He approved the use of girl alter servers but the preference should be shown to boys.If you can’t provide me the proof then, I’ll continue to believe that Pope John Paul never approved Communion in the Hand or Altar Girls…
And Communion in the hand can also be found in the same document:
Actually…His Birth and Death are part of Scripture…that which He passed on by Word of mouth to His followers is called Tradition…Both Scripture and Tradition , i.e.,Divine Revelation were CLOSED at the time of St John the Apostle’s death.One thing I would like add. some here complain of tradition. That is part of Church teaching, which we must believe.
Christ’s Birth, Death, is part of tradition, Holy Scripture, the Mass, Easter, Christmas, etc. If we did away with tradition we would not have a Church left.
Well, lookout! Here it comes!
Yup. Born and raised! :tiphat:
Exactly! God is changing things!
Holy Mother Church recognizes the validity of those ordinations, though they were illegally done, in precisely the same way that she recognizes the validity of Eastern Orthodox ordinations. Both the EO and the SSPX indisputably have apostolic succession, in the eyes of Holy Mother Church. Archbishop Lefebreve did not break with apostolic succession, though, by his disobedient and schismatic act of consecrating bishops without reference to the Holy See, he DID break communion with the Supreme Pontiff.Well, lookout! Here it comes!
Perhaps I am confused on this point, but this was my understanding. In order to perform valid sacraments, one must be a valid priest, right?
1576 Since the sacrament of Holy Orders is the sacrament of the apostolic ministry, it is for the bishops as the successors of the apostles to hand on the “gift of the Spirit,” the "apostolic line."Validly ordained bishops, i.e., those who are in the line of apostolic succession, validly confer the three degrees of the sacrament of Holy Orders.
1559 In our day, the lawful ordination of a bishop requires a special intervention of the Bishop of Rome, because he is the supreme visible bond of the communion of the particular Churches in the one Church and the guarantor of their freedom.
Lefebvre broke away from the succession of the apostles AND he had no permission from the pope. Therefore the men Lefebvre ordained were not validly ordained and the men those men ordained were not validly ordained. The only valid priests in the SSPX church are those that were validly ordained and then went over to the SSPX church.
But even if I am just horribly confused and it is indeed still valid, it is still illicit, which means you shouldn’t be doing it! There’s no use arguing that it’s okay to go if you can prove it’s valid because you’ve been told by the Pope, who was given authority by God (“Whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven…”), not to go! We are supposed to be obedient and honor our Father and Mother, including Father God, Mother Mary, Mother Church, and Father Pope.
Color me embarrassed.Happens to all of us.Got it!
I guess I don’t know everything.
Oh I thought Paul VI told us his reforms were in no way different from those of Pope Saint Pius the Fifth’s.Actually…His Birth and Death are part of Scripture…that which He passed on by Word of mouth to His followers is called Tradition…Both Scripture and Tradition , i.e.,Divine Revelation were CLOSED at the time of St John the Apostle’s death.
The way in which the Mass is celebrated has many traditions…small t…not to be confused with Divine Revelation. The Didache has one of the earliest forms of Mass…very much like the venerable Mass of Pope Paul Vl
Perhaps he meant that the authority to MAKE the reforms was the same (it was).Oh I thought Paul VI told us his reforms were in no way different from those of Pope Saint Pius the Fifth’s.
What was established magisterially in “faith and morals” by one Pope cannot be changed by another Pope.
Quite right. But the disciplines of the Mass fall under just THAT: discipline. I assume you’re refering to Quo Primum? Pope St. Pius did not have the authority to bind future popes with regards to future disciplines, ie, the missal could not be changed or modified (subsequent popes did so, even before VII), it HAD to be in Latin (subsequent popes have allowed Mass in the vernacular even before VII), or that that particular missal could not be supressed (future popes COULD do just that, it falls within their authority).
NOPE. The Bishop only stated that they are excommunicated by adhering to the SSPX faith, he did not excommunicate them. The status of the SSPX priests ordained by the SSPX bishops who were ordained by Bishop Levebre against the wishes of the Holy Father and thus outside of the line of authority established by Jesus Christ himself is the same everywhere, even the moon.
The Institute of the Good Shephard’s own superior said that (the confessions and marraiges you falsely label as “invalid”) is incorrect. I’ll take Father’s word over your’s,
If we’re talking about the Lincoln diocese’s excommunications, they were upheld by the Vatican unlike the Hawaiin ones.
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