Speaking in tongues: genuine charism or silly gibberish?

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Sometimes, some of you people really scare me. Some of the comments here seem close to blasphemy.

I would never call this “gibberish”!

I believe in it fully, although I do not speak in tongues. I have felt the power of God within the room while it is happening.

Be careful what you say and how you judge others. If it is real and they are speaking directly with God, then won’t you have to stand before him one day and beg his forgiveness?

If it isn’t real, then they are the ones who will beg before him.

Please do not judge what you haven’t experienced.
Please carefully re-read the title of this thread:
“Speaking in tongues: genuine charism or silly gibberish??”

If it is not gibberish, then it is a genuine charism. But if it is not a genuine charism then it is indeed gibberish and we should call it for what it is.

Why would you take offense at stating this self-evident dichotomy?
 
I must be sort of dumb but why in the world would anyone be prideful about speaking in tongues?

It’s the last thing I would ever want to have happen to me…if it did I would never tell a soul…and I would pray for it to go away…
So you are saying that if God gave you this gift you would be ashamed of it and basically tell Him you do not want His gifts unless you are ok with them?
 
I think that sometimes its real and sometimes its not. But I also believe like Paul says that there must be an interpreter as well. What I think is fake is when some one says “ok, now lets pray in tongues” and everyone starts doing it and its not a recognizable language. If you have seen “Jesus Camp” you know what I’m talking about.
To be honest with you this is the scary point for me. I do believe the charismatic gifts and I emphasize gifts with an “s” have returned to the church and I believe there is a reason. But I do think that there is out there either fakers or maybe even diabolical tongues that are using this for their own gains and not God’s.

In some places I have seen the Charismata make a very positive impact to a parish and to the people involved. But in others I have seen it be used to create discension and even those involved falling away from the Church.

In my opinion the root cause for the success and failure of the CCR in parishes is due to how much involvement that the Church hierarchy has in the CCR movement. If the Church allows the local Charismatics to do their own thing it usually does not end up well in my opinion unless you have the right layman running the meetings. But where you have good priests and bishops involved there is much fruit that can come from this movement. Most Charismatics are more prone to witness their faith with others and participate in church functions which does edify the local church. Also like I said in another post the CCR is a great transition medium for Charismatic evangelicals entering the Catholic Church.

I do not think that I could have effectively made the crossover from being a Pentecostal to Catholic without the CCR.🙂
 
Angels, being pure spirit, have no vocal chords, no tongue, no lips, and presumably, no need for language as we understand it. Every single case of angelic/human interaction in the Bible is marked by the angel communicating in the native speech of the human listener (even when singing and not simply speaking). As Catholics, we engage in a literal, not a literalist, reading of the Bible, and for the above mentioned reasons, I find it difficult, at best, to imagine that angels have their own language that the Holy Spirit would channel into humans.
Cari,

I have thought of this question a little more last night and probably the best way to explain this is that the reason I call it the tongue of Angels, outside the one verse in 1 Cor is that this type of prayer is a prayer straight from out of our spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit in us to God. It is basically spirit to Spirit and it becomes verbalized in the gift of tongues. The tongues are a byproduct of what is happening inside. Evidence if you will.
 
I am saying I would not brag I had it, and I would ask God to take it from me

Padre Pio asked that the stigmata be removed…It wasn’t. I went to 1 charismatic mass, and will never go to another. I was not impressed, nor am I a candidate for this type of behvior
 
Please do not judge what you haven’t experienced.
That’s silly. There’s lots of things I haven’t/won’t experience that I’m more than comfortable judging.

However, it can be done with charity.
 
Cari,

I have thought of this question a little more last night and probably the best way to explain this is that the reason I call it the tongue of Angels, outside the one verse in 1 Cor is that this type of prayer is a prayer straight from out of our spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit in us to God. It is basically spirit to Spirit and it becomes verbalized in the gift of tongues. The tongues are a byproduct of what is happening inside. Evidence if you will.
… aka Praying in the Spirit.
 
Sometimes, some of you people really scare me. Some of the comments here seem close to blasphemy.

I would never call this “gibberish”!

I believe in it fully, although I do not speak in tongues. I have felt the power of God within the room while it is happening.

Be careful what you say and how you judge others. If it is real and they are speaking directly with God, then won’t you have to stand before him one day and beg his forgiveness?

If it isn’t real, then they are the ones who will beg before him.

Please do not judge what you haven’t experienced.
In my opinion all people who speak in “gibberish” tongues are faking it.
As only the Church (and NOT the individual person) has the authority to discern if someone has a gift or not, isn’t it interesting that the so-called tongues speakers do not submit themselves to the Church for this discernment. They simply claim they do speak in tongues which frankly smacks of pride and arrogance.
 
What confuses me is in the passage below all those people were able to understand what was being said.

Acts 2.6
And when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded in mind, because that every man heard them speak in his own tongue. 7 And they were all amazed, and wondered, saying: Behold, are not all these, that speak, Galileans? 8 And how have we heard, every man our own tongue wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, Egypt, and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome,
What I understood at a prayer meeting was nothing, and again why would we need to speak in tongues if each one attending understood the language… anyone ?

Plus there doesn’t seem to be an interpreter, unless all present were filled with the Holy Spirit.

And it doesn’t bother me that much anyway, Saint Paul says charity is better than all of them.

Corinth: 13:1
Charity never falleth away: whether prophecies shall be made void, or tongues shall cease, or knowledge shall be destroyed.
 
In my opinion all people who speak in “gibberish” tongues are faking it.
As only the Church (and NOT the individual person) has the authority to discern if someone has a gift or not, isn’t it interesting that the so-called tongues speakers do not submit themselves to the Church for this discernment. They simply claim they do speak in tongues which frankly smacks of pride and arrogance.
A lot of assumptions made here. The Church is involved with this movement and there are Bishops, Priests, Monks, Nuns who are members of this movement. Both Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have praised the movement the fruits they have seen from it.
 
What confuses me is in the passage below all those people were able to understand what was being said.

Acts 2.6
This is the heart of the “tongue of men/tongue of angels” discussion. You’ll find theories on both sides. 😉
What I understood at a prayer meeting was nothing, and again why would we need to speak in tongues if each one attending understood the language… anyone ?
Plus there doesn’t seem to be an interpreter, unless all present were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Which is my biggest concern with the whole phenomena. People don’t follow the very clear guidelines set forth by St. Paul concerning the practice. In fact, some (SOME) of the instances seem to be downright disobedient, which makes one ponder the source.
And it doesn’t bother me that much anyway, Saint Paul says charity is better than all of them.

Corinth: 13:1
Excellent point. We’re all called to share our different God given gifts. It’s just that this one is more- shall I say- unusual than some of the ones listed. If there were whole groups of Catholics claiming to have the gift of healing or prophecy I would meet them with the same skepticism that I meet this.
 
There are 6,800 known languages spoken in the 200 countries of the world.
Wow ! that’s amazing. I didn’t realize it was that many different languages throughout the world.

Just visioning the Holy Spirit coming down upon us all at the same time and all 6,800 languages being able to understand each other is awesome ! wishful thinking All 200 countries would have to be on the same accord praying at the same time for this to happen though.

Isn’t God a wonderful God ! 🙂 This is God’s way of showing us that when we get to heaven we will be able to understand each other languages and speak it as well.

I always wanted to learn how to speak spanish. In the meantime, this will be one of the languages I will strive to learn while here on earth.
 
I think that you are taking a very narrow view of this gift. To be honest the there are two different types of tongues spoken of in the Scriptures. 1) Gift of “Other” Tongues and 2) Gift of Tongues or Tongues of Angels.

Gift of “Other” Tongues is the one expressed in the Book of Acts. It is primarily a missionary gift and from what I have heard it can at times be seen in action on the missionary fronts.

The Gift of Tongues or Tongues of Angels, which is the one that you are questioning, is discussed primarily in 1Cor Ch 12-14. This gift can be broken down into two subcategories: One is Prophetic Tongues which requires interpretation which for the edification of the Church as is the gift of prophecy. This one is not very prevalent today (I have only heard it once and it lead to my conversion to Catholocism) and the other is Praying in the Spirit which is for the edification of the individual. This is the most common type. This is where the Holy Spirit prays for you in groanings that you cannot understand. In other words, He prays for what you do not know what to pray for.

I myself do have the ability to Pray in the Spirit and it has edified my spiritual life over the years as it has with others. I can tell you that it is not gibberish as you call it. I can speak in gibberish and in the Gift of Tongues and the experiences are completely different. There are times when at mass that I will be praying to Christ within me after receiving the Blessed Sacrament and I realize that I have been praying in tongues.

Are there people out there that pretend? Probably. Are there people out there that Speak in the tongue of Devils. Most definitely. The best way in my opinion to determine if something is of God versus the Devil is the fruit that it bears.

God’s Peace.
 
A lot of assumptions made here. The Church is involved with this movement and there are Bishops, Priests, Monks, Nuns who are members of this movement. Both Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have praised the movement the fruits they have seen from it.
Yes, but there are also and have been bishops, priests, monks, and nuns who have engaged in un-Christian activities. Simply being a religious doesn’t grant one the power to never choose poorly. Heck, one simply has to look (and not very hard) to see many religious involved in and promoting New Agey practices to see that there’s something fishy in the diocese of Denmark (so to speak).

And as any apologetic with half an hour of practice can tell you, being Pope doesn’t make you impeccable. You are protected from proclaiming error infailably only under very specific circumstances.

I personally find it interesting that the Charismatic movement didn’t pop up until so many abuses that saw their genesis in the '60s and '70s were firmly entrenched.
 
From the Catholic Catechism Paragraph 2003:

“Grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us. But grace also includes the gifts that the Spirit grants us to associate us with his work, to enable us to collaborate in the salvation of others and in the growth of the Body of Christ, the Church. There are sacramental graces, gifts proper to the different sacraments. There are furthermore special graces, also called charisms after the Greek term used by St. Paul and meaning “favor,” “gratuitous gift,” “benefit.” Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church. They are at the service of charity which builds up the Church.”

I have prayed in tongues many times. I have heard languages that sound Hebrew, Spanish, etc. I have heard of people telling people that they were saying something in a particular language. But where does it say that all languages are to be defined by mankind? Even though the the original Penetcost involved many languages, there are many times(most for me actually) where I am interceding directly to the Father, to Jesus. If something is very urgent, prayer pours forth for quite sometime. This does not mean that I don’t speak to the Lord conversationally or pleadingly, or that I don’t implore Our Lady and the Saints, for I do.

In this individual prayer in the Spirit, I feel as if angels are hearing and carrying these words, and that the angels understand what is being said (as may the evil one or demons, making them flee). And I have reflected that some of these prayers, attended to by angels, are shielded from the evil one so that he cannot interfere, and what is being said may send him off in terror. If demons hear of our plans and prayers, they may try to mess with them depending upon the issue. However if they are shieIded from hearing them by the Almighty Power and Light of God, they can do less perhaps. In other words, it says, in the Light of Christ, get away all evil, and may that which I speak be to God and God alone. May my voice rise to Him in the light of the Holy Angels.

I can imagine what it might be like, to have an Angel of God, perhaps our own Guardian Angels, or Warring Angels, hearing the prayers, eying the devil, and looking at him, taking the prayers to God for action but the devil or demon being shielded from what is being said. Or the Angel could be looking at him, saying, “do you want to stick around here, buddy, because some more of my friends are coming?” (but in more beautiful angelic language of course). They certainly flee from Christ and his Holy Angels.

They certainly flee and fear the one who crushes their head, the Blessed Virgin Mary, as so many saints have told us, for example St. Louis de Montfort,St. Dominic, St. Anthony, St Francis and such. I would suggest that before anyone tries to judge the authenticty of the “jibberish” they hear, they be in pretty deep prayer and communion with the Holy Spirit, with God, with Jesus and all of the saints, and in communion with the Church’s teaching. John Paul II supported the Charsimatic ministry, and we see Pope Benedict basically citing what the Catechism lays forth on the issue. If these are gifts to build up the Church, how can we as mere laypersons try to tear it down?

It appears to me from what I’ve read many times there are a lot of intellectual interpretations on this issue, whereas those who speak experientially (I feel the Holy Spirit, burning as a fire, coming upon me as I write this) are not analyzing it but praying. May Jesus Christ be praised, now and forever!! And may we pray for one another, for we truly are brothers and sisters in Christ,we are One Body, there is One Vine, One Master. As Paul indicates, do we smash our foot because we don’t like that member of the body? God made us all and we all have gifts, given by God for the edification of th Church and for our salvation, for our families, for our friends. May we only pray to do His will,and to submit to the Holy Spirit, to Our Lord Jesus Christ and Our Father who are One. In Jesus Christ’s blessed Holy name we pray-Amen!
I think that you are taking a very narrow view of this gift. To be honest the there are two different types of tongues spoken of in the Scriptures. 1) Gift of “Other” Tongues and 2) Gift of Tongues or Tongues of Angels.

Gift of “Other” Tongues is the one expressed in the Book of Acts. It is primarily a missionary gift and from what I have heard it can at times be seen in action on the missionary fronts.

The Gift of Tongues or Tongues of Angels, which is the one that you are questioning, is discussed primarily in 1Cor Ch 12-14. This gift can be broken down into two subcategories: One is Prophetic Tongues which requires interpretation which for the edification of the Church as is the gift of prophecy. This one is not very prevalent today (I have only heard it once and it lead to my conversion to Catholocism) and the other is Praying in the Spirit which is for the edification of the individual. This is the most common type. This is where the Holy Spirit prays for you in groanings that you cannot understand. In other words, He prays for what you do not know what to pray for.

I myself do have the ability to Pray in the Spirit and it has edified my spiritual life over the years as it has with others. I can tell you that it is not gibberish as you call it. I can speak in gibberish and in the Gift of Tongues and the experiences are completely different. There are times when at mass that I will be praying to Christ within me after receiving the Blessed Sacrament and I realize that I have been praying in tongues.

Are there people out there that pretend? Probably. Are there people out there that Speak in the tongue of Devils. Most definitely. The best way in my opinion to determine if something is of God versus the Devil is the fruit that it bears.

God’s Peace.
 
I can tell you, from experience, this gift from the Holy Spirit exists and happens and when you receive the gift, it changes you.

I invite anyone to read my experience on my blog. I will talk to you privately if you wish.

It’s definitely a gift…a gift that I would gladly receive again.

God bless.
 
Why didn’t the Holy Spirit deign to give the gift of tongues to anybody in the Church after apostolic times? :confused:

I mean, isn’t it odd that the Holy Spirit only resumed giving some Catholics the gift of tongues in the 1960s? (And only after Pentecostalism became widespread?) :confused:
 
Well if it was important God would have seen that we all could do this

It’s not necessary for salvation, so it’s no big deal to me…I am content to let those that want to do it, have their way

It’s something I wouldn’t want…it is too far out for me, and I don’t chose to watch other people making a scene by doing it either
 
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