last night, my throughts wandered into homosexuality.

Now, I can’t speeak for all places everywhere, but from what I see in my everyday life and a little bit on some forums here, homosexuality seems to be, like, THE topic right now. And with all the media coverage on same sex marriage and gay rights, it’s understandable. But one thing I’ve noticed among many Christians I know is that they seem to have a very hard tie following ā€œlove the sinner, hate the sinā€ when it comes to homosexuality.

People I know have no problem showing love and acceptance to people cohabiting, to people divorced, to those struggleing with various addictions. But with homosexuals, I find it sort of sad that the same open arms seem to close, as though people with SSA are carrying a particularly bad strain of the plague.

I wondered why this was. One of the answers I thought of was that homosexuality is one of the few sins that DEFINES a person. Yes, this is often by their own doing, choosing to live an openly gay lifestyle, but just because some of them choose to identify themselves by their sin doesn’t mean we should. Why is it so hard for many of us to see the person behind SSA? It’s one thing to revile their choices, it’s another to revile them. I know this isn’t everyone, but I’ve met people who won’t even greet a person they know is in a homosexual relationship, which I just find to be…well, hurtful.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you find it harder to be accepting of certain people, moreso than others?
My dear friend

I have no problem with a person with homosexual tendancies but if they act on them and live a gay lifestyle then I don’t want to associate with them. It’s too unnatural for me and is one of the sins considered so bad by God it cries out to heaven for vengeance. It’s a mental illness and doctors should treat people instead of encoraging it. It’s a sinful lifestyle so bad if practised to be quite honest it’s not far behind beastiality in my view it’s that unnatural. Just my view.

God bless you:thumbsup:šŸ™‚

John
 
I think child abuse is much ā€œvilerā€ than homosexual activity between consenting adults. Child abuse violates the most innocent and vulnerable human beings without their consent and scars them for life.

I’m not saying that sexual sins involving consent - whether homosexual or heterosexual - are not sinful and serious or that they don’t do damage, but child abuse is a form of sexual violence perpetrated on the helpless. If you cannot see that that is worse, I don’t know what to say.
Dear student09,

What I would say by way of reply is that our own subjective opinion as to what renders one sin more morally depraved than another is really of little consequence. It is God’s own estimate of individual sins that really counts, not fallen man’s. However without wishing to become involved in discussions about what sin is more loathsome than another, I think we can at least both agree that child sexual abuse and homosexual practices are both very vile sins to God who is ā€œā€¦of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look upon wrongā€ (Habakkuk 1; 13).

Warmest good wishes,

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My dear friend

I have no problem with a person with homosexual tendancies but if they act on them and live a gay lifestyle then I don’t want to associate with them. It’s too unnatural for me and is one of the sins considered so bad by God it cries out to heaven for vengeance. It’s a mental illness and doctors should treat people instead of encoraging it. It’s a sinful lifestyle so bad if practised to be quite honest it’s not far behind beastiality in my view it’s that unnatural. Just my view.

God bless you:thumbsup:šŸ™‚

John
Dear John,

What is very interesting is that the bible’s condemnation of beastiality comes immediately after its condemnation of homosexuality (see Leviticus 18: 22-23). Now hardly any civilised man could be found, even in our decadent age, normalizing beastiality but many are to be found championing the cause of homosexuality and seeking to make it an acceptable alternative lifestyle, yet both are equally condemned by God in the very same chapter of Sacred Scripture. That surely should cause us to pause for thought.

Warmest good wishes,

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Dear student09,

What I would say by way of reply is that our own subjective opinion as to what renders one sin more morally depraved than another is really of little consequence. It is God’s own estimate of individual sins that really counts, not fallen man’s. However without wishing to become involved in discussions about what sin is more loathsome than another, I think we can at least both agree that child sexual abuse and homosexual practices are both very vile sins to God who is ā€œā€¦of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look upon wrongā€ (Habakkuk 1; 13).
Well, you used the term ā€œvilestā€ which is a superlative and hence implies comparison. I don’t want to talk about where sins fall on the loathsome scale, either. All sin is infinitely removed from God and offensive to God. Considering the issue from this point of view, one should also say that insulting another person is a very vile sin to God. Willfully missing Mass on Sunday is a very vile sin to God. Harboring uncharitable thoughts towards another person is a very vile sin to God and people who have uncharitable thoughts towards others are the vilest offenders. Correct?
 
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