Spanish youths attack Catholic school, threaten to burn priests alive

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EmperorNapoleon said:
The Spanish Civil War didn’t have anything to do with atheism. Its primary purpose was the restoration of the monarchy (a far right wing position) culminating in the installment of Franco as Regent to the King with the support of the Church.
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The impetus for the initial rebellion was the murdering of priests by fanatical Marxists being ignored by the far-left pro-Stalin government.
 
triumphguy said:
Sources please.

Winston Churchill was anti-fascist.
Pope Pius XII was anti fascist.
My parents during WW2 were anti-fascist.
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your parents were radical leftists? you seem to have turned out ok for the most part .🤷
 
Pius XII was not a radical leftist. Some members of the Dutch Resistance were radical leftists, as were some Jews.
 
And people say religion brings murder :rolleyes:
triumphguy said:
According to friend who was just over there, 50% of the under 30’s are unemployed.

High unemployment of disaffected youth leads to (pick one or all)… mob violence, communism, fascism, anti-clericalism, ethnic violence, football hooliganism, riots etc., etc.
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Don’t know how football plays a role in this, but overall, I agree
 
Gift_from_God said:
And people say religion brings murder :rolleyes:

Don’t know how football plays a role in this, but overall, I agree
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You know round ball kicked with foot, thousands of rabid fans, vicious hatred for opposing teams… riots in the streets etc.

Like the hockey riot on Vancouver, except that was hockey…
 
april32010 said:
your parents were radical leftists? you seem to have turned out ok for the most part .🤷
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😃
Seamus_L said:
Pius XII was not a radical leftist. Some members of the Dutch Resistance were radical leftists, as were some Jews.
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So some were, and some weren’t then.

So if you discount Pope John Paul II who was anti-fascist, Pope Pius XII, General Eisenhower, Winston Churchill, The King of England, the pilots in the Battle of Britain, the Royal Navy, the Canadian Navy, the British and Commonwealth armies, and the American Armed forces, all of the citizens of allied countries, and every person in countries occupied by Japan and Nazi Germany

then everyone who was anti-fascist was an extreme leftist (except for those who were conservative).

I’m glad we cleared it up:thumbsup:😛
 
No we didn’t clear it up. Let’ try it again. Because individuals or groups are totally opposed to the tenets of fascism, does NOT make them radical leftists, however, groups that make frequent use of the term anti-fascist are very, very, frequently violent leftists, who quite often label anyone they disagree with as a fascist.
If someone invites you to a meeting-rally etc described as anti-fascist, you're probably in for a big surprise if you're expecting a Catholic youth group or military veterans get togather.
 
This would not have happened under Franco. Communists such as these were handled properly then.
 
Geist said:
This would not have happened under Franco. Communists such as these were handled properly then.
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It is entirely possible that Franco’s dictatorship fueled this anti-Catholicism. Oppressive policies and tactics may pacify some moderates, but it also tends to radicalize the opposition. Those grievances have, sadly, become part of Spanish culture.
 
Violent anti-clericalism in Spain dates back way before Franco’s birth.
 
Seamus_L said:
Violent anti-clericalism in Spain dates back way before Franco’s birth.
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Yes, but Franco’s policies didn’t help. Nor did the Catholic Church’s support for him.
Instead of coming to terms with the underlying issues, Franco simply clamped down.

It is possible to ride a tiger, but eventually you have to get off. And that is when things get unpleasant for you.
(It had already been unpleasant for the tiger)
 
This is very reminiscent of the American Know-Nothing Party of the 19th century and the 2nd Ku Klux Klan of the 20th century.
 
Seamus_L said:
Those who describe themselves as anti-fascist are almost always radical leftists. And quite often many of those they label as fascists, are not fascists at all.
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Seamus_L said:
No we didn’t clear it up. Let’ try it again. Because individuals or groups are totally opposed to the tenets of fascism, does NOT make them radical leftists, however, groups that make frequent use of the term anti-fascist are very, very, frequently violent leftists, who quite often label anyone they disagree with as a fascist.
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                     If someone invites you to a meeting-rally etc described as anti-fascist, you're probably in for a big surprise if you're expecting a Catholic youth group or military veterans get togather.
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I agree with your second post, which is far clearer than the first.👍
 
Spain has been going down hill ever since the Spanish Armada got their butts kicked by the British. What a pathetic country Spain has become.
 
Pork_Roll said:
Spain has been going down hill ever since the Spanish Armada got their butts kicked by the British. What a pathetic country Spain has become.
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There was a long time where blind “Catholicism” as practiced by countries like Portugal and Spain was not good for the development of a civic society, and there was a also a time when “protestantism” allowed (after the initial “unpleasantness”) the development of modern free societies.

Of course, true Catholic thought has always been oriented to the freedom of persons, but the powerful in Church and State often worked together for other political and economic ends.
 
and there was a also a time when “protestantism” allowed (after the initial “unpleasantness”) the development of modern free societies.
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Not so sure there were really any good things that came from protestantism with the exception of their devotion to reading the scriptures. As far as I’m concerned, anything good was likely already there in catholic Europe. I’d say that protestantism was what lead to the enlightenment and all the evils that befalls the west today. Middle Ages Europe was the high point of Christendom IMO. It has been downhill since then (except of course the advances in modern medicine).
 
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