Spanking may be linked to later mental disorders

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It also means you will get a kick up the arse if you keep on going. There has been a move away from smacking children. And the futher we have moved away from smacking the more society as degraded.
There have been a lot more societal changes than this one thing. A person could say the further we moved away from racial segregation, the more society has degraded, but that doesn’t make it the cause of said degradation. I know I’m repeating myself, but it would seem to me that the breakdown of the traditional family is likely behind much of society’s ills…
 
It also means you will get a kick up the arse if you keep on going. There has been a move away from smacking children. And the futher we have moved away from smacking the more society as degraded.
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There have been a lot more societal changes than this one thing. A person could say the further we moved away from racial segregation, the more society has degraded, but that doesn’t make it the cause of said degradation. I know I’m repeating myself, but it would seem to me that the breakdown of the traditional family is likely behind much of society’s ills…
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I think there are many problems with spanking, and long term psychological effects might be one of them (that reason alone should give all parents serious motivation to seek other “tools” for educating and forming their children)… but the more immediate problem is that a spanking absolutely DOES NOT teach a child right from wrong. In fact, it handicaps moral development by teaching them to consider only the fear of punishment- that is, the outcome of a behaviour TO THEMSELVES. It motivates them to try and hide their behaviour that they fear might displease us, it teaches them to fear failure, it creates or contributes to an adversarial tone in the parent-child relationship that often predicts increasing trouble down the road… PUNISHMENT does not teach… DISCIPLINE does. That is, making DISCIPLES of your children- teaching them, reasoning with them, modeling respect, grace, kindness, patience… And until then, we can choose to avoid situations, we can find ways to make it safe, we can TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

In closing, I’d like to add that this one study does not stand alone, flawed as the wording or methodology might be… EVERY study done on spanking, in every country in the world, for more than 50 years shows that spanking is at best ineffective and at worst extremely damaging to moral and psychological development…
Dear undergrace,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

The vast majority of parents quite rightly continue to believe that physical chastisement is an effective and jolly valuable disciplinary tool, provided that it is administered appropriately within the context of loving home where the children are reared by well-balanced parents. It is essential to find a happy medium between firmness and loving sensitivity. It is perfectly true, dear friend, that corporal punishment may not be appropriate for every child or at every age and may not be always warranted in certain situations. For example, willful disobedience and defiance of authority might require physical punishment, whilst mere childish irresponsibility and frivolity decidedly does not. However, when corporal punishment is properly managed there is no valid reason to fear that it it will, at length, produce harmful or psychological/emotional effects in children. To dogmatically assert that it will do so, is to be duped by so called studies, such as the one linked by the OP, conducted by those with an a priori bias and antipathy against virtually any authority and discipline worthy of the name. Even good Catholic people can be deceived by the superficially plausible arguments of the so called ‘experts’ who have, of course, their own liberal agenda for society. Moroever, the studies also reflect the unrelentless barrage of propaganda with which parents have been subjected since the 1960’s and so it is hardly surprising that many have been brainwashed into believing that physical chastisement is ineffective and damaging to moral and psychological development. Such is the impact of liberal ideology and its aggressive indoctrination programme. Catholics should also be made aware that the alleged ‘experts’ on child discipline/development are invariably hostile to the Christian religion and so have their own reasons for disliking physical punishment and wanting it banned, given its advocacy by conservative Christians.

However, dear friend, there may just be a glimmer of light looming upon the horizon, amidst all this wrongheaded thinking, for social science appears at long last to be catching up with the sound and practical wisdom of Sacred Scripture. A 2007 scientific study by the American College of Pediatricians concluded:

“It is clear that parents should not rely on disciplinary spanking to accomplish control of their child’s behaviour. Evidence suggests that it can be a useful and necessary part of a successful disciplinary plan. Like any corrective measure, its application requires a proactive rather than a reactive approach to produce an optimal outcome. Disciplinary spanking is most beneficial and necessary during the ages of 2 to 6 years when reasoning alone is often ineffective and even counter-productive in managing behaviour. With cognitive development , a child is more likely to respond to reasoning and less assertive corrective methods, such as privilege removal and logical consequences, thereby diminishing the need for spanking”.

There is little, if anything, that I would disagree with here, dear friend, and I suspect that would be the case for all the advocates of the moderate physical chastisement of children. It is surely a welcome return to the good old fashioned common sense, supported by the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

In concluding let me say, dear friend, that it is a sad fact that our Western world has become deeply suspicious of the whole concept of punishment for wrongdoing. Our judicial and penal systems tend to want to deal with criminals merely in terms of detering and reforming them, rather than in terms of retribution. Herein lies the imbalance of a liberal society, I am afraid, and this warped thinking has necessarily influenced the discipline and training of children. Modern society by and large has completely lost sight of this whole idea of punishment, which has come to be viewed as something negative and associated with revenge. Thus it is hardly surprising that innumerable modern psychologists, from Dr. Spock to those ubiquitous so called magazine ‘agony aunts’, have spared no effort in trying to convince the public that the whole concept of punishment is mistaken and unhelpful, having no place in a modern civilised society. Now I would contend, dear friend, that many modern Catholics have, either wittingly or unwittingly, to some extent at least, bought into this liberal drivel and that this has informed their views respecting child discipline and rearing. Sadly, many ignorant persons equate the corporal punishment of children with child abuse and so it is increasingly difficult to have a reasoned debate, without people resorting to emotive language.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
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Ruff!

“No Fido, the two-state Solution will not work”

Ruff! Ruff!

“Even if it could bring peace to Israel and Palestine there are still the six nations that want to destroy Israel”

Ruff Ruff!

“No Fido those nations aren’t going to immediately put their sabres down if a peace deal was brokered”

Ruff!

“Ahhh I can’t deal with you Fido…you’re just wrong!..”

…

“…you wanna treat?”

Ruff Ruff! 🙂

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That’s about how it went! I’d swear my dog is just like Hillary Clinton! LOL :rotfl:
 
Of course it is important to be clear and to follow through on what you have said, but “not taking garbage” from your kids does not require corporal (or any) punishment. First of all, the lady should have set her kid up for success by giving clear warnings of when it was going to be time to go. (Five minutes! Two minutes! One minute! Get your towel, we’re going now!) She could use that last technique in brackets to put the child’s mind on the next task, gathering his things, instead of creating a power struggle the way she did. Empty warnings are bunk. So are true threats of imposed punishments. They undermine the relationship, which is the basis of your power to influence and form the child. In my professional work with children with behavioural disorders, I simply would not take a child swimming unless I was getting in the pool myself.

It is very frustrating to me that parenting remains limited by this false dichotomy of permissive or authoritarian parenting. There is another way. You can be the authority- have the child learning from you and following you willingly, if you will only offer them respect and the straight information. It requires honesty, perseverence, and TIME. It is HARDER… but instead of just appearing to work for a short time, it ACTUALLY WORKS at forming intrinsically motivated, respectful people who actually want to offer you grace back!
Dear undergrace,

Cordial greetings and hello again.

What is surely important, dear friend, is that we inculcate to our children at a very early stage of their development that we mean business and will not tolerate any insubordination from them.

Unfortunately, owing to very poor catechesis within contemporary Catholicism, many have forgotten that our children are not born virtuous but are, as a consequence of the Fall, conceived in sin with a strong bias towards wrongdoing. Aristotle recognized that there are some children with an excellent temperament and tender conscience who are amenable to persuasion by reasonable argument. However, the vast majority of the young have no inclination to listen respectfully to the sound wisdom and reasonable argumentation of their parents and teachers. The plainest evidence for this, dear friend, is that when a miscreant’s naugtiness to brought to his attention, he is not given to shame but to fear. Thus children seldom refrain from wrongdoing because of any disgrace attaching to their actions, but invariably from fear of punishment or the consequences ensuing from their bad conduct. This is why there will always be a place for corporal punishment and why it is sanctioned in Sacred Scripture. The wise teaching of Sacred Scripture does not go bad with the passage of time or become irrelevant.

Walking in the straight and narrow path which leads to eternal life simply does not come naturally to our offspring because “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Prov. 22: 15). As a result of their wounded natures, dear friend, children are deeply self-willed and fiercely independent and so do not take kindly to being told what to do - even by the most patient and loving parents who make every effort not to needlessly provoke them to anger. Therefore, because this inward disposition to wrongdoing is deeply ingrained into their natures, the employment of physical chastisement on occasions is an essential component in child rearing and we disregard it at our peril. The ‘rod of discipline’ is not something that is culturally bound, for the bias towards wrongdoing in children does not change from one generation to another. Thus, physical punishment is required today just as much as when the Book of Proverbs was penned, even more so, given the unprecedented youth rebellion and ungovernable behaviour with which today’s parent’s must contend.

Of course, dear friend, there are still many admirable and well-bred young people in our godless society, but, alas, there are multitudes of unruly and discourteous young people, noted for their disobedience to parents and those in authority over them. Now I would not stop to deny that other factors have played a part in youth rebellion (e.g. the godless youth culture), but it is surely undeniable that the discontinuation of physical punishment at home and in our educational establishments has been pivitol. To quote the old truism, we have "spared the rod and spoilt the child’ and are now paying a heavy price in terms of ever rising anti-social behaviour in our young people. Benjamin Spock, who later in life joined the chorus against corporal punishment, promised a more “kindlier society” and “safer world” if only there could first be a revulsion against the physical chastisement of children. However, not only has Mr. Spock’s misguided and zany thinking caused untold harm as regards child rearing, his fantasy of a ‘kindlier society’ and ‘safer world’ has conspicuously failed to materialize. Perhaps his own theories must take some share of the blame for that.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
These are the kind of “scientific” “studies” people should ignore. You also have to remember that the “scientists” conducting the “study” probably view religious beliefs as a disorder, a lack of behavioral disorder as a disorder, and being a good person as a disorder. The abnormal consider themselves not to be disordered. I disagree. I would consider their perversities to be disorders. They think being chaste until marriage is a disorder.
 
Do you suppose God did not realize we would be reading these passages as well?
I doubt that.
I would rather think that God knew well who would be reading this and included teachings that are timeless.

Thanks very much.
But I believe I will stick with the traditions that my parents taught me and that their parents taught them.
It seems to have worked well for a few generations now, I have every reason to expect it will continue to do so.

Punishment has its place. We should never forget that.
When a child willingly breaks the rules, they should know there will be swift consequences for it.
Whether that includes a swift slap or something substantially more creative is up to the parent.

No, I mean exercise of all forms of punishment, the specific flavor of such should be entirely up to the parent.
Dear vz71,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good post and well expressed. My sentiments entirely.

The Christian life is a disciplined life, after all. If children grow up having their own way and being feather-bedded by well-meaning parents, they will never know that discipline and sacrifice are a part and parcel of life. The Gospel message is that the Christian life is a disciplined life and so our young people need to know that there are consequences for wrongdoing.

Corporal punishment, dear friend, gains more than merely short term, immediate compliance, but is an effective form of behavoural modification, within the context of a loving family environment, over the long term, as both Sacred Scripture and the welter of anecdotal evidence evinces most clearly.

Here in the UK, dear friend, they have this programme called Supernanny which treats of children with extremely bad behaviour and helping parents to deal with this. In one programme we we saw the struggle of two young people trying to raise four children. The parents were jolly jaded and one could plainly see that the children ruled the household completely. One of the children, a four year old, addressed his mother in a most uncomplimentary manner regarding her weight. Sadly the parents seemed to lack even an elementary idea of discipline. The so called ‘experts’ were scratching their heads also - could it be a poor diet, electronic entertainment or school being too competitive! What about Original Sin and the propensity in fallen man for wrongdoing, which must be dealt with in the early stages of child development, otherwise behavoural problems will surely emerge.

Children’s childhood is being affected by the adult world in which they grow up in. Parents try to compensate by showering them with nicities, wide choices in food and drink - anything but administering discipline, including physical punishment when that is called for. The best start for a child is a happy loving home and insistence that they obey and keep the rules or there will be consequences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Dear vz71,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good post and well expressed. My sentiments entirely.

The Christian life is a disciplined life, after all. If children grow up having their own way and being feather-bedded by well-meaning parents, they will never know that discipline and sacrifice are a part and parcel of life. The Gospel message is that the Christian life is a disciplined life and so our young people need to know that there are consequences for wrongdoing.

Corporal punishment, dear friend, gains more than merely short term, immediate compliance, but is an effective form of behavoural modification, within the context of a loving family environment, over the long term, as both Sacred Scripture and the welter of anecdotal evidence evinces most clearly.

Here in the UK, dear friend, they have this programme called Supernanny which treats of children with extremely bad behaviour and helping parents to deal with this. In one programme we we saw the struggle of two young people trying to raise four children. The parents were jolly jaded and one could plainly see that the children ruled the household completely. One of the children, a four year old, addressed his mother in a most uncomplimentary manner regarding her weight. Sadly the parents seemed to lack even an elementary idea of discipline. The so called ‘experts’ were scratching their heads also - could it be a poor diet, electronic entertainment or school being too competitive! What about Original Sin and the propensity in fallen man for wrongdoing, which must be dealt with in the early stages of child development, otherwise behavoural problems will surely emerge.

Children’s childhood is being affected by the adult world in which they grow up in. Parents try to compensate by showering them with nicities, wide choices in food and drink - anything but administering discipline, including physical punishment when that is called for. The best start for a child is a happy loving home and insistence that they obey and keep the rules or there will be consequences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
hi Portrait,

I sometimes watch that show, Supernanny, and am amazed at how long one incident of discipline drags out! There can be hours and hours of dragging a child to the “Naughty Spot” and repeating this over and over and over! At least one parent can do NOTHING else including giving any attention to the remaining children. How realistic is this? I feel sorry for the child and think that with some kids, you are not gaining cooperation, they are just worn out and you have merely put the struggle into the next naughty event. With my son whom I did spank, the quicker we got to the spanking, the faster the event was OVER and he was repentant.

But ultimately, even if the parent decides never to spank (the naughtiness is OVER much more quickly!), the main thing is to RESPOND in some way to the child’s challenge. You can see so many ways in which these very naughty children are challenging the parent to respond. Their behavior practically BEGS for a response. Yet the parents try to ignore them, or are too tired to form a response. Or they feel the child will outgrow the bad behavior. Gee, did God just turn away from Israel and say, “Well, they will outgrow all that stubbornness some day?” NO, he PUNISHED THEM! SEVERELY!

Some people think that Jesus is only a God of love and not justice. I guess we will all see … or not …
 
hi Portrait,

I** sometimes watch that show, Supernanny, and am amazed at how long one incident of discipline drags out! There can be hours and hours of dragging a child to the “Naughty Spot” and repeating this over and over and over! At least one parent can do NOTHING else including giving any attention to the remaining children. How realistic is this?** I feel sorry for the child and think that with some kids, you are not gaining cooperation, they are just worn out and you have merely put the struggle into the next naughty event. With my son whom I did spank, the quicker we got to the spanking, the faster the event was OVER and he was repentant.

But ultimately, even if the parent decides never to spank (the naughtiness is OVER much more quickly!),** the main thing is to RESPOND in some way to the child’s challenge. You can see so many ways in which these very naughty children are challenging the parent to respond. Their behavior practically BEGS for a response. Yet the parents try to ignore them, or are too tired to form a response. Or they feel the child will outgrow the bad behavior. ** .
In fairness to the Supernanny situations, these kids have not had any consistent discipline EVER before, which is why the parents have had to call in the Supernanny. In a normal family that uses variations on time out (naughty step, whatever), removal of privileges, whatever from early on, you aren’t going to have these drawn out sessions because you have instilled discipline from the beginning. But in any family that has had no discipline for years, there are going to be major blowups at first when the parents start to claim their control. So that’s really what you’re seeing on the Supernanny. Frankly, I’ve seen the same thing happen with parents who decided to start spanking after a child was running wild for several years (a coworker of mine took over parenting of her grandchild who had experienced NO discipline whatsoever with their mom and she was spanking that kid every day for the first month or so that she was with her).

We started using time out with my son right around age 2, and the most I’ve ever had to put him back in his time out chair was three times and he is actually quite strong willed. I’ve never had to spend lengthy amounts of time starting the time out over and over like you see on Sueprnanny. However, he has been shown from the beginning that we are in charge and that resistence is futile 😛

I TOTALLY agree that parents have to respond to willfully naughty behavior. Ignoring it clearly does not make it go away! I think many parents are, as you say, too tired to respond or just hoping the problems will get better on their own. We both know it doesn’t work that way!
 
hi Portrait,

I sometimes watch that show, Supernanny, and am amazed at how long one incident of discipline drags out! There can be hours and hours of dragging a child to the “Naughty Spot” and repeating this over and over and over! At least one parent can do NOTHING else including giving any attention to the remaining children. How realistic is this? I feel sorry for the child and think that with some kids, you are not gaining cooperation, they are just worn out and you have merely put the struggle into the next naughty event. With my son whom I did spank, the quicker we got to the spanking, the faster the event was OVER and he was repentant.

But ultimately, even if the parent decides never to spank (the naughtiness is OVER much more quickly!), the main thing is to RESPOND in some way to the child’s challenge. You can see so many ways in which these very naughty children are challenging the parent to respond. Their behavior practically BEGS for a response. Yet the parents try to ignore them, or are too tired to form a response. Or they feel the child will outgrow the bad behavior. Gee, did God just turn away from Israel and say, “Well, they will outgrow all that stubbornness some day?” NO, he PUNISHED THEM! SEVERELY!

Some people think that Jesus is only a God of love and not justice. I guess we will all see … or not …
Dear TheRealJuliane,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Hope all is well and thankyou for your response.

You are quite right, dear sister, the children featured in that programme ugently require some sort of response, but their parents seem woefully inadequate as regards basic parenting skills and child discipline. Unfortunately, these parents themselves are part of a very confused society that has lost sight of the whole notion of punishment for wrongdoing. As our Western world becomes increasingly more secular, people look less, if at all, to the Judeo-Christian position on child rearing and more to the child development experts for answers. Indeed, an almost obsequious deference is paid to these experts as if their skewed theories were somehow proven and not subject to any challenge. Have we really had to wait until now to learn how to properly raise our children and the right and wrong way of doing this? Have previous generations, including multitudes of good Catholics, been completely off beam when it comes to child discipline? To believe this surely requires a great deal of credulity.

This whole liberal notion that children should never by physically chastised is, quite frankly, utterly absurd, dear sister. Children will, on occasions, require that sort of response and it will, as you found with your son, result in repentance. Moreover, that some parents have used physical correction in excess or far too violently is not a sufficient or compelling enough reason to not use it at all. The fact is that the vast majority of parents use reasonable chastisement and their children are not psychologically damaged or a mass of bruises. Indeed, the children who receive moderate physical chastisement usually grow up to be perfectly happy well-adjusted adults with no emotional disturbances, as many could no doubt testify.

Thankyou, dear sister, for your good common sense (name removed by moderator)ut to the present discussion.

BTW, I hope you enjoyed your visit to London a few years back - I have not, as yet, been on the ‘London Eye’.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax:tiphat:
 
There have been a lot more societal changes than this one thing. A person could say the further we moved away from racial segregation, the more society has degraded, but that doesn’t make it the cause of said degradation. I know I’m repeating myself, but it would seem to me that the breakdown of the traditional family is likely behind much of society’s ills…
Your logic is flawed. Racial segregation had nothing to do with discipline.
Smacking does. Some kids. Well it seems a lot of kids don’t seem too concerned with the “I’ll give you a stern talking too and send you to your room with your xbox and internet” type of discipline do they? Not judging by the way society had degraded. The more we have moved away from the more traditional methods of punishment. The worst society has become. How many times have you seen a child have a temper tantrum in a supermarket for some chocolate etc, or play up for some toy, while a parent tries to reason with them with the new forms of parenting? It is quite a laugh. As a child if i wanted something my mother didn’t want me to have, i was told no. If i asked again i was told no again. If i ever got it into my head to try a temper tantrum. I was given a smack. Right there in the supermarket. With nods of approval from the other shoppers. I never did have many tantrums.
I think in this day n age of equality people have forgotten. That parents and their kids aren’t equal. That one is the boss and has all the rights.
 
Your logic is flawed. Racial segregation had nothing to do with discipline.
Smacking does. Some kids. Well it seems a lot of kids don’t seem too concerned with the “I’ll give you a stern talking too and send you to your room with your xbox and internet” type of discipline do they? Not judging by the way society had degraded. The more we have moved away from the more traditional methods of punishment. The worst society has become. How many times have you seen a child have a temper tantrum in a supermarket for some chocolate etc, or play up for some toy, while a parent tries to reason with them with the new forms of parenting? It is quite a laugh. As a child if i wanted something my mother didn’t want me to have, i was told no. If i asked again i was told no again. If i ever got it into my head to try a temper tantrum. I was given a smack. Right there in the supermarket. With nods of approval from the other shoppers. I never did have many tantrums.
I think in this day n age of equality people have forgotten. That parents and their kids aren’t equal. That one is the boss and has all the rights.
My logic is fine. My point was that just because A happened and then B happened doesn’t mean that A caused B.

Spanking isn’t the only way to discipline. Lack of discipline at all is a problem, not necessarily the choice of one form or another. Discipline choices may and should vary from family. But you must have consistent discipline and establish parental authority or there will be problems, no doubt.

Parents are the boss, but I disagree that children have no rights. They are human beings after all.
 
““It definitely points to the direction that physical punishment should not be used on children of any age and we need to be considering that when we’re thinking about policy and programs so we can protect children from potentially harmful outcomes,” said study author Tracie Afifi, who is in the department of community health sciences at the University of Manitoba.”"

Read: She wants to outlaw spanking.
 
““It definitely points to the direction that physical punishment should not be used on children of any age and we need to be considering that when we’re thinking about policy and programs so we can protect children from potentially harmful outcomes,” said study author Tracie Afifi, who is in the department of community health sciences at the University of Manitoba.”"

Read: She wants to outlaw spanking.
Possibly. Considering how liberal Canada tends to be politically, I’m a little surprised that it isn’t already illegal there as it is in several European countries. I don’t foresee that happening in the US any time soon however.
 
Possibly. Considering how liberal Canada tends to be politically, I’m a little surprised that it isn’t already illegal there as it is in several European countries. I don’t foresee that happening in the US any time soon however.
No, I don’t believe so either. The only possibility I see is it happening in a couple of very blue, progressive states, and it would still be very controversial.
 
BTW, I hope you enjoyed your visit to London a few years back - I have not, as yet, been on the ‘London Eye’.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax:tiphat:
I did indeed enjoy that trip, despite the rather coarse label I was given by my son that day. 🙂 You should visit the Eye; it’s a very good view from the top! The first time I had ever seen one of the Dyson hand dryers was in that toilet, there at the Eye. Phenomenal machines, those. Just brilliant.
 
My logic is fine. My point was that just because A happened and then B happened doesn’t mean that A caused B.

Spanking isn’t the only way to discipline. Lack of discipline at all is a problem, not necessarily the choice of one form or another. Discipline choices may and should vary from family. But you must have consistent discipline and establish parental authority or there will be problems, no doubt.

Parents are the boss, but I disagree that children have no rights. They are human beings after all.
Dear mini_me640,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

True, dear friend, there is no one method of correcting children and thus no general rule is always applicable all of the time. The characters of children differ so widely, that what would be a severe punishment to one child, would be no punishment at all to another. Having said that, many of us would strongly protest against the liberal notion that no child should ever be physically chastised as physical chastisement is tantamount to child abuse. This is just a crazily ridiculous viewpoint and Catholics should give it a very wide berth.

Children do have some rights, of course dear friend, but the problem today is that children realize their rights but not their responsibilities. Thus, for example, the vicious and ungovernable pupils in our UK state schools know their rights and are not above spinning malicious yarns about how their poor teacher ‘assaulted’ them in defending himself when their blows rained down upon him. This sort of thing would never have occured in my school days because it would not have been tolerated and a caning would have been administered to such hoodlums. Again, many children are aware of their rights when they threaten to inform on their parents to the authorities if they are physically chastised, even moderately. The parents naturally refrain and the children know that they have the upper hand and can more or less ‘call the shots’. This only serves to undermine the parents authority in the eyes of their own children. Now if this is not a recipe for all out rebellion against parental authority then I do not know what is. Clearly, the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of children’s rights and this is making parents jolly hesitant about physically correcting their children if they deem that to be warranted. This is breeding feral children and youths, who feel that they are invincible and who display anti-social behaviour and perpetrate violent acts towards others. All this because they were not physically chastised when that was the most appropriate form of punishment. The misguided child development gurus have a great deal to answer for and people should know that their zany theories on child rearing/discipline have contributed to a more unhappy, violent and unstable society.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
My logic is fine. My point was that just because A happened and then B happened doesn’t mean that A caused B.

Spanking isn’t the only way to discipline. Lack of discipline at all is a problem, not necessarily the choice of one form or another. Discipline choices may and should vary from family. But you must have consistent discipline and establish parental authority or there will be problems, no doubt.

Parents are the boss, but I disagree that children have no rights. They are human beings after all.
while What you say is true in some cases. The evidence seems to say otherwise on this matter. And just because the end of racial segregation did not cause society to degraded. Doesn’t mean that the new methods of parenting is a success.
And noone is saying that spanking is the only form of punishment.
 
while What you say is true in some cases. The evidence seems to say otherwise on this matter. And just because the end of racial segregation did not cause society to degraded. Doesn’t mean that the new methods of parenting is a success.
And noone is saying that spanking is the only form of punishment.
Where is the evidence that lack of spanking specifically is the cause of societal degradation? I have yet to see that anywhere. The baby boomer generation started many of the movements that have altered society for the worse (radical feminism, free love, etc.) and yet they were mostly spanked as children. 🤷

I maintain that the breakdown of the traditional family is likely the main contributor to society’s current issues. When parents are unable to provide children with what they need most (a healthy, stable home), they often try to compensate by buying them things, trying to be friend more than parent, etc.
 
The baby boomer generation started many of the movements that have altered society for the worse (radical feminism, free love, etc.) and yet they were mostly spanked as children. 🤷
Dear mini_me640,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

It should be noted, dear friend, that many of the ‘baby boomer generation’ were in revolt against what they deemed to be the austere and hidebound ways of their parents era. They were a part of that “whole generation with a new explanation” nonsense of the 1960’s and so were in the vanguard of those pressing for radical social change and the abandonment of anything that had the slightest whiff of conventionality. Indeed, it would not be overstating things to say that they relished negating traditional values and absolutes.

Therefore, dear friend, that the baby boomer generation had been physically chastised by their parents was probably one of the factors that fuelled their determination to overthrow the traditional order by starting radical movements introducing revolutionary ideas. Obviously they would have had a revulsion against any strict discipline and traditional methods of child correction, including corporal punishment, as these would not have sat comfortably with their new-fangled opinions. Moreover, they would have also totally rejected the Christian teaching that children are born with wounded natures, disposed to wrongdoing, and thus must be rigorously corrected and kept under discipline, sometimes by means of physical chastisement when that is appropriate.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
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