Something Bad That Jesus Did?

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AmbroseSJ said:
No one taught me that. That is false teaching anyway.

Discrimination has been demonized as a horrible sign of bigotry and prejudice, and is some cases that’s true. :mad:

But discrimination is also very good and judicious if used wisely. One must learn to discriminate the good from the bad. You have been taught that such knowledge is worthless; that you should accept all, whether good or bad. That is the fullness of relativism. 😦

Catholics are taught that they must always discriminate the good from the bad, both in people, actions, and teachings. That does not conflict with loving our enemies as ourselves though. We must still forgive and pray for their salvation. But in some cases we are warned to stay away from them, for the sake of our own salvation. 😉
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How can you work on your salvation by staying away from the unsaved? That doesn’t sound too logic.

Ben: :confused:
 
Ben_Masada said:
How can you work on your salvation by staying away from the unsaved? That doesn’t sound too logic.

Ben: :confused:
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That’s because I never said the “unsaved.” We are warned to stay away from wicked people that may jeopardize our own salvation. I speak of people that would lead us into sin, or destruction. I am not referring to any group or nation or religion etc. I mean individuals. 😉
 
AmbroseSJ said:
That’s because I never said the “unsaved.” We are warned to stay away from wicked people that may jeopardize our own salvation. I speak of people that would lead us into sin, or destruction. I am not referring to any group or nation or religion etc. I mean individuals. 😉
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Salvation… salvation from what? In fact, when Jesus told that Samaritan woman at the well of Jacob that salvation was of the Jews, do you have any idea what he was talking about? That’s in John 4:22.

Ben: :confused:
 
Ben_Masada said:
Salvation… salvation from what? In fact, when Jesus told that Samaritan woman at the well of Jacob that salvation was of the Jews, do you have any idea what he was talking about? That’s in John 4:22.

Ben: :confused:
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Do you? :confused:
 
NotWorthy said:
Val, can you define “Catholic”? Cause I’m not sure you agree with what the Catholic Church teaches.

Jesus’ Divine Nature is surely Omniscient. His humanity is what it is. Jesus has the ability to learn, to grow up, to do everything humans do, but sin.
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May the Peace of God Reign over us.

I’ m sorry NotWhorty but surely he is not Omniscient. It is not my saying. It came from all the Gospels. When he said that, things will come but nobody else but God, even the son did not know the time it will come, he was aknowledging that, he was not Omniscient. If is something wrong in there is the later interpretations which say he is.

What kind of Catholic am I? I compare myself to Galileu Galiley. He is Catholic too but would dismiss what he knew was truth only for the sake of the faith of others. And he knew the faith was wrong and the knowledge not.

I compare myself to Charles Darwin too. He was so ahead of his time that even today does exist some that call him anti-Christ.

In a minor scale I can compare myself even to Jesus. If the Jew of his time had accept him, today we would be called not by the name of Catholic but by the name of Jew, or vice-versa.

I am confident about what I say because in a coming time the people that will be called by the name of Catholic will be more like me than more like the leaders of our Church. I mean, in a form of thinking because I don’t wanna not body following me as my shadow. I want everybody get the Knowledge and run on themselves legs.

Note: If you believe in that, your salvation depend on the killing of Jesus, I say to you, Your salvation is not at risk but will be put on hold until the New Catholics come and help you to see better. Others used the manace of Hell for convince the faithful more quickly. We don’t manace because it is not the Way of God and the time belong to God, not to us.

May the Grace of God be on us all.
 
Ben_Masada said:
cheeto1;4804116:
Ben Masada;4802061:
Try to follow my thought.
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use your commonsense

The Apostles in Jerusalem, with James, the brother of Jesus, at the head of the Sect, realized immediately that the Jesus preached by Paul was not their Jesus of Nazareth.

I don’t expect you to understand this all of a sudden.

Sir, I have never been accused of having commonsense.

But surely your idea here didn’t come out of thin air.
The very same Acts of the Apostles you cite, tells me that
indeed they are the same Jesus.
Something somewhere must have made you believe that
this was not the same Jesus. What is it?
There is no point in my bringing up verses that you say are 80%
guaranteed to not be believed by you. On the other hand, you
are free to bring up all bible verses to me.
If not the bible, then where is your source of this belief?

…may the truth be known…
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cheeto1 said:
Ben Masada;4806850:
cheeto1;4804116:
Sir, I have never been accused of having commonsense.

But surely your idea here didn’t come out of thin air.
The very same Acts of the Apostles you cite, tells me that
indeed they are the same Jesus.
Something somewhere must have made you believe that
this was not the same Jesus. What is it?
There is no point in my bringing up verses that you say are 80%
guaranteed to not be believed by you. On the other hand, you
are free to bring up all bible verses to me.
If not the bible, then where is your source of this belief?

…may the truth be known…
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Cheeto1, don’t make too big a deal out of what I said about the 20 versus 80 per cent. Mind you that’s a good method to minimize the contradictions. That’s the only way for me not to claim that there is contradiction in the NT.

Ben: 👍

Ben:
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Well, I think we’ve come to a crucial question.

You are saying that Jesus is preached differently by Paul than
He is by the apostles, is that right?

We know Paul’s way well,
but in your opinion, who do the apostles say that He is?

Thank you for your thoughts on this question.
 
I have not read anything but the original post, so forgive me if I am merely repeating what someone else may have said.

To the OP: Jesus did not do something bad by doing this. He simply caused the woman to recognize that she was not part of the true religion, but being the merciful God that He is, he granted her request after she demonstrated her faith and good will and her willingness to humble herself.

It serves as a lesson for all of us who would desire God’s mercy. We must constantly hound Him with prayer and worship, even and *especially *when it seems like He has turned away from us completely. Always with humility.

It is also interesting that he refers to the Gentiles in this way. It is an example of how the Lord feels about those who disdain his true and divinely revealed religion. Let’s pray that those who do so are given the grace to hound Him and come to convert that they might be saved at the hour of death.
 
Ben Masada

I am enjoying your thread and your posts. Please look up the Association of Hebrew Catholics I beleive it is at hebrewcatholics.org or else look in Wikipedia as it has the links right there at the end. These people are very knowledgable and will be able to answer your questions better than most of us who are not steeped in the Jewish faith you and they are. Peace be to you. MNMOM
 
Ben_Masada said:
Do you do any different from me?
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Well, yes I do. I look to 2000 years of teaching, all guided by the Holy Spirit. You’re making it up as you go along.
Ben_Masada said:
Take a look at this: Forty days after Jesus was born Luke took Mary and Jesus and returned to Nazareth. That’s in Luke 2:39. Now, read Matthew 2:13 and try to re-write the gospels to explain to me why the Jesus of Luke was in Nazareth since he was 40 days old and the Jesus of Matthew was in Egypt waiting for Herod to die. No, it’s not a joke; it’s sad.

Ben: :confused:
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I’ve seen this argument raised numerous times (no, you’re not the first). I’ll look at it again, Ben. It didn’t convince the millions of Jews who converted, Ben, so I’m not concerned with it. But I will look at it for you.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Salvation… salvation from what? In fact, when Jesus told that Samaritan woman at the well of Jacob that salvation was of the Jews, do you have any idea what he was talking about? That’s in John 4:22.

Ben: :confused:
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Hmmmm, Jesus said, according to John the Apostle (4:22), “.…because salvation is from the Jews.” Jesus was a Jew, so our Salvation does come FROM the Jews. No problem.
 
Valmabar said:
May the Peace of God Reign over us.
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And to you, my Brother.
Valmabar said:
I’ m sorry NotWhorty but surely he is not Omniscient. It is not my saying. It came from all the Gospels. When he said that, things will come but nobody else but God, even the son did not know the time it will come, he was aknowledging that, he was not Omniscient. If is something wrong in there is the later interpretations which say he is.
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" …And the Word was with God, and the Word Was God…and the Word became Flesh…" I think you are taking the verse you mentioned out of context.
Valmabar said:
What kind of Catholic am I? I compare myself to Galileu Galiley. He is Catholic too but would dismiss what he knew was truth only for the sake of the faith of others. And he knew the faith was wrong and the knowledge not.

I compare myself to Charles Darwin too. He was so ahead of his time that even today does exist some that call him anti-Christ.
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For you to speak of knowledge as such (it sounds gnostic, IMO) and then claim that you are Catholic, knowing that this purposely misleads others, seems dishonest. You should explain this a little clearer in your profile, if you please.

With that in mind, I’m not one to judge Charles Darwin. His theory on evolution works with the Creation story, so I’ve got no problem with it.
Valmabar said:
In a minor scale I can compare myself even to Jesus. If the Jew of his time had accept him, today we would be called not by the name of Catholic but by the name of Jew, or vice-versa.

I am confident about what I say because in a coming time the people that will be called by the name of Catholic will be more like me than more like the leaders of our Church. I mean, in a form of thinking because I don’t wanna not body following me as my shadow. I want everybody get the Knowledge and run on themselves legs.
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Again, this Knowledge you speak of doesn’t sound right. Where is Faith? Where is Grace?
Valmabar said:
Note: If you believe in that, your salvation depend on the killing of Jesus, I say to you, Your salvation is not at risk but will be put on hold until the New Catholics come and help you to see better. Others used the manace of Hell for convince the faithful more quickly. We don’t manace because it is not the Way of God and the time belong to God, not to us.
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Jesus chose to use His death as the means to our Salvation. If you think His Death had nothing to do with our Salvation, then you’ve sadly misread the Bible and misunderstood the Teachings of the Church.
Valmabar said:
May the Grace of God be on us all.
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And may this Grace of God bring you back into the Teachings of His Church!
 
Ben,

You keep saying how laughable and unbelievable the New Testament is, but how much more unbelievable is it than the Old Testament?

An awful lot of the OT is very symbolic - the numbers, 40, 7, 70, 12 are used constantly. Likewise, the NT uses 3, 12 and 40 a lot. The Bible is a very symbolic book, it is not a history lesson. Neither the OT nor the NT were meant to be history books.

Catholics and other Christians believe that Jesus is part of the triune nature of God. You believe in God, Yahweh or Elohim, I don’t know which. Please respect the fact that Christians have faith in Jesus and stop rewriting the New Testament for us!!
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Catholics and other Christians believe that Jesus is part of the triune nature of God. You believe in God, Yahweh or Elohim, I don’t know which. Please respect the fact that Christians have faith in Jesus and stop rewriting the New Testament for us!!
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Just because we disagree with Ben, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t silence him, at least until he starts getting too personal.

Besides, its the Democrats job to squelch all opposition! 😉
 
Nepenthe said:
Well, cursing that poor little fig tree was not one of his better days.

But that makes him and the stories about him ring more human to me, and not ONLY an all-wise-and powerful deity, which I find greatly endearing. Was he not, indeed, both 100%a god and 100% a mortal man according to your teachings?
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The incident has the virtue of showing him to be human - it has the drawback that it shows him as a rather unreasonable one. Maybe this carelessness with the property of others is illustrated by his destruction of pigs when he healed Legion. ISTM that the episodes may illuminate each other - what they mean or imply, 🤷 (Something to do with his mission & his freedom from possessions, maybe ?) Maybe it would help if all the incidents that showed him as irresponsible, or destructive of what was not his, were compared & examined.​

FWIW: Percentages are no good for trying to understand Christian understanding of the Incarnation - that apart, you’re right: the idea is that he is completely both, to the prejudice of neither.
 
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