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guanophore
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How did the books of the NT get into the Bible?
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medwigel
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medwigel
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No, “sola Scripture” relies on Christ and not the teaching traditions of men.
I would say it is more faithful to Christ’s teaching and his Word.
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medwigel
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And you have a lot to learn about the Bible.
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medwigel
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Not all Protestants observe the Lord’s Day on Sunday.
And the reason why many Protestants continue to believe in the Trinity is because it can be found in the Bible.
The Protestants started by divesting themselves of false teaching and doctrine, so they went through a process of “vetting” what the Catholic church was teaching against the Word of God in the Bible.
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Actually, they have not. These scholars have all accepted the Sacred Tradition about the Trinity.
Most Protestants have no clue how much of what they believe has been received by them through the Sacred Tradition. This includes the creeds, and how the NT canon was even formed.
Except that it IS a tradition of men, coined some 1500 years after the facts. I know those who espouse it believe they are relying on Christ, but many do not know how much of what they receive is actually the tradition of men.
Of course you would! If not, you could not espouse it, in good conscience.
and that would be what, medwigel? Where Scripture states that it is the “sole infallible rule of faith”, for example? If so, you are right, because I have never found this in the Bible. It is odd to me that an entire tradition exists around something that is not found in Scripture.
There are some small minority of Sabbatarians. These people will show you that God never changed the Sabbath, or told Christians to stop observing it.
po18guy
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Logical fallacy once again. You are imputing meaning and intent where none exists. You cannot twist a live authority who is teaching you, as you are directly corrected, right? SS takes easily twisted written words, separates them from the inspired writers and their authoritative successors, and uses the individual ego to invent doctrine out of whole cloth. Hundreds of denominations stand as stark evidence of this.
You have not studied the reformation, have you? Look at the immediate splits between 100% of the reformers - and why they split. All had the exact same bible.
Egos clashed.
You have not studied the reformation, have you? Look at the immediate splits between 100% of the reformers - and why they split. All had the exact same bible.
Egos clashed.
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medwigel
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No, they have done their own study and come up with the same conclusion.
There are tons of non-Catholic scholars who have studied the Bible and have found the truth.
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guanophore
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They have studied through a certain lens, medwigel. That lens shows them the Trinity in Scripture. Those who are not wearing that pair of glasses can’t see it.
Perhaps you can point me to one such scholar?
Of course! The NT is the Word of God! How can they not find His Truth in it? It is not a full compendium of HIs revelation, but is is Truth.
Many of them don’t realize that the New Testament was written by, for, and about Catholics. They just don’t allow this to enter into their reckoning.
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medwigel
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I daresay it is you as Catholics who have the egos.
You refuse to accept that what was being taught was wrong. Your ego doesn’t allow you to relinquish the overriding authority in the things of God to God’s Word. You want to give man credit instead of God all the credit.
Even the apostles never touted their own authority, they always referred back to God.
Yeah, it’s ego indeed when you must “verify” or “legitimize” God’s teaching with man made traditions.
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medwigel
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Speaking of egos, the NT was written by, for and about CHRISTIANS.Many of them don’t realize that the New Testament was written by, for, and about Catholics. They just don’t allow this to enter into their reckoning.
Again, please find me the word “Catholic” in the Scripture.
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Jesus & Paul used oral Jewish tradition, where are the following written in the OT?
[Mt 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.]
Find in the Old Testament, Moses’ seat, you wont as it is OT oral tradition, that Jesus quotes.
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1Cor10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.] Where does the OT tell us the rock followed them, Its does’nt, it is an OT oral tradition.
Jude used an oral Jewish tradition: Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you! Find in the OT, were it is said Michael con contended over Moses’ body.
[Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,] Where does the OT quote Enoch as prophesing this.]
[2Tim 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.] Find the names Jannes and Jambres in the OT, you wont it is OT oral tradition.
Jmcrae: Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring you ought to support the weak and to remember the word of the Lord Jesus, how he said: It is a more blessed thing to give, rather than to receive.
How did St. Paul know Christ said it was more blessed to give than to receive? It’s not written anywhere else in the Bible! St. Paul was not an eyewitness to Christ. St. Paul could only have known this through oral tradition.
[Mt 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.]
Find in the Old Testament, Moses’ seat, you wont as it is OT oral tradition, that Jesus quotes.
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1Cor10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.] Where does the OT tell us the rock followed them, Its does’nt, it is an OT oral tradition.
Jude used an oral Jewish tradition: Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you! Find in the OT, were it is said Michael con contended over Moses’ body.
[Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,] Where does the OT quote Enoch as prophesing this.]
[2Tim 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.] Find the names Jannes and Jambres in the OT, you wont it is OT oral tradition.
Jmcrae: Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring you ought to support the weak and to remember the word of the Lord Jesus, how he said: It is a more blessed thing to give, rather than to receive.
How did St. Paul know Christ said it was more blessed to give than to receive? It’s not written anywhere else in the Bible! St. Paul was not an eyewitness to Christ. St. Paul could only have known this through oral tradition.
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jlhargus
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Wow, I see you have no answers whatsoever. He only knows it’s the Bible by Tradition and certainly not by scripture alone. You don’t even follow bible alone you go outside the bible teach a tradition of men.
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Jesus & Paul used oral Jewish tradition[/b], where are the following written in the OT?
[Mt 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.]
Find in the Old Testament, Moses’ seat, you wont as it is OT oral tradition, that Jesus quotes.
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1Cor10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.] Where does the OT tell us the rock followed them, Its does’nt, it is an OT oral tradition.
Jude used an oral Jewish tradition: Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you! Find in the OT, were it is said Michael con contended over Moses’ body.
[Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,] Where does the OT quote Enoch as prophesing this.]
[2Tim 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.] Find the names Jannes and Jambres in the OT, you wont it is OT oral tradition.
Jmcrae: Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring you ought to support the weak and to remember the word of the Lord Jesus, how he said: It is a more blessed thing to give, rather than to receive.
How did St. Paul know Christ said it was more blessed to give than to receive? It’s not written anywhere else in the Bible! St. Paul was not an eyewitness to Christ. St. Paul could only have known this through oral tradition.
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medwigel
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No, you just don’t agree with my answers.
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jlhargus
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You got that right you don’t even have answersjlhargus:
No, you just don’t agree with my answers.
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medwigel
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Then maybe you should stop asking questions.
If you don’t like what I have to say stop commenting on my posts; you do have free will you know.
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Sean77
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Again, you quoted scripture to demonstrate the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Additionally, Christ frequently taught against sacred tradition rather than upholding it, demonstrating that sacred tradition does not carry an infallible authority.
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