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I look forward to a trial. I see no legitimate defense calling Biden for example.
Absolutely he should be called. His motives in Ukraine are important.
Calling Schiff is the same thing. “He is partisan” is not relevant to the facts.
Schiff‘s testimony is also critical. We need to know how much contact he had with Ciaramella and what their motives were. How much pressure has he overseen put on witnesses such as Sondland to get them to testing certain way?
Ciaramella needs to testify as well.
 
Oh no! Trump is about to judge him? Doesn’t Sondland know only Trump gets Mulligans.
Oh wait a minute. Trump didn’t seem to care when he made Sondland Ambassador. Wonder if giving him a million bucks mattered? In fact, was it a plus?
 
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Evidence of a crime requires a legal evaluation of facts and how they tend to proove or disproove elements of a crime. At the time of testimony, there aren’t even articles of impeachment in existrnce to reference.
It is true this was a committee hearing. It is true the questions were asked. I speak of the value of any answer given asking for an expert opinion from a non expert.
 
How is Biden’s motives in Ukraine important if he is carrying out policy as an agent?
Let’s say person A shoots person B. How can the motives of someone who is not even a fact witness matter. The witness testimony matters. Trump cannot go innocent of something 20 witnesses testify to, because the Whistleblower who didn’t testify didn’t like him.
The guy who gave the tip on the shooting hates you. So we need to forget the actual 20 people who testify as witnesses and the shooter goes free. Only in the twighlight zone.
And it is not certain that the Wistleblower will testify. Trump, the most powerful man on Earth came out and called the person a traitor who committed treason. Raising the death penalty.
 
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Evidence of a crime requires a legal evaluation of facts and how they tend to proove or disproove elements of a crime. At the time of testimony, there aren’t even articles of impeachment in existrnce to reference.
And there hasn’t been any in testimony. so, without evidence of a crime, it seems a no vote on articles of impeachment is called for.
It is true this was a committee hearing. It is true the questions were asked. I speak of the value of any answer given asking for an expert opinion from a non expert.
And frankly, you are welcome to your opinion on this, an opinion apparently not shared even by a notoriously biased and dishonest chairman.
 
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How is Biden’s motives in Ukraine important if he is carrying out policy as an agent?
What testimony has been to this point? How do we know his motives without his testimony? His activity may be the real quid pro quo here that used government money as leverage for personal ends.
Let’s say person A shoots person B.
You just spent a whole post claiming that it takes witnesses who are experts. Currently there is no evidence that person A shot anyone. In fact, person T is now being accused of a crime for simply wanting to look into person A’s possible corrupt actions.
The witness testimony matters. Trump cannot go innocent of something 20 witnesses testify to, because the Whistleblower who didn’t testify didn’t like him.
You yourself just said those witnesses can’t testify to a crime. You can’t have it both ways.
And it is not certain that the Wistleblower will testify. Trump, the most powerful man on Earth came out and called the person a traitor who committed treason. Raising the death penalty.
Oh, you mean like a number of former intel community leaders who have said that about Trump, with whom the whistleblower has close ties.
 
There has been a lot of evidence. And as in a law case, the lawyer gathers the facts and orders them to fit the elements of the crime for the jury. Not the witness. This is the purpose of summation/ closing argument. Have you ever seen a trial?
And nobody can stop you from being wrong. It is why such evidence would be inadmissible in trial.
 
If this was the impeachment of Biden, you might have a point. How is it a defense of Trump?
Trump needs to offer testimony that he wasn’t trying to investigate a political rival. He needs proof he was interested in Curruption. He can only do that by showing evidence he relied on on the 25th. That existed for him to rely on for the 25th. Unless Trump has that, nothing Biden says will have been relied on , on the 25th.
Those witnesses testify to fact. Whether something is a crime requires expertise to apply fact to law. I hope this clarifies what I said.
First, we are two weeks from the IG blowing the deep State conspiracy myth out of the water. Removing a good portion of the fictional aspect of this presidency.
But your," you mean that," question, which is never nearly what was meant, obviously ignored what I said. Trump has threatened the Whisleblowers. That’s what I said.
 
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There has been a lot of evidence.
No evidence. There has been speculation, hearsay, and hurt feelings. There has been a transcript that shows the opposite of what has been alleged, but no evidence.
And as in a law case, the lawyer gathers the facts and orders them to fit the elements of the crime for the jury.
There has been no facts that point to a crime.
Trump needs to offer testimony that he wasn’t trying to investigate a political rival. He needs proof he was interested in Curruption.
Actually, he doesn’t. For someone who claims to have years of court experience, you seem to have missed the presumption of innocence thing. Trump doesn’t have to do anything to prove innocence .
Trump has threatened the Whisleblowers. That’s what I said.
Now this is hilarious. John Brennan and numerous others in the leftist media have called Trump a traitor, accused him of treason. If that is, as you here claim, a threat, then they have threatened the president and should be arrested by the Secret Service immediately.
 
There is no evidence the Sun rises in the East. Just opinion and speculation.
Hey I can use your argument for anything. Thanks.
The John Brennan example is persuasive also.
Most powerful man on Earth vs a citizen. Nothing to distinguish.
Like a heavyweight champ and 5 year old is exactly the same also.
 
There is no evidence the Sun rises in the East. Just opinion and speculation.
Hey I can use your argument for anything. Thanks.
The John Brennan example is persuasive also.
Most powerful man on Earth vs a citizen. Nothing to distinguish.
Like a heavyweight champ and 5 year old is exactly the same also.
Unless you are saying it is okay to threaten the president, you seem lack a coherent response.
I hope you enjoyed the holiday.
 
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I think it is grifter -like to be the strongest man on Earth and have legions sympathetic to your victimhood. Very much the KING and Duke characters from Tom Sawyer.
Of course it is:
Victim that always wins.
Victim who is America’s biggest bully/ name caller
And victim with a sadistic streak as well.
A Bonanza of non sequitur
 
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I think it is grifter -like to be the strongest man on Earth and have legions sympathetic to your victimhood. Very much the KING and Duke characters from Tom Sawyer.
Of course it is:
Victim that always wins.
Victim who is America’s biggest bully/ name caller
And victim with a sadistic streak as well.
A Bonanza of non sequitur
IOW, you really don’t have an argument.
 
Cute meme, but the roles are reversed. Republicans ask for evidence. Democrats haven’t provided any.
Other than orange man bad.
“Do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?”
No
“Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with, at all?”
No
Turner: “No, answer the question. Is it correct that no one on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying this aid to the investigations? Because if your answer is yes, then the chairman is wrong and the headline on CNN is wrong.”
Yes.”
Turner: “So, you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations?”
Other than my own presumption.”
 
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The point is that we have a large number of reputable witnesses claiming that the Trump administration was attempting to bribe Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Trump’s political rivals, which interfered with ordinary US interests in Ukraine. The fact that no one explicitly said “we’re going to bribe Ukraine” is not relevant, as pointed out by the comic.
 
The point is that we have a large number of reputable witnesses claiming that the Trump administration was attempting to bribe Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Trump’s political rivals, which interfered with ordinary US interests in Ukraine.
Claiming? What evidence did they provide? That was the point of your original meme. Evidence.
Trump was actually doing what the Obama team either failed to do or chose not to do: stop foreign interference in our elections.
Secondly, “ ordinary US interests in Ukraine“ are set by the President, not by diplomats or the intel community, but you’ve provided the exact motivation of people like Bishop. They didn‘t like Trump’s policies which included the demand that Europe do more and that Ukraine be free of the corruption their previous regime was notorious for.
The fact that no one explicitly said “we’re going to bribe Ukraine” is not relevant, as pointed out by the comic.
The “no one” you mention is only one person: the President of the United States.
It is precisely what evidence looks like. Both parties need to be clear of the existence of a quid pro quo. Biden’s is an excel example. They knew Biden expected something or aid was not coming. We can argue if there was personal gain for him or not, but that is a quid pro quo.
Trump made no such claim. Zelensky understood no such demand existed. he has said so. Sondland said no one told him of such a demand. Yovanovitch knew of no such demand. she said so. Bishop and Kent didn’t even have contact with the President.

At some point someone has to provide evidence, not mere speculation. Someone has to provide more than a claim they could read Trump’s mind and intentions
 
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