Sometimes I'm troubled by what our country has done in the past

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Thank you for your service to our country. And thanks to all vets and current military for their service.

I hope that decades from now, people will look back on this time in U.S. history and say, “How could they possibly have called so many sinful acts like abortion, homosexual practices, elimination of public religious activities and displays, glorification of evil in media, etc. “good” and made them legal with penalties for opposing and/or speaking out against these actions?”?
 
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I’m more troubled about the current slaughter of the innocents in the womb than anything in the past. I’m more proud of how we as a nation rectified our sins from the past than I am troubled by anything from the past.
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“Nations” don’t commit sins. Living individuals do. Apologizing for the “sins” of other people (atom bombs dropped before I was born) is a way of avoiding genuine moral responsibility for my actions, and inactions in the present. Abortion goes on because 99 percent of Christians do nothing about it. In the present.
 
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I’m thinking of people I know who have been fired from jobs or dismissed from volunteer positions for being “politically incorrect.”

Back when 9/11 happened, I was at work, and when the planes crashed and the Trade Towers came down, in my grief and fear, I said something to the effect that it was probably Iranian terrorists.

I almost lost my job for that (in spite of the fact that I had been at the company for more than 10 years and done good work). It was considered “hate speech” against Middle Easterners. A co-worker heard me say it, went to the director, and I was “disciplined.”

Yes, I should have been able to control my emotions on the day that over 3000 Americans were brutally murdered, and the rest of us were on high alert (for the next several months) that we would be attacked at any moment (the Sears Tower was evacuated, and so were many smaller buildings in the cities in Illinois). Yes, I should have just sat there and said, "Oh, my, how awful. How tragic. God help us–wait–I shouldn’t say “God” because it might make someone else in the company uncomfortable and I would have been disciplined more.

Our country has gone insane.

Here’s a link to a site that you may not trust (and I’m not sure if I trust it), but it does give many examples of how political correctness has taken away the rights of many of us: 20 Outrageous Examples That Show How Political Correctness Is Taking Over America – The Truth
 
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Victoria33 said:
Sometimes I’m troubled by what our country has done in the past.
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That’s good, it shows you have a well formed conscience.

America has done a lot of good, but also a lot of evil. If someone fails to see the evil in both Americas past and present, I would question how well their conscience is formed to Christ.
 
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Victoria33 said:
Sometimes I’m troubled by what our country has done in the past. This is not a thread to bash other countries but for sincere discussion. I mean, how do you see it as an American?
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Whatever the US did in the past,
I didn’t Cause it
I can’t Control it
and I can’t Cure it.

All I can do is try to live my life in a Christlike way going forward. For example, if I had a chance to vote on or disapprove some kind of revenge massacre by USA right now in the present day, then I would vote against it or disapprove it or ask that those who carried it out be brought to justice.

1901 was more than 60 years before I was born and was over 100 years ago. The idea of what was appropriate behavior by a country like USA (or any number of European countries) has changed drastically since then, especially since we have been through two world wars, a Cold War, and Viet Nam era, and colonialism is no longer okay. I would like to think a large part of the world, including USA, has learned not to repeat past bad behavior and there is certainly a lot more media scrutiny now on anything that looks like wanton killing.

Filipinos were fighting on our side by WWII. I know this because I represented some of them in VA benefits cases. And I met Flipinos in the schools I attended as a child, they were our friends.
I am glad they got the bells back.

Let us go forward, together.
 
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Some are, some are not.

It has been my observation over the last 5 decades that a lot of the self-flagellation is done by the SJWs; and it is my further observation that many, if not most SJWs are driven by emotion, and not necessarily by logic.
 
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I’m troubled by the self-flagellation of which Americans seem to be so enamored.
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Plenty of us Americans are not enamored of people who just found out yesterday that history contains dark stuff as well as pleasant stuff. Those of us who read a lot as children and teens were already aware. Plenty of us who actually try to view history objectively also can’t stand the way certain people refuse to view history in the social context of its time rather than applying current perspectives to everything and using that as an excuse to rant and rave.
 
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One thing I recently heard but have been unable to confirm is that one of the chief causes of the war with Japan was the US reneging on a secret deal.
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the causes of the war with Japan are clearly available with a little research, from both countries’ POV.

The US did not ‘renege’ on a secret deal. Teddy Roosevelt brokered a peace between Japan and Russia that gave Japan control of Korea. Japan was not to go after more territory. Japan didn’t like this ‘limitation’ and that precept was what eventually kicked off the war. When Japan invaded China the US was made very aware that Japan wasn’t going to be content with just Korea. the Franklin Roosevelt administration began putting sanctions on steel, oil and eventually freezing Japanese assets. Japan wouldn’t back down and went on the offensive.

It is interesting that Teddy Roosevelt favored the Japanese over the Russians but his relative Franklin disliked the Japanese and favored the Chinese.
 
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I’m troubled by the self-flagellation of which Americans seem to be so enamored.
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Actually it isn’t really self flagellation. People aren’t confessing their own sins, they are confessing and perhaps exaggerating the sins of persons other than themselves.

The more people fixate on confessing and repenting real or imaginary sins of others, the less open they are to the Gospel, or even minimal human morality.
 
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This happened on this day in history in 1890. We must remember these things, Wounded Knee. There are some people that will make this an anti-American topic but it’s been true for decades, when people need help, they often look to the Americans. It is because of a moral authority, we should remember these things.

A lot in the news on this anniversary date.
 
Which nation on earth has no human failure? A good question to ask is: Do the founding documents teach failure, or rather, personal responsibility and freedom? When you look back you risk tripping over the present. What do you think our founders would think of the US today? They would be just as horrified at what we have become as we may be at what they were.
  1. Turn the media off. They are a malevolent force in society. The degree of happiness we achieve is directly proportional to the degree of our disconnect from pop culture/media. The media is “for profit” and good news does not sell. The exceptions being CAF and EWTN.
  2. After disconnecting, if you are not happier, you can always go back to the media-driven anxiety and depression.
 
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I don’t think the indiscriminate bombing of cities is justified by the fact that there were 1,800 kids used by the Japanese in the war as soldiers. I highly doubt that the kids in Nagasaki were already in the army. They might have potentially been in the army but we cannot kill someone for something they potentially can do.

The little infant in Nagasaki might go on to join the army later on. But that does not give us an excuse to kill him.
 
Do you really think if we had invaded mainland Japan that fewer civilians, including children, would have been killed? If so, you are naive. The sooner the war was ended the sooner killing would end.
 
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