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why would God create a planet that is 0.00001% (I don’t even know how much, but it’s very little) of what exists and then put people only there and focus on that? Why would God create thousands or millions of planets and then put his beloved people, made in his image, on just one of them?
I have this same question. It seems like it is a waste of sorts to create so many billions and billions of galaxies and trillions of stars with only one having a planet where human life appeared. It seems like you could have saved a lot of wasted time and effort by having only 10% or even much less of the galaxies and stars that we have now.
 
When the bible was written it gave the impression that we were all that existed. It made sense. We were chosen.
I thought it was the Jewish people who were the chosen people of God. The people of India, of Australia, of Japan and of China were not chosen?
God is utter simplicity.
Can you show how God, who is composed of Three Persons, and with one of the Persons having two different wills, is utterly simple? I suspect that a Muslim might find this to be more on the complex side and not so much on the simple side.
 
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The soul is the principle of life. It is what animates all life. This explains it better than I could:
The linked article says flatly that there is no doggie heaven. However, this contradicts what Roger Cardinal Mahony has taught as he said that there is a cat heaven. Further, the Bible says that there are horses in heaven.
 
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Freddy:
When the bible was written it gave the impression that we were all that existed. It made sense. We were chosen.
I thought it was the Jewish people who were the chosen people of God. The people of India, of Australia, of Japan and of China were not chosen?
When I say all I mean everyone. Someone said ‘we are all God’s children’.

If you have children then you make sure they have enough to survive and prosper. A roof over their heads. You don’t create things that they can’t access.
 
Did someone saay it proved against God?

No, I just checked.
No. You said that you aren’t convinced that it proves God’s creation of the rock. Substitute that for my more terse “God”, and there ya go… 😉
a small system, which is all we need, makes sense.
But a large system makes no less sense.
A system where we not only cannot access an infinity of what has been created but cannot even know what is there seems…well, nonsensical.
Why? First off, it’s not “infinite”, just big. That’s a critical difference. And now we’re back to my point: does the fact that we can’t access it today have any meaning? Heck, we couldn’t access the whole world a few centuries ago! (For that matter, we still can’t access the deepest depths of our oceans to any meaningful extent!) But, we can access much more of this “infinity” you’re claiming. Your argument seems to fail, when we imagine a 10th-century person saying “the vastness of this unexplored and unexplorable earth proves against God’s creation of it all”…!
It seems like it is a waste of sorts to create so many billions and billions of galaxies and trillions of stars with only one having a planet where human life appeared.
Why? It’s our playground. So what if it’s big?
Can you show how God, who is composed of Three Persons, and with one of the Persons having two different wills, is utterly simple?
You misunderstand the use of the term “simple” here. It means “not composite” (and not “not complex”).
The linked article says flatly that there is no doggie heaven. However, this contradicts what Roger Cardinal Mahony has taught as he said that there is a cat heaven. Further, the Bible says that there are horses in heaven.
:man_facepalming"
Love to see the Mahony quote, please. For that matter, let’s see the Scripture reference (my money is on “allegory”, but let’s see it).
Was everyone chosen or was it the Jewish people who were God’s chosen people?
Everyone. It started with the Jewish people, though, and grew to encompass all.
 
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Well, I certainly do not hold that animals have a rational, mortal soul.
Will there be animals in heaven? I can only say that if they are required for our perfect happiness, the answer would be yes. But that really doesn’t say much.
Where in the Bible does it say horses are in heaven?
 
Love to see the Mahony quote, please
Here Cardinal Mahony says:
“Miguel went to Cat Heaven in 2004.”
Miguel is the name of his cat who died in 2004.
http://www.recongress.org/chat2007s.htm
let’s see the Scripture reference
Where in the Bible does it say horses are in heaven?
Rev 19:11.
Everyone.
Deuteronomy 14: 2 does not say that everyone was chosen.
“For you are a holy people to your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth.”
and Amos 3: 2
“You only have I singled out of all the families of the earth: therefore will I visit upon you all your iniquities.”
Genesis 17: 7
“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.”
Do you reject or accept these Bible verses ? It seems from these Bible verses that the Chinese people were not chosen to be the treasured people of God among all nations that are on the face of the earth.
Can you give us a passage in Holy Scripture that says that the Chinese people or the people of India were to be singled out as the chosen people of the earth? Does not the Bible say that God has only singled out the Jewish people among all the families of the earth, and not the Chinese or others? Why were the Chinese people left out and not chosen for this?
 
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I have tried to explain this to myself by saying, well, there God has created so much for us to discover …
In order that we discover our need for humility. In realizing that we cannot know through practical knowledge everything in creation, we open ourselves to mystical knowledge – knowledge about our Creator.

To oneself, as subject, one is the most important thing in the universe. But as object, commonsense tells us we are utterly insignificant, of no consequence whatsoever. It would have made small difference to the universe if I had never existed. In rationalizing these apparent irreconcilable perspectives, we move from uncertain practical knowledge to the certainty of mystical knowledge. We come to know God not as object but as subject. Unlike the created things of the universe about which we can come to know somethings but never everything, we cannot know anything about the uncreated Transcendent except that which the Transcendent reveals to us. Maritain put it well:

Existence and the Existent​

By Jacques Maritain

If God exists, then not I, but He is the center; and this time not in relation to a certain particular perspective, like that in which each created subjectivity is the center of the universe it knows, but speaking absolutely, and as transcendent subjectivity to which all subjectivities are referred. At such time I can know both that I am without importance and that my destiny is of the highest importance… Because, loving the divine Subject more than myself, it is for Him that I love myself, it is to do as He wishes that I wish above all else to accomplish my destiny; and because, unimportant as I am in the world, I am important to Him; not only I, but all the other subjectivities whose loveableness is revealed in Him and for Him and which are henceforward, together with me, a we , called to rejoice in His life.
 
Here Cardinal Mahony says:
“Miguel went to Cat Heaven in 2004.”
Miguel is the name of his cat who died in 2004.
Oh, dear Lord. He’s talking to 7th- and 8th-graders. This isn’t a theological assertion of the notion of eternal souls in animals! :roll_eyes:
Rev 19:11.
Revelation speaks to the “four horsemen of the apocalypse”. This is a symbolic representation in a vision about things that are to come. Here in Rev 19, we see Jesus – using the same imagery, of a warrior on a warhorse – riding forth to battle against the enemy. It’s just symbolic imagery – not an assertion that horses live in heaven!

Read a bit further in that chapter – it says that there’s a sword that comes out of the mouth of Jesus. Do you think He literally has a sword for a tongue? C’mon… it’s just symbolic imagery in a vision!
Deuteronomy 14: 2 does not say that everyone was chosen.
and Amos 3: 2
Genesis 17: 7
Ahh, but Jesus says it in the NT. Read a bit further in the Bible. 😉

God chose a couple, then a family, then a nation… and then all the world. It’s a journey, not a single snapshot. God does establish a covenant with Abraham … and then a more expansive one with Moses… and then a more expansive one in Jesus’ New Covenant.
Do you reject or accept these Bible verses ?
I accept them. However, I realize that they’re part of a historical narrative that does not end with them; they continue onward into the New Testament.
Does not the Bible say that God has only singled out the Jewish people among all the families of the earth, and not the Chinese or others?
The Bible also says that Jesus sent the apostles out to all the world:
Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations. (Mt 28:18-19)
“All nations” includes China. (And America, for that matter!) 😉 👍
 
I accept them.
For thousands of years, the Chinese were not chosen. God established an everlasting covenant with the Jewish people, not the Chinese. 🤦‍♂️
. It’s just symbolic imagery – not an assertion that horses live in heaven!
The Bible is symbolic? Yes? That is what 69% of Catholics and what most Protestants say about the Eucharist. That it is just symbolic imagery and not the literal Body and Blood of Jesus.

 
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The funny part about the picture is that you are looking deep into the past millions and billions of years - we will never see the universe it in its present state its impossible . Thats whats strange about the picture it doesn’t exist anymore as you see it.
 
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I am sure you got a lot of good information but let me give you how I understand this. God always was and is pure spirit. He is in need of not a thing but decided to give His Son a gift of brothers and sisters. He decide they would have bodies so the needed a place to live. He spent a lot of time and effort preparing a place. Everything He created had the purpose to serve man! Angels, the universe, plants and animals. Angels He created all at once but He allows us to participate with him in the creation of new human beings! When we ask why He didn’t do it differently? Well to make us feel special, loved and impressed by His power and might! How this helps!
 
For thousands of years, the Chinese were not chosen. God established an everlasting covenant with the Jewish people, not the Chinese.
Jesus established an everlasting covenant with all people. (That includes the Chinese.)
The Bible is symbolic? Yes?
The Bible contains a variety of genres of literature. There’s historical narrative, there’s parable, there’s didactic stories, there’s poetry, … etc, etc, etc. The genre of Revelation is “apocalyptic literature”. That genre uses symbol and imagery in order to convey a message of hope to an oppressed audience. So… yes – there is symbolic language in the Bible, but no… not all of the Bible is symbolic.
That it is just symbolic imagery and not the literal Body and Blood of Jesus.
You need to read that research report and understand who the sample of people polled are (they include many who are not practicing Catholic). Moreover, you have to read the question asked of them very carefully (it asks “is it symbolic?” and “is it the Body of Christ?” – the correct answer to both questions is “YES!”), because the question and the ‘correct’ answer are phrased poorly, and give inaccurate results.
 
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Jesus established an everlasting covenant with all people.
  1. God singled out the Jews among all nations to be His chosen people. Jesus came later. The Catholic Church believes that the Jewish covenant is still valid. 🤦‍♂️
    "Some have argued that “the New Covenant “abrogated” or “superseded” the Old Covenant, and that the Sinai Covenant was discarded by God and replaced with another made by Jesus. The Second Vatican Council, in Dei Verbum and Nostra Aetate , rejected these ideas.”
  2. The Jews do not accept Jesus.
 
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Freddy:
Did someone saay it proved against God?

No, I just checked.
No. You said that you aren’t convinced that it proves God’s creation of the rock. Substitute that for my more terse “God”, and there ya go… 😉
a small system, which is all we need, makes sense.
But a large system makes no less sense.
A system where we not only cannot access an infinity of what has been created but cannot even know what is there seems…well, nonsensical.
Why? First off, it’s not “infinite”, just big. That’s a critical difference. And now we’re back to my point: does the fact that we can’t access it today have any meaning? Heck, we couldn’t access the whole world a few centuries ago!
It’s not that we can’t access it today. We will never be able to access it. Whatever is beyond the observable universe is forever beyond our reach. It always was and it always will be. We can’t even SEE what’s there (obviously).

Again, this existence was either created for us or it wasn’t. If there are parts of it that are not for us, by definition, then who are they for?
 
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Freddy:
a small system, which is all we need, makes sense.
But a large system makes no less sense.
Missed this bit…

It’s not just a large system (we’ll get out there eventually). It’s beyond us. It’s unreachable. It’s not relevant to us whatsoever. It’s like building a huge house for your children and having a door at the end of an incredibly long corridor which is forever locked. And parts of the house which you will probably never be able to access are dissapearing behind it. Eventually the whole house except the rooms in which you live will dissapear as if they never existed.

And that apparently makes sense to you. Makes none to me.
 
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