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A hyper-partisan lawyer. I didn’t criticize his education. His views for years relegated him out of Conservative mainstream. For sound reasons. The fact he has crept back in speaks to a decay in standards
I find him unbearably tedious and pedantic. But I do not see where he is “outside the conservative mainstream”. Can you be more specific?
I was actually using The video because he provided the testimony of the so called witnesses where they all say they have no evidence of a quid pro quo or bribery.
 
Calling human beings " infestation" is one of many examples
This, to you, is worse than requiring the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide abortifacients to their employees and themselves? amazing how people come on here and try to persuade Catholics to their political position by going dyspeptic over an epithet that means nothing and affects nobody in favor of affirming the perpetrators of the worst acts allowed in this country.
Trump’s policy includes a clearly non Catholic absence of empathy, and an intended cruelty.
What do you actually know about empathy on his part? Because he used a word you don’t approve of his using, you judge him as having no empathy?
To the very practical recognition that baby Jesus fled as a refugee from certain death and was permitted to grow in Egypt.
In this country, of course, a million babies per year who cannot flee, are ripped limb from limb without even being provided the decency of an anaesthetic, and some people actually vote for politicians who countenance that. Righteous indignation over Trump’s use of a word could not possibly be more misplaced.
 
Imposes dictates? That is part of what the Constitution does. Again, if you oppose the Constitution, your post makes sense. All rights and no obligations is not consistent with the Church. Frankly, it is consistent with a society based upon power as the only governing principle.
The government does not ," give up your guns." The Constitution provides a right and limitation. And the government enforces it.
In the Catechism, real property ownership is not absolute. If you think it is, that isn’t Catholic. And never will be.It does sound like Trump.
Trump calls media enemy of the people. ( A statement that begins with Ceasar historically and tracks the Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, and a host of dictators)
He attacked thr judiciary as SO CALLED JUDGES.
He takes a position that if the president does something criminal, he cannot be charged, ironically, like Nixon. All classic authoritarian positions
 
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Abortion has become the single overriding Christian belief. This is why your post offers it as an answer to any and every other facet of CATHOLOCISM. Infestation becomes Sisters and abortion. Everything reverts to it.
There is much more than a single word. The guy Trump put in charge is linked to white nationalism by his public acts and even his own family.
Trump’s lack of empathy? If that seems untrue to you after three years, what good would it do to offer the constellation of examples. To think I offered just one thing he said because there isn’t more, as you imply, speaks for itself.
Trump went from pro choice for a lifetime to pro life in the nick of time for the primaries. Which raises an interesting hypothetical. If Satan ran, his best strategy would be the same. Then he can have policy consistent with the father of lies in every other area besides abortion. Like a lost leader. This is the absurdity of making the Catholic universe abortion, or sisters offering a choice people shouldn’t make to begin with.
 
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I didn’t watch it. But taking your word for it in terms of what he said, his legal knowledge can only hang him. Very simply, the questions from the hearing call for an expert legal opinion. Only a witness qualified by sufficient legal education and experience may answer such a question in a courtroom. A predicate would be required sufficent to meet the rules threshold.
None of that was done. My suspicion is not that this pundit is unaware, I think he is. That is what would make his highlighting such testimony dishonest
 
Abortion is not the only Catholic issue, just the most serious one in which there is state involvement.
The guy Trump put in charge is linked to white nationalism
Who’s that and how is he “linked” and by whom?
Trump’s lack of empathy?
You know nothing about his empathy or lack thereof. He’s a blunt spoken person, but that does not mean he lacks empathy except to Democrats. But everything about him is negative to Democrats.
Trump went from pro choice for a lifetime to pro life in the nick of time for the primaries
So what, as long as he acts in a prolife manner. But how do you know he hasn’t changed his mind about it? Lots of people have, including people who worked for the abortion industry.

I’m surprised you are okay with Obama’s abortifacient mandate. But if you are, you are.
sisters offering a choice people shouldn’t make to begin with.
They objected to being forced to be complicit with birth control and abortion. People shouldn’t take heroin either, but it doesn’t mean it’s okay to offer it to them.
 
Well, then they are against the regular practice of American foreign aid over numerous presidents. There is regularly a quid pro quo to receive American foreign aid.
There might be, but the agreement is to further American interests, not the interests of the President to gain an advantage over rivals.
There are minor ones, but the big one is abortion. Trump appointed two prolife justices. He reinstated the Mexico City policy, allowed states to defund Planned Parenthood and let the Little Sisters of the Poor off the Obama abortifacient mandate.

For those things, Democrats will never forgive him.
And, for those things, Republicans will overlook abuse of power.
He takes a position that if the president does something criminal, he cannot be charged, ironically, like Nixon. All classic authoritarian positions
Yep.
 
And, for those things, Republicans will overlook abuse of power.
That would depend on whether the “abuse of power” was so terrible as to be “proportionate” to killing a million children annually.

What abuses of power do you consider proportionate to that? For that matter, what are the ones that are not proportionate?
 
I think we have exhausted the one issue of abortion. You say it is the most important issue. It is important. If it was as you suggest, perhaps Jesus might have mentioned it. Or it would appear in the New Testament. Instead of seeming to supplant it in the minds of some. I am not going to bother arguing Trump is empathetic. I will chalk it up as zeal to defend him.
 
That would depend on whether the “abuse of power” was so terrible as to be “proportionate” to killing a million children annually.

What abuses of power do you consider proportionate to that? For that matter, what are the ones that are not proportionate?
Thanks for admitting to the Trump abuse of power.

And, no, we don’t have to say that fictionally two Supremes or reduced PP funding will save the lives of a million babies, and for that, we will look the other way.

It’s not either/or. Trump DID appoint two Supremes. He DID abuse power. They are not related.
 
I think we have exhausted the one issue of abortion. You say it is the most important issue. It is important. If it was as you suggest, perhaps Jesus might have mentioned it. Or it would appear in the New Testament. Instead of seeming to supplant it in the minds of some. I am not going to bother arguing Trump is empathetic. I will chalk it up as zeal to defend him.
Murder is condemned in the bible, over and over again.

I’m not arguing that Trump is empathetic either. I don’t know the man. And neither do you.
I am beginning to think my Satan hypothetical is a good one
It’s a destitute one; a descent into personal insult of the worst kind.
 
Thanks for admitting to the Trump abuse of power.
I didn’t. You do not speak for me, so don’t. I asked you to tell us what abuses of power you talked about . Apparently you do not know of any.
 
It is interesting. Their Trump support. Justifications like two justices, all devolve into NECESSARY EVIL
 
NECESSARY EVIL
I asked Paul what abuses of power he was talking about. He had no answer. Perhaps you can tell us what evil Trump is perpetrating. No vague generalities or Dem talking points please. Clear, unequivocal evils.
 
I didn’t. You do not speak for me, so don’t. I asked you to tell us what abuses of power you talked about . Apparently you do not know of any.
I must have misunderstood when you didn’t reply “there was no abuse of power” that you were conceding the point.

I point you to the impeachment hearings for the abuse of power accusations.

And, here is what others have said:




 
I am not searching for the plentitude. Pope Francis said," I don’t know what’s happening with this new culture of defending territories by building walls. We already know one, that( one) In Berlin, which brought so many people headaches and so much suffering."
This, a follow up to his statement about the wall being inconsistent with the Gospel.
Then he said:
" Seperating children from their parents goes against natural law and those Christians…lyou can’t do it. It is cruel. It is among the GREATEST OF CRUELTIES. AND TO DEFEND WHAT?
Territory, or the economy of a country or who knows what,"
Of course there is much more tied to describing human beings as infestation.
The policy is run by white nationalist Stephen Miller.( Read what his own family says about him)
The Children detention keeping kids in vans( 37 ages 5-12) for 2 nights in the desert. Violating court orders requiring safe conditions. Loosing kids. Court orders finding kids kept in unsafe and unsanitary conditions. And a policy that this horror of CRUELTY act as a deterrent.
Why bother going on and on
 
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Liberal “presumptions” and $7.00 will buy a cup of cappuccino in most places that sell them. But the $7.00 alone will do.

Joe Biden gets a prosecutor in Ukraine fired by threatening to withhold American aid, in order to terminate investigation of his son’s company, and you accept HIS conclusions about abuse of power? Alice in Wonderland stuff.

And Sondland had nothing but his “presumptions” to offer. In reality, he knew nothing about any abuse of power. Nothing. And he admitted it.

And Time magazine knows nothing about any abuse of women by Trump. It only knows what indicted money-grubbing lawyers and Democrat liars say about it.
 
Joe Biden gets a prosecutor in Ukraine fired by threatening to withhold American aid, in order to terminate investigation of his son’s company,
The evidence for that quid pro quo is nil.
The evidence that he was doing the work openly and transparently on behalf of hte US government and its allies is extensive.
Even the discussion of the propriety of Hunter’s involvement was extensively covered and discussed when it happened.`
 
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