Some Respectfull Questions for Muslims

[trdchubi]

There is no record of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) opposing polygamy. If he did so, it would have meant that the condemned the practice of the prophets before him. There are a number of examples of polygamous marriages among the prophets recorded in the Torah. Prophet Abraham had two wives, according to Genesis 16:13:** “So after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to Abram her husband as a wife.”** So Prophet David, according to the first book of Samuel 27:3, “And David dwelt with Achish at Gat, he and his men, every man with his household, and David with his two wives, Ahin’o-am of Jezreel, and Abigail of Carmel, Nabal’s widow.”

In 1st Kings 11:3, Solomon is said to have “…had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.” Solomon’s son, Rehobo’am, also had a number of wives, according to 2nd Chronicles 11:21,** “Rehobo’am loved Ma’acah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and concubines (he took eighteen wives and sixty concubines, and had twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters).”**

In fact, the Torah even specified laws regarding the division of inheritance in polygamous circumstances. In Deuteronomy 21:15-16, the law states: “15 If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other disliked, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the disliked, and if the first-born son is hers that is disliked, 16then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the first-born in preference to the son of the disliked, who is the first-born.”

The only restriction on polygamy was the ban on taking a wife’s sister as a rival wife in Leviticus 18:18, “And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is yet alive.” The Talmud advises a maximum of four wives as was the practice of Prophet Jacob.

Have you considered that God chose the Israelites to be the bearer of his promises and covenant. Throughout history, the Jews were oppressed from the fledgling group of Abraham and his seed, Isaac and the twelve tribes of Israel. They are small in numbers and were nomadic during those times, an easy prey for any nation who wants them destroyed.

If in this case God chose a nation to bring forth the message of His Godship, He would certainly device a way to preserve the people he dearly selected.

Polygamy were practiced but not sanctioned, for the simple reason of the preserving the race of His people. Its simple math, the enemies of God’s chosen people are many and practice multiple espousal. If the Israelites will not practice the same, the number of people fighting for Israel will be insignificant.

However, God gave us the free will to act on our own accord. Even if we fail to do what he instruct us i.e polygamous relationships, he already know what he will do next. Our God is ten steps ahead or more from our very acts. He sees the big picture. Everything happens for a reason. And our God knows His very reasons.

 

[hamba2han]

So what you are saying here is to disregard all Christian beliefs which teaches us that the God of Salvation is loving, kind and selfless in ways that He gave His Son to give us life in exchange for a god you say is really a terrorist who wants everybody to rot in hell?

So you are saying that the God who made his Son die for all mankind has the attributes of satan? Maybe your god is different from what the Jews and Christians believe in?

Do Christians and Jews believe that Hell came into existence by being ‘created’… OR did it come about through a process of ‘evolution’??

What I am saying is that the One who created Hell will have no qualms about sending many of His creations to the Hell-fire because this is indeed what He Himself has said in the scriptures.

And therefore, in light of what is actually written in the Bible, would it make any sense at all for the Creator of Hell to NOT have the heart to send the undeserving of His creations to Hell but instead would leave it to these creations to send themselves to the Hell-fire as what many if not most faithful Christians say will happen on the Day of Judgment?

 

[cathopologist]

And therefore, in light of what is actually written in the Bible, would it make any sense at all for the Creator of Hell to NOT have the heart to send the undeserving of His creations to Hell but instead would leave it to these creations to send themselves to the Hell-fire as what many if not most faithful Christians say will happen on the Day of Judgment?

Lets just leave God out of the picture for a very hypothetical scenario. Lets say you are an Atheist and you were in a bar arguing with a friend over something trivial. However, the arguement escalated into a violent fight and finally you had enough and ended his life with a broken bottle. You just murdered a man and you know its against the law. Eventually you get caught and spend the rest of your existence rotting in prison. Who would you blame for taking the life of an innocent? The man you killed or the law or yourself for allowing anger to cloud your moral judgment?

 

[hamba2han]

Lets just leave God out of the picture for a very hypothetical scenario. Lets say you are an Atheist and you were in a bar arguing with a friend over something trivial. However, the arguement escalated into a violent fight and finally you had enough and ended his life with a broken bottle. You just murdered a man and you know its against the law. Eventually you get caught and spend the rest of your existence rotting in prison. Who would you blame for taking the life of an innocent? The man you killed or the law or yourself for allowing anger to cloud your moral judgment?

I am not sure where you are going with this line of argument but to answer your question → I would blame myself… but I would certainly NOT send myself to prison because in my own moral judgment, I would not deserve the punishment for the crime due to extenuating circumstances.

 

[cathopologist]

I am not sure where you are going with this line of argument but to answer your question → I would blame myself… but I would certainly NOT send myself to prison because in my own moral judgment, I would not deserve the punishment for the crime due to extenuating circumstances.

Okay. As a Muslim, would you still blame yourself for your actions? Would you still feel guilty and hand yourself over to law enforcement officers or would you still feel you do not deserve the punishment? I will let you know where i am going with this as soon as i have your response.

 

[hamba2han]

I am merely pointing to the God who the Bible itself describes will send many of His creations to the Hell-fire.

And so, would you reject the God of the Bible?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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…you don’t realize that having sex with a person who has no say in the matter is rape is sad given the fact that you are a woman yourself.

OT is a holy book to both Jewish & Christians women. OT allowed war , slavery , concubines etc. So , u think all Jewish & Christians women will leave their religion ?

 

[hamba2han]

Okay. As a Muslim, would you still blame yourself for your actions? Would you still feel guilty and hand yourself over to law enforcement officers or would you still feel you do not deserve the punishment? I will let you know where i am going with this as soon as i have your response.

As a Muslim, I would certainly blame myself because what I did was against the teachings of Islam.

However, in your original question, you asked what I would do as an atheist… and as an atheist, that would indeed be my own moral judgment because it would truly be what I believe to be the most fair judgment of all.

 

[trdchubi]

Do Christians and Jews believe that Hell

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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… By using your logic, I can say that Adam & Eve – a monogamous couple, caused the downfall of the entire human race.

haha funny

If Jacob didn’t marry 4 wives, we wouldn’t have had the 12 tribes of Israel. Clearly something that was in God’s plan.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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I have called a Muslim a liar for saying Jesus allowed polygamy in the Bible…

but it’s true that Jesus (p) allowed polygamy in OT . If u want to say that he did not do that in NT , then u are calling your Lord a liar . Jesus (p) said : Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law …Mathew

 

[trdchubi]

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but it’s true that Jesus (p) allowed polygamy in OT . If u want to say that he did not do that in NT , then u are calling your Lord a liar . Jesus (p) said : Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law …Mathew

This is misleading, where did Jesus say that in the Old Testament?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Of course all Christians understand that the Old T figures did in fact commit sins and were far from perfect.

why all Christians think so ? Jesus (p) condemned the OT figures ?

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… own slaves and rape them (all sex with a person who has no right to refuse is rape) to deny this fact.

when Muhammed (p) conquered Macca , he could have raped each & every pagan women. Not a single woman was raped. Is not it enough to prove that he never forced any woman ?

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[Muslim_Woman]

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This is misleading, where did Jesus say that in the Old Testament?

strange ; I have to remind Christians that to them Jesus (p) is God. So , if OT is from God , it means Jesus (p) allowed all these wars , kilings , rules how to treat another wife , first born son of the wife whom he dislikes must not be deprived from his rights etc etc came from Jesus (p) . Why it’s so difficult to understand ?

 

[trdchubi]

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strange ; I have to remind Christians that to them Jesus (p) is God. So , if OT is from God , it means Jesus (p) allowed all these wars , kilings , rules how to treat another wife , first born son of the wife whom he dislikes must not be deprived from his rights etc etc came from Jesus (p) . Why it’s so difficult to understand ?

The Old Testament is often misread and misunderstood. Just like you, many Christian questions this God because of His violent acts in the OT.

You should assess the old testament God first before you draw your conclusions. One must know the logical reasons behind His actions, and the causes that made him do the actions in the first place. And every verse that is in question as violent has also an corresponding circumstance to justify it.

 

[trdchubi]

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but it’s true that Jesus (p) allowed polygamy in OT . If u want to say that he did not do that in NT , then u are calling your Lord a liar . Jesus (p) said : Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law …Mathew

Actually God did not allowed polygamy. The verses of Exodus 21:10, 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3 are actions made by persons which were not sanctioned by God. It is on the individuals own accord but not God’s will.

Genesis 2:24 says that “For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife (not wives); and they shall become one flesh (not multiple fleshes)” God intention is for One man and One woman as partners in life.

and regarding the Matthew 19:1-12 Did you get your argument from a sex starve, i-want-all- women-to-be-my-whore-writer from www.answering-christianity.com.

I tell you that a fourth grader will be able to comprehend what Jesus is saying in that verse clearly compared to that pervert muslim writer who wants to promote his carnal desires in the expense of the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Truly manipulative

 

[cathopologist]

As a Muslim, I would certainly blame myself because what I did was against the teachings of Islam.

However, in your original question, you asked what I would do as an atheist… and as an atheist, that would indeed be my own moral judgment because it would truly be what I believe to be the most fair judgment of all.

…but instead would leave it to these creations to send themselves

to the Hell-fire as what many if not most faithful Christians say will happen on the Day of Judgment?*

In response to your quote above (highlighted in red):
This is exactly why Christians believe in Free Will. It is not God who wants to send us to Hell-fire, but ourselves when we choose to stray from Him. You can be a morally inclined Agnostic, Atheist, Christian, Hindu or Muslim - it really does not matter. God is a loving God and He gave us the freedom to choose what we want to do in our lifetimes. Therefore, we only have ourselves to blame if we make irrational decisions. Then in this case, we would deserve the Hell-fire that awaits.

Your response from an Atheist’s perspective is interesting as well. Many Muslim extremists or Mujahadeen think the same way you answered.

 

[severntofall]

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OT is a holy book to both Jewish & Christians women. OT allowed war , slavery , concubines etc. So , u think all Jewish & Christians women will leave their religion ?

I know that most Chistian understands that such behavior was wrong and indefensible, and that the chracters of the OT committed sins. Point blank, I don’t care what Moses and Abraham and Soloman did in the OT, do you think it is wrong to own sex slaves and to kill unarmed men and to launch attacks on unsuspecting villiages?

 

[hamba2han]

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In response to your quote above (highlighted in red):
This is exactly why Christians believe in Free Will. It is not God who wants to send us to Hell-fire, but ourselves when we choose to stray from Him. You can be a morally inclined Agnostic, Atheist, Christian, Hindu or Muslim - it really does not matter. God is a loving God and He gave us the freedom to choose what we want to do in our lifetimes. Therefore, we only have ourselves to blame if we make irrational decisions. Then in this case, we would deserve the Hell-fire that awaits.

Your response from an Atheist’s perspective is interesting as well. Many Muslim extremists or Mujahadeen think the same way you answered.

On the Day of Judgment, would the creations still have free will when they stand before their Creator?

If your answer is ‘No’, then Who is it that will be sending many of them to the Hell-fire?

I cannot even imagine anyone who is still having a free will to willingly send himself to the Fire, especially when he or she starts to feel the unimaginably intense heat and sees Hell up close for the first time.

Nay… common sense tells me that only the Greatest Terrorist there is would be the One who will send countless billions of His creations to a place as unimaginably horrifying as Hell.

 

[severntofall]

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why all Christians think so ? Jesus (p) condemned the OT figures ?

No he didn’t, but I’m an agnostic and this contadicts none of my positions.

when Muhammed (p) conquered Macca , he could have raped each & every pagan women. Not a single woman was raped. Is not it enough to prove that he never forced any woman ?

Sadly for you, I’ve read much about Muhammed in the hadith. It speaks openly about his sexual behavior with sex slaves (aka concubines). The fact that he didn’t, on this one occasion, rape every woman in Macca proves nothing. He owned female slaves and he used them for sex. He forced a Jewish woman, who’s husband he had just killed, to marry him and forced himself upon her very much against her wishes. Again, you are only lying to yourself. Your own holy texts betray your efforts (as does the OT for Christians and Jews).

Again, to you and all Muslim posters here, I respect your efforts and honestly view you as good people; however, I think your time would be best spend convincing your fellow Muslims to live the life of peace that you claim your faith demands. Become a voice of peace within your faith, rather than attempting to convince us that Islam is the religion of peace. We will be convinced when we see proof of it this claim, not a moment sooner.

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