Naturalism is the view that only the natural, i.e. material, or at most, realities within a closed-system universe, exists, such that there are no supernatural powers or properties. Naturalism is oftentimes synonymous with materialism, but not necessarily so, since naturalism does not necessarily hold that all reality is material, but certainly holds to no reality is supernatural, and therefore denies the existence of God.
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that it appear that most gay people are not naturalists?
Ummm I don’t know what most gay people are.
I don’t think he’s saying either of those points. I think he’s just saying that homosexuality, that is, same-sex attraction, is a defective form of human sexuality, though I think the better word would be disordered. I’m not sure how well the translation is from Spanish.
Really, homosexuality, like all basic psychological schemata, is a function of combination of bio-psycho-social factors. This includes heterosexuality.
Agreed. To be honest, I think the genesis of homosexuality is mostly irrelevant to its moral status as acted upon through human activity. To take a somewhat unrelated example, humans equally have in-built predilections to violence and revenge. Just because these are “natural” and “part of the human condition” doesn’t mean that we should act out upon them.
I don’t know about that. I know many many ex lesbians. Heck, I dated two of them:shrug:
Hehe… What are the odds of that???
They were never lesbians or they were bi-sexual. I guarantee that they did not stop being attracted to women.
Gosh, how does one respond to that? Heads I win, tails you lose.
Interesting that you can guarantee that.
Somehow, I can change, but if I liked sodomy I couldn’t?Sounds like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There are lesbians and then there are women who tried sex with women (and enjoyed it) because it is “safe” (i.e. no pregnancy and they don’t think they can get STIs), but then got bored and want a family. Sexual orientation is about durable attraction not enjoying the sex. Less educated women are much likely to have sexual experiences with women, this is because there tends to be a dearth of “eligible men”, the sex is good and they can’t get pregnant (they can’t afford to have one either).
Didn’t you know that pretending to be a lesbian is a way to get a guy more interested in you?Interesting that you can guarantee that.
I dated “lipstick lesbians.” But I knew many others. It was back when we all lived lives of debauchery. Many of them are nice little soccer moms now. They have no attraction to women. One who I dated I saw over Christmas at Mass with her husband and 2 children. She at one time was a very very militant lesbian. She did not identify as bi then or now. Now she is strait.
Sometimes it IS learned behavior. There is a reason why two girls who are friends can make out in a hot tub but two dudes? No way. Because it is acceptable in the culture.
I used to run with a pretty hard crew. And mostly gay. One of my relatives was gay and he was one of my best friends. And he lived a very very fast life. The parties were incredible. Like gatsby stuff. Boats, jet skis home theatres, corvettes. And everyone was there. A lot of horrible things happened. I hesitate typing this because really, it was shameful, satanic stuff that was glorified when it should not have been. I wish to God I could have converted earlier in my life.
But I know many many gay people and have had very in depth, candid and explicit talks with them. The media and the gay culture have an agenda and that agenda begins with cleaning up and making natural the things that go on. What the media wants you to see is a sassy gay friend who says “giiiiirrrl” or someone to help you dress nice, or someone who is funny, or two caring “parents” or two nice middle aged men holding hands in vermont while looking at antique shops. That is not reality. It is about sodomy, it is about debauchery, it is about denying holiness in exchange for “freedom” It is about broken lives and broken bodies. But the media and society are talking about “born this way”
Well, I was born with the inclination to like redheads and more than one readhead at that. My wife though is a brunette and I am monogamous.
I don’t know about the less educated dynamic. That does not fit the “I experimented in college”Sounds like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There are lesbians and then there are women who tried sex with women (and enjoyed it) because it is “safe” (i.e. no pregnancy and they don’t think they can get STIs), but then got bored and want a family. Sexual orientation is about durable attraction not enjoying the sex. Less educated women are much likely to have sexual experiences with women, this is because there tends to be a dearth of “eligible men”, the sex is good and they can’t get pregnant (they can’t afford to have one either).
Didn’t you know that pretending to be a lesbian is a way to get a guy more interested in you?
I suppose the lack of men knowing is why it still works, that said I have no idea why it works in the first place.
I know several gay men and most of them aren’t particularly effeminate (I’ve known heterosexual men who are even more effeminate), you wouldn’t know they were gay just by looking at them and they weren’t the kind who told people they didn’t know that they were gay. Their lives are just as boring as straight men.
Sounds like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
There are lesbians and then there are women who tried sex with women (and enjoyed it) because it is “safe” (i.e. no pregnancy and they don’t think they can get STIs), but then got bored and want a family. Sexual orientation is about durable attraction not enjoying the sex. Less educated women are much likely to have sexual experiences with women, this is because there tends to be a dearth of “eligible men”, the sex is good and they can’t get pregnant (they can’t afford to have one either).
Didn’t you know that pretending to be a lesbian is a way to get a guy more interested in you?
I suppose the lack of men knowing is why it still works, that said I have no idea why it works in the first place.
I know several gay men and most of them aren’t particularly effeminate (I’ve known heterosexual men who are even more effeminate), you wouldn’t know they were gay just by looking at them and they weren’t the kind who told people they didn’t know that they were gay. Their lives are just as boring as straight men.
Really, you have no idea? Come on.
A canard. Homosexuality as it is promoted by activists is not present in the animal kingdom. There may be homosexual activity but it’s generally the result of a stressful and unnatural environment (such as rats confined in small places only with the same sex), it may be a dominance behavior as with birds who will “rape” another male to obtain his mate or it may be a manifestation of estrus (heat). So you will see cows mounting each other but it’s because they want to mate. Show a “homosexual” animal the opposite sex and they will quickly abandon the idea of homosexual orientation to engage in natural mating behavior.
This is the best post I’ve ever seen on CAF.Interesting that you can guarantee that.
I dated “lipstick lesbians.” But I knew many others. It was back when we all lived lives of debauchery. Many of them are nice little soccer moms now. They have no attraction to women. One who I dated I saw over Christmas at Mass with her husband and 2 children. She at one time was a very very militant lesbian. She did not identify as bi then or now. Now she is strait.
Sometimes it IS learned behavior. There is a reason why two girls who are friends can make out in a hot tub but two dudes? No way. Because it is acceptable in the culture.
I used to run with a pretty hard crew. And mostly gay. One of my relatives was gay and he was one of my best friends. And he lived a very very fast life. The parties were incredible. Like gatsby stuff. Boats, jet skis home theatres, corvettes. And everyone was there. A lot of horrible things happened. I hesitate typing this because really, it was shameful, satanic stuff that was glorified when it should not have been. I wish to God I could have converted earlier in my life.
But I know many many gay people and have had very in depth, candid and explicit talks with them. The media and the gay culture have an agenda and that agenda begins with cleaning up and making natural the things that go on. What the media wants you to see is a sassy gay friend who says “giiiiirrrl” or someone to help you dress nice, or someone who is funny, or two caring “parents” or two nice middle aged men holding hands in vermont while looking at antique shops. That is not reality. It is about sodomy, it is about debauchery, it is about denying holiness in exchange for “freedom” It is about broken lives and broken bodies. But the media and society are talking about “born this way”
Well, I was born with the inclination to like redheads and more than one readhead at that. My wife though is a brunette and I am monogamous.
It doesn’t fit what people think they know, but when you think about it, it does make sense that it’d be higher amongst women of less education. The reason it seems higher is that women with a degree are statistically much more likely to write articles and such about it than without one and especially more than someone without a HS diploma, also the lower down the educational ladder you go, the less “eligible men” there are (i.e. not poor and without a rap sheet).I don’t know about the less educated dynamic. That does not fit the “I experimented in college”
All I know is that many people have an opinion on this and they are sure they are right but rarely is the opinion backed up by real world experience. But it makes for a nice grant for academia types to use to come out with a “study”
BTW It worked, I was more attracted to them as lesbians. But that might have something to do with my understanding of sexuality as well. Honestly since I became Catholic, married, and a father, I find the idea of two girls to be just as disgusting as two guys.
The Catholic Church is in a positive position to help homosexuals. More so than any other institution or government on earth. For not only do we have the Gospel aspect of a message but we also have a resource and the tools to help people live a CHASTE life. We have had hundreds of years and millions of men lead celibate lives. We have the experience, and ability to help. The problem is that many homosexuals are not Catholic. And in our society they are even being pushed to be sexually active by others. Honestly it is part of the push for this “gay marriage” issue. It has traction because people do not know how to respond to the idea that others might live a fulfilled life outside of sex and marriage. Secular society does not have the examples of the Catholic faith. They don’t have the saints. They have sex=fulfillment and who am I to deny others fulfillment of their lives. It comes down to the average person having no real experience with homosexual lifestyles deciding that it is wrong for them to either say they can never have sex or they must have sex with the opposite sex. Those are the only two fulfilments they can see!!!
As a heterosexual woman I’m about as sexually interested in a lesbian couple as the average heterosexual man is sexually interested in a gay couple.Really, you have no idea? Come on.
How about anthropologically.
Man must conquest women.
Man is judged by his fellow men on how many women he can get, How strong he is, how many sabre toothed tigers he wears on his loins.
Man must be really manly if he can get TWO women at the same time.
Easy way for that to happen is if the two women like being with each other.
Etc.
Then you add the visual effect of two female bodies and two being more than one…
No idea? please
Not really. The concept of “no” as you put it is really saying yes to something else. We all are called to live a vocation of no. I am in my marriage. I say “no” all the time. To porn, to other women, to my own desires and needs.
And tell me, what are we telling them they can say yes to? Heterosexuals can say yes to marriage in which sex can very much be just as satisfying or more so than fornication and definitely more so than porn, but what about gay people, what can they say yes to?
Correlation does not imply causation