paul c:
Lets review the passages you quote:
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession,
to the praise of His glory.
Note, this doesn’t talk about covering future sins, In fact, it says it is the first installment of our inheritance. This is the exact opposite of what you were claiming. It is not Once save only saved, it is the first installment toward redemption. You have to do God’s will to get to heaven.
Well Paul, I cited specific passages, for
each point that I made; so you’re right, Eph 1: 13-14, says nothing about future sins, but supports the point concerning the sealing of the Spirit; do you understand?
And it’s not a “first installment,” but an “
arrhabōn,” an “earnest,” or part payment in advance for security. That’s another part of the good news of the Gospel, and it’s God who makes the earnest, not me. He’s the guarantor of the
not fading away spot He’s reserved for me in heaven” (1 Pet 1:3-5), and not me. Again, more good news.
Forgive me, but the “good news” you’re wanting me to believe, is not good news at all AFAIC.
Romans 7: 1-6 Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives?
Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man. In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.
paul c said:
Note how we are saved to do bear fruit for God and to serve. Both are doing the will of God. This passage says nothing about being forgiven for future sins. It says, instead that we are made into a new life to do the will of God.
And that’s not the only place in scripture that states one is saved to do good works; is it? :nope:
However, That’s not the point I’m making from the passage. The point I’m making from that passage, once again because you missed it the first time, is that once one believes, he’s alive to Christ, and dead to the law—the law has no claim upon him any longer. More good news.
You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. And even when you were dead (in) transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
he brought you to life along with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions; having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
paul c said:
Note, this says nothing about forgiveness for future sins either. It, in fact, says that you need to be baptized to be raised with Jesus through Faith.
Look at all the wonderful things the Father has done for His adopted children. It’s truly
amazing! :extrahappy:
Again, there are other areas in Scripture that speak to the obligation of a believer to be baptized, but that’s not the purpose for my citing the passage.
The passage states that
all of my transgressions were forgiven on the cross. That’s a comprehensive statement, seeing as how I was predestined
in Christ before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:1ff; cf Rom 8:29).
At that time, all of my life was yet future, and yet, God knew what all my life would be, including my as yet uncommitted sins—each and every one of my transgressions.
Not only that, Paul reiterates what he said in Romans 7; namely, the law can’t touch me anymore! I’ve died to the law! There’s no more guilt ever! God is not a welsher! God is faithful! And the promies of God are not “yes, and no,” but “YES” (2 Cor 1:18-20)! More good news!
paul c:
So I guess I couldn’t have picked three passages myself that would tell the Story of salvation.
It’s all about you, Paul.
Would that you would have taken the time to understand my position, rather than being concerned only with stating yours (which I’m familiar with), thereby insuring your continuation in ignorance of all that I’ve said, or will say.
I’ve taken the time to buy, read, mark-up and post-it, a copy of the CCC so that I made have some understanding of what you believe, and so that I might attempt to make somewhat reasonable, albeit sometimes heated criticisms against that with which I disagree.
paul c:
You need to be baptized to gain the first installment of redemption after which you need to serve God and bear good fruit to gain the full redemption of Christ.
No you don’t Paul, you must first believe, and you can’t believe without having the Spirit (1 Cor 2:14; 1 Cor 12:3; cf Eph 1:13ff).
Baptism is subsequent to belief, read Acts: repent, believe, be baptized.
paul c:
In fact, these passages contradict your OSAS theology. Can you see this now?
All you’ve done, AFAIC, is state your position.
