Sorry, but SSPX Masses DO NOT normally fulfill the Sunday obligation

[JKirkLVNV]

Rubbish

the SPPX is just following the path of the RCC (established through the ages)…how can you be Catholic and demonised at the same time

Whether you fall out of the boat on the left side or the right side, you’ve still fallen out of the boat.

 

[Triumpha]

That’s right, SSPX Masses don’t fulfill one’s Sunday obligation except in extreme circumstances.

First of all, the Ecclesia Dei Commission said this in protocol N. 117/95:

1. The Masses [the SSPX] celebrate are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2)…"

Speaking for myself (and maybe other SSPX supporters believe the same thing) I consider that I am morally impeded from participating in Masses offered by a lot of priests in good standing! So, I’m still within the law!

Triumpha.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Speaking for myself (and maybe other SSPX supporters believe the same thing) I consider that I am morally impeded from participating in Masses offered by a lot of priests in good standing! So, I’m still within the law!

Triumpha.

What do you mean?

 

[Triumpha]

So the path of the RCC over the ages has been disobedience to the Pope? I wasn’t told!

Obedience to God. Sometimes it conflicts with obedience to the Pope.

Obey God before man.

Obedience is at the service of faith!



Triumpha.

 

[maurin]

I would much rather attend an SSPX Mass as opposed to an irreverant…modernist (one filled with abuses and invalid due to content) new mass…And yes…attending an SSPX Mass does fulfill your Sunday obligation…regardless of what you think…secondly, a lay Catholic’s canonical standing has not been defined for one that attends an SSPX Mass…which means it is not schismatic or heretical, etc…it is perfectly valid for one to attend if they so choose.

Thank you Your Holiness.

 

[Kielbasi]

That’s right, SSPX Masses don’t fulfill one’s Sunday obligation except in extreme circumstances.

Msgr. Perl said that an SSPX Mass could, “in the strict sense,” fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. In the same way, a Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy could, in the strict sense, fulfill one’s Sunday obligation. But that would only be the case if there was no possible way for a person to attend a Catholic Mass, for example, if they were in Greece and it was impossible for them to find a Catholic church, whereas Greek Orthodox churches abound. However, at the same time, the person wouldn’t be bound by the Sunday obligation.

Wouldn’t it be more concise to say that an SSPX mass *never *fulfills one’s Sunday obligation, just like a EO liturgy never does?

If someone were unable to attend a Catholic mass on Sunday (say due to weather), yet lived next door to a SSPX chapel so the weather wouldn’t be an issue there, would they be obligated to attend the SSPX chapel in such a circumstance?

Of course not, the obligation under that circumstance doesn’t exist, so attendance at the SSPX chapel doesn’t satisfy the obligation at all.

 

[Hellisreal]

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What it comes down to—I will not judge those who do attend the SSPX Mass. From what I gather from Ms. Arnolds response–no one is in a position to judge them either.

I love my brothers and sisters in Christ that attend SSPX Mass. I am saddened and hurting for them reading some posts here, because we are in no position to judge them.

The SSPX masses sound so beautiful, and so reverent.

 

[maurin]

So the path of the RCC over the ages has been disobedience to the Pope? I wasn’t told! Amazing how SSPX supporters ignore the fact that they are in disobedience and the organisation’s priests are in schism and their bishops excommunicated: but they make a huge deal out of their adherence to the centuries of tradition (with a small T). The Pope has the authority to change the mass in most ways (keeping the consecration valid).

Why would people bother with the schismatic SSPX when there are organisations like ICRSS and FSSP?

Excellent question, unless of course there is no ICRSS (?–is this an indult Mass?) or FSSP available to them. If there is a will, there is a way, though, I have found.

Motivation, though, would be interesting to discover, from those who are arguing for the SSPX.

 

[Kielbasi]

Excellent question, unless of course there is no ICRSS (?–is this an indult Mass?) or FSSP available to them. If there is a will, there is a way, though, I have found.

Motivation, though, would be interesting to discover, from those who are arguing for the SSPX.

There is a distinct difference between the FSSP and the SSPX. FSSP’ers believe that the mainstream liturgy of the Catholic Church is perfectly copasetic. SSPX’ers believe that it is invalid, illicit, or both.

I guess the position of an individual on this issue would determine where they would choose to go.

 

[Marilena]

actually kielbasi, i asked my priest about the NO. he never once said it was illicit or invalid, quite the opposite in fact.
he stated that it is valid and licit. i don’t know if that was the answer you were looking for? ?

 

[estesbob]

Because the Bishop of Sacramento, the Reverend William K Weigand, told me and about 90 other people so in a Diocese seminar.

He took a poll amongst his priests, and found out that 30% dont believe in the Real Presence.

If thats the case, than in my diocese 30% of Masses are invalid.

And thats assuming the other 70% speak from their heart.

I dont know how it is in your diocese.

Matter, Form, and Intention.

Most NO masses here in Sacramento only have two out of the three. (in any order)

Do you have a link for this or do we have to take your word for it? Sounds fishy to me but i am sure you can validate what you say.

 

[Lil_M]

I only figured out today what the heck SSPX meant. How would you know if your church was SSPX? Is this an American thing or do I totally live in a bubble?

I thought I had Catholicism mostly figured out, then I joined this forum!

Not to hijack the thread, just a quick question.

 

[Marilena]

I only figured out today what the heck SSPX meant. How would you know if your church was SSPX? Is this an American thing or do I totally live in a bubble?

I thought I had Catholicism mostly figured out, then I joined this forum!

Not to hijack the thread, just a quick question.

you would know automaticially if it was SSPX or not. in the TLM at the SSPX all women wear long clothing and head coverings. some women at the TLM in the FSSP don’t always wear headcoverings. also another way to tell or not, is to look at the SSPX site in your area, sspx.org they lsit all the SSPX chapels in the USA. i might be wrong, but there could be FSSP churches that all the women wear headcoverings and long clothing.

 

[Charleston]

A while back I remember reading Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln Nebraska did some sort of a blanket excommunication of those in attending SSPX chapels, as well as a host of other groups such as Free Masons, Catholics for Free Choice, Planned Parenthood etc. Whatever became of this? Did Rome ever reverse his action?

Apologies if this as already been addressed recently but I can’t keep up with all the SSPX related threads.

Best, :tiphat:

 

[maurin]

There is a distinct difference between the FSSP and the SSPX. FSSP’ers believe that the mainstream liturgy of the Catholic Church is perfectly copasetic. SSPX’ers believe that it is invalid, illicit, or both.

I guess the position of an individual on this issue would determine where they would choose to go.

Of course I am aware that there is a difference between the FSSP and the SSPX .

I remain in agreement with Titus, the original poster to whom I was responding. Where there is a will, there is a way to remain ‘semper fidelis’ and obedient to our Holy Father!!!

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Obedience to God. Sometimes it conflicts with obedience to the Pope.

Obey God before man.

Obedience is at the service of faith!



Triumpha.

“Obedience to God” is submission to the Church to Whom He gave authority. The lawfully promulgated Mass of the Church is the Mass of the Church. Your argument is no different from a Protestant’s, in fact, it is precisely a Protestant argument.

 

[estesbob]

A while back I remember reading Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln Nebraska did some sort of a blanket excommunication of those in attending SSPX chapels, as well as a host of other groups such as Free Masons, Catholics for Free Choice, Planned Parenthood etc. Whatever became of this? Did Rome ever reverse his action?

Apologies if this as already been addressed recently but I can’t keep up with all the SSPX related threads.

Best, :tiphat:

Only one of the orgasnizations(Call to Action , I believe) protested their members excomunication to the Vatican and were rebuffed(the Bishop was uphled) last month.

 

[palmas85]

I only figured out today what the heck SSPX meant. How would you know if your church was SSPX? Is this an American thing or do I totally live in a bubble?

I thought I had Catholicism mostly figured out, then I joined this forum!

Not to hijack the thread, just a quick question.

Ask them. They will tell you. Also, if you call and ask them about Mass times etc, they will normally identify themselves at that point as well. They don’t try to hide it.

 

[Triumpha]

I only figured out today what the heck SSPX meant. How would you know if your church was SSPX?

It should say on the notice outside the church.

That’s the case in the UK anyway.

Triumpha.

 

[Triumpha]

“Obedience to God” is submission to the Church to Whom He gave authority. The lawfully promulgated Mass of the Church is the Mass of the Church. Your argument is no different from a Protestant’s, in fact, it is precisely a Protestant argument.

The Tridentine Rite is the lawfully promulgated one (for the Latin part of the Church anyway).

If my argument is Protestant, then St Vincent of Lerins must have been a Protestant!

quote=St Vincent of Lerins Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly ‘Catholic,’ as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality *, antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike.

(4) What then will the Catholic Christian do, if a small part of the Church has cut itself off from the communion of the universal Faith? The answer is sure. He will prefer the healthiness of the whole body to the morbid and corrupt limb. But what if some novel contagion try to infect the whole Church, and not merely a tiny part of it? Then he will take care to cleave to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any deceit of novelty.* What if in antiquity itself two or three men, or it may be a city, or even a whole province be detected in error? Then he will take the greatest care to prefer the decrees of the ancient General Councils, if there are such, to the irresponsible ignorance of a few men. But what if some error arises regarding which nothing of this sort is to be found? Then he must do his best to compare the opinions of the Fathers and inquire their meaning, provided always that, though they belonged to diverse times and places, they yet continued in the faith and communion of the one Catholic Church; and let them be teachers approved and outstanding. And whatever he shall find to have been held, approved and taught, not by one or two only but by all equally and with one consent, openly, frequently, and persistently, let him take this as to be held by him without the slightest hesitation.

It’s what trads do! Call it Protestant private judgment if you wish. It’s simply good sound Catholic sense, if you ask me!

Triumpha.
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