Someone says not to judge a transexual or his/her lifestyle

[AgnosticBoy]

Not sure it’s legitimate to call another person’s mental disorder a sin for which we all suffer, but I am certain that anyone who thinks suffering is about worrying what others may or may not be doing in the privacy of their own homes, should visit Syria to see real suffering.

The OED defines transsexual as “a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex”.

Imho if you’re trained to counsel someone suffering such confusion, you give them compassion, and if you’re not trained then don’t meddle, as it may do them more harm than good.

I think we can divide this into two issues. One relates to doctrine and the other is about behavior. I think a Christian is within his or her rights to say whether or not if being transgender is a sin based on Christian teaching x, y, z. Afterall, the transgender person did make an assertion that involves Christian doctrine. However, I agree with you that going beyond that by using religion to explain and treat the problem that involves a potential mental illness can be harmful.

 

[Churros]

Hola, no I don’t think it’s fair to judge trans people. I mean, if someone is a transsexual, and they are an adult and it is their full consent to be that way without co-ercion then they are probably nice people, and maybe suffering. We should treat them kindly as our neighbor but not condone or endorse it. If they are engaged in the LGBT lifestyle and having casual sex, they are living in sin. That’s not being judgemental, it’s just telling the truth. Now, I do have a very big problem with this new generation of progressive/feminist parenting where they indoctrinate their children into liberalism very young and now a days we are seeing 10 year olds who are claimed to be ‘transsexual’. That, to me is child abuse. It’s brain washing a child to be something they couldn’t possibly comprehend for the sake of media attention, or progressiveness and to been as warriors for equality. It’s only a recent phenomenon. You didn’t hear about 10 year old transsexual’s back in the 80’s or 90’s when I was a kid.

 

[MPat]

(I’m so sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I’m still new when it comes to recognizing different forum categories.)

This friend I have is a non-denomination Christian. She says all people cannot judge a transexual as a person, nor his/her lifestyle, and she quotes Matthew 7:1-5:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

She also says that as long as that person ain’t hurting anybody else, we can’t stick our noses into his/her business, that it is his/her life, and we can’t tell these people that what they’re doing is wrong. She also says that there are only positive and negative opinions, and there is no “evil” per se. She didn’t exactly say there isn’t evil, but I asked her if “evil” is just an opinion, and she answered with something I wasn’t quite satisfied with.

How can I refute this? Again, she’s not a Catholic, just a non-denomination Christian.

There might be an option to “probe” by asking if she is not judging you.

Of course, it is unlikely that she will actually stop, but it might provoke her to try to give a definition of “judging”.

 

[Mystic_Rose_1]

Just as being gay is not a sin, neither is being transgender. If one is not living a chaste life, that is another matter. People are quick to condemn transgender individuals without taking time to try and understand and to demonstrate compassion.

 

[buffalo]

We can always judge actions.

Psychiatry Professor: ‘Transgenderism’ Is Mass Hysteria Similar To 1980s-Era Junk Science

 

[rinnie]

(I’m so sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I’m still new when it comes to recognizing different forum categories.)

This friend I have is a non-denomination Christian. She says all people cannot judge a transexual as a person, nor his/her lifestyle, and she quotes Matthew 7:1-5:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

She also says that as long as that person ain’t hurting anybody else, we can’t stick our noses into his/her business, that it is his/her life, and we can’t tell these people that what they’re doing is wrong. She also says that there are only positive and negative opinions, and there is no “evil” per se. She didn’t exactly say there isn’t evil, but I asked her if “evil” is just an opinion, and she answered with something I wasn’t quite satisfied with.

How can I refute this? Again, she’s not a Catholic, just a non-denomination Christian.

Part of what she said is true, no one can pass judgement over another person, God is who does that. With that said we are told to pray for the person who is sinning and try to bring their sin to light, so they can get it right and confess.

We are taught to condemn the sin, love the sinner

 

[Peter_J]

I judge them not. However, that doesn’t mean I can’t tell them the truth.

 

[buffalo]

I judge them not. However, that doesn’t mean I can’t tell them the truth.

We have a duty to tell them the truth.

 

[rinnie]

(I’m so sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I’m still new when it comes to recognizing different forum categories.)

This friend I have is a non-denomination Christian. She says all people cannot judge a transexual as a person, nor his/her lifestyle, and she quotes Matthew 7:1-5:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

She also says that as long as that person ain’t hurting anybody else, we can’t stick our noses into his/her business, that it is his/her life, and we can’t tell these people that what they’re doing is wrong. She also says that there are only positive and negative opinions, and there is no “evil” per se. She didn’t exactly say there isn’t evil, but I asked her if “evil” is just an opinion, and she answered with something I wasn’t quite satisfied with.

How can I refute this? Again, she’s not a Catholic, just a non-denomination Christian.

She is half right you are not to judge anyone that is the job of God. But as Pope John Paul ll says hate the sin, love the sinner.

Ask her if that person choose to shoot drugs up her arm would that be okay also, (shes not hurting anyone else)

No the world of God says if you see your brother or sister sin you make them aware of their sin, if not go to the elders.

Ask her if there is not evil what is Satan, a person who spreads love

Don’t let her opinion sway you, do as your faith teaches. Pray for the sinner, love them and hate the sin. But do not judge them, as far as saying you are going to hell, etc. Only God can judge us, but he gave us a church to define what is sin and what is not.

 

[Peter_J]

She means that we can’t judge the transsexual, nor his/her lifestyle,
…

Just the fact that she used the word “lifestyle” would somewhat put me on alert. But maybe that’s just me.

 

[Peter_J]

If someone is not a Catholic, then surely whether or not you approve is your problem, not theirs.

I wouldn’t put it quite like that, but certainly there can be things which are wrong but not illegal. If that weren’t the case then more than 90% of people in the USA should go to jail!

 

[buffalo]

I wouldn’t put it quite like that, but certainly there can be things which are wrong but not illegal. If that weren’t the case then more than 90% of people in the USA should go to jail!

It seems what is good for the person, common good and natural law don’t count for anything, much less the truth.

 

[inocente]

I wouldn’t put it quite like that, but certainly there can be things which are wrong but not illegal. If that weren’t the case then more than 90% of people in the USA should go to jail!

Then you must have to spend all day stopping them in the street to tell them what they’re doing wrong. I’m sure they’re all very grateful. You volunteer moral policemen should get a medal.

 

[rcwitness]

Then you must have to spend all day stopping them in the street to tell them what they’re doing wrong. I’m sure they’re all very grateful. You volunteer moral policemen should get a medal.

Every deed, whether good or bad will have recompence. Why would you neglect to tell a brother or sister if he is doing something harmful? And surely you would commend someone doing something admirable.
Sirach 16
He will make room for every act of mercy; every one will receive in accordance with his deeds.
Revelations 22
Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done.
Colossians 3
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom
Matthew 18
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
James 5
My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

 

[Peter_J]

Then you must have to spend all day stopping them in the street to tell them what they’re doing wrong. I’m sure they’re all very grateful. You volunteer moral policemen should get a medal.

Well thank you inocente. But flattery won’t stop me from telling you that contraception is gravely wrong (as are premarital sex, masturbation, and gay sex, but I’m assuming you agree with me on those).

But you can rest assured that I won’t arrest you for any of them (even if you came to the USA) because over the last fifty-some years our Supreme Court has decided that one after another of them (not all at once for some reason, but that’s another bottle of worms) fall under the alleged “privacy right” in the constitution.

 

[inocente]

Every deed, whether good or bad will have recompence. Why would you neglect to tell a brother or sister if he is doing something harmful? And surely you would commend someone doing something admirable.

You may not have realized the post at the start of the conversation was “If someone is not a Catholic, then surely whether or not you approve is your problem, not theirs”.

The OP tells us only that this is a transexual who has a ‘lifestyle’. Everyone has a lifestyle, the Dalai Lama has a lifestyle. The OP doesn’t say this person is doing anything harmful.

Transexual means “a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex”. The person is probably confused, may be mentally ill, may be suicidal. It is highly irresponsible for do-gooders to interfere - they get a glow of moral superiority, but unless they are trained at counseling and very careful they will probably do more harm than good.

 

[buffalo]

You may not have realized the post at the start of the conversation was “If someone is not a Catholic, then surely whether or not you approve is your problem, not theirs”.

The OP tells us only that this is a transexual who has a ‘lifestyle’. Everyone has a lifestyle, the Dalai Lama has a lifestyle. The OP doesn’t say this person is doing anything harmful.

Transexual means “a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex”. The person is probably confused, may be mentally ill, may be suicidal. It is highly irresponsible for do-gooders to interfere - they get a glow of moral superiority, but unless they are trained at counseling and very careful they will probably do more harm than good.

The truth transcends all. To not broadcast truth for fear of repercussions is irresponsible and feeds this nonsense.

And no, one does not have to be trained. That is the issue today. Fear.

 

[inocente]

Well thank you inocente. But flattery won’t stop me from telling you that contraception is gravely wrong (as are premarital sex, masturbation, and gay sex, but I’m assuming you agree with me on those).

But you can rest assured that I won’t arrest you for any of them (even if you came to the USA) because over the last fifty-some years our Supreme Court has decided that one after another of them (not all at once for some reason, but that’s another bottle of worms) fall under the alleged “privacy right” in the constitution.

Well, virtually everyone in Spain is Catholic and there are large displays of condoms in supermarkets. Buy them with the groceries. And the people approved equal marriage here 12 year’s ago and still do. And protested a few weeks back that the government isn’t taking enough Syrian refugees.

I mean, Hispanic and Southern European. What can you do with us?

 

[Bookcat]

We are to judge the error. The Person is for God to judge.

Nothing wrong in recognizing that something is sinful and wrong - in itself.

 

[rcwitness]

You may not have realized the post at the start of the conversation was “If someone is not a Catholic, then surely whether or not you approve is your problem, not theirs”.

The OP tells us only that this is a transexual who has a ‘lifestyle’. Everyone has a lifestyle, the Dalai Lama has a lifestyle. The OP doesn’t say this person is doing anything harmful.

Transexual means “a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex”. The person is probably confused, may be mentally ill, may be suicidal. It is highly irresponsible for do-gooders to interfere - they get a glow of moral superiority, but unless they are trained at counseling and very careful they will probably do more harm than good.

There’s definitely a respectable aspect to your point. But what you are doing, is admonishing the admonisher (assuming that the admonisher is admonishing poorly).

When the term “lifestyle” is used with the context of transexual, it is fair to assume the individual is living out that disorder. And no, I don’t feel superior to anyone with a disorder. I believe I actually have some disordered sexual attractions. I wish I would have had strong Catholics engage, admonish, and help me overcome these years ago! Whenever I support admonishing others in the faith, I am also supporting others to admonish myself. We are not individual entities that don’t rely on one another, and others relying on us.

Proverbs 27
Iron sharpens iron,
****and one man sharpens another.