Special request from US Bishops!

[iloveangels]

We need the parishes open for business on weekdays!

 

[wynnejj]

Nope, all over these boards I’ve been talking about the necessity to start programs at local parishes. There are several of these available:

Discovering Christ - Christlife christlife.org/resources/programs

The Great Adventure - Jeff Cavins biblestudyforcatholics.com/

Catholicism - Robert Barron - wordonfire.org/

What exciting programs! I’m going to tell all my brothers & sisters to drop their kids out of the overly expensive Catholic grade school & high school systems so that they can get a real Catholic education. Wow!

 

[iloveangels]

What exciting programs! I’m going to tell all my brothers & sisters to drop their kids out of the overly expensive Catholic grade school & high school systems so that they can get a real Catholic education. Wow!

THOSE are for ADULTS.

PSST. Don’t look now, but your belief that Catholic education is only for children is showing.

 

[wynnejj]

Remedial ADULT education for products of the Catholic school system!

 

[iloveangels]

Remedial ADULT education for products of the Catholic school system!

CONTINUING adult education, because you can’t get through life on an 8th grade religious education plus 15 minutes of homily once a week (for the approximately 20% who even bother with getting to mass on a weekly basis).

Is it ever remedial? YES. Most of the time. A great many Catholics don’t know much about their own religion. It’s amazing, and not in a good way.

PS. Your belief that only children need religious education is still showing.

 

[wynnejj]

Is it ever remedial? YES. Most of the time. A great many Catholics don’t know much about their own religion. It’s amazing, and not in a good way.

Remedial detoxification mostly if one continues on to a post-modernist “Catholic” college!

 

[iloveangels]

Remedial detoxification mostly if one continues on to a post-modernist “Catholic” college!

No. Just plain old parish education for adults, which should be normal and which needs to occur throughout a person’s life.

The Christian faith is not some postage stamp that you can paste on your soul when you’re a kid and be done with it. It doesn’t work that way.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"2581 For the People of God, the Temple was to be the place of their education in prayer: pilgrimages, feasts and sacrifices, the evening offering, the incense, and the bread of the Presence (“shewbread”) - all these signs of the holiness and glory of God Most High and Most Near were appeals to and ways of prayer. But ritualism often encouraged an excessively external worship. The people needed education in faith and conversion of heart; this was the mission of the prophets, both before and after the Exile. "

This is still the mission of the Church: To educate and to convert.

Continuing formation as a Christian doesn’t just happen. It requires some work to be a Christian.

PS. Your belief that Christian education is ONLY for children is STILL showing.

 

[wynnejj]

PS. Your belief that Christian education is ONLY for children is STILL showing.

PS. Your comic relief about my belief about Christian education is ONLY for children and is STILL childish! (And this may shock you, Iloveangels. )

 

[wynnejj]

CONTINUING adult education, because you can’t get through life on an 8th grade religious education plus 15 minutes of homily once a week (for the approximately 20% who even bother with getting to mass on a weekly basis).

Yes, morality is so highly technical, multicultural & post-modernist these days that Catholics need to become religious canon lawyers in order to sort out morality today. No way a kid today can get away with an eighth grade Catholic education like they did in years past. We’re so progressive today, you know. (Hermeneutics of Rupture, much?). Just how did those eighth grade ignoramuses of bygone years get by? There’s such new moral information to discover. Is he a man or is he a woman? It depends on what your definition of “is” is? Is hell contributing to global warming or is the the carbon footprint so infinitely small as a demon gets burned to an atomic cinder? Stay tuned for your 30th year of continuing religious education!

 

[iloveangels]

Yes, morality is so highly technical, multicultural & post-modernist these days that Catholics need to become religious canon lawyers in order to sort out morality today. No way a kid today can get away with an eighth grade Catholic education like they did in years past. We’re so progressive today, you know. (Hermeneutics of Rupture, much?). Just how did those eighth grade ignoramuses of bygone years get by? There’s such new moral information to discover. Is he a man or is he a woman? It depends on what your definition of “is” is? Is hell contributing to global warming or is the the carbon footprint so infinitely small as a demon gets burned to an atomic cinder? Stay tuned for your 30th year of continuing religious education!

Morality is a consequence of religion, wynnejj. The Catholic religion is not mere morality, nor is it mere politics. You don’t seem to realize this.

If you want to be genuinely Catholic, morality is necessary but not sufficient.

Politics is just something you get whenever you have more than 2 people. American politics is a particularly perverted version of that phenomenon–more expensive than the ancient Roman version but twice as stupid.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Yes, morality is so highly technical, multicultural & post-modernist these days that Catholics need to become religious canon lawyers in order to sort out morality today. No way a kid today can get away with an eighth grade Catholic education like they did in years past. We’re so progressive today, you know. (Hermeneutics of Rupture, much?). Just how did those eighth grade ignoramuses of bygone years get by? There’s such new moral information to discover. Is he a man or is he a woman? It depends on what your definition of “is” is? Is hell contributing to global warming or is the the carbon footprint so infinitely small as a demon gets burned to an atomic cinder? Stay tuned for your 30th year of continuing religious education!

Are you for real?

 

[Seeker1961]

My brothers & sisters (large family) are all regular Sunday Mass attendees who raised their kids in the Catholic school system whose whole purpose is to connect kids with Jesus. So why after attending Catholic grade school & high school and attending Sunday Mass and receiving the Holy Eucharist during their formative years, is it that the first time that they are on their own and find someone they love, they contracept & cohabit and stop going to church? Apparently, the Catholic school system which has been teaching love without boundaries has failed in addressing “bedroom-work”?

Perhaps because what they were shown in their school was the “warm, fuzzy Jesus” without any substance or any conception of the real joy of knowing and serving Him. I’ll admit that I was lucky, the Sisters that taught me in grade school and the Priests and Brothers who taught me in HS and college were wonderful examples. Their love of Christ was obvious, as was the joy they found in their lives. I had family that shared their faith with me through the way they lived their lives. Even when I wasn’t living the way they would have had me live, they still showed me love instead of condemnation. When I was ready to meet the Jesus they knew, they were there-happy that their prayers for me were answered.

I’m grateful beyond belief for those people and the others I’ve met along the way and all I can hope is that I do the same for even one other person. If each of us could be that for even one person, think of the change!

 

[wynnejj]

Are you for real?

Did I forget the sarcasm emoticon again? I was offering an absurd response to an absurd proposition. The implied proposition is that the “elephant in the room” which one can’t ignore, is the fact that Catholics kids with a basic religious education - whether eighth grade or high school - will contracept & cohabit readily when they meet their first serious love and stop attending church. The proposition is that this phenomenon requires continuing education. The other implied proposition is that their parents need continuing education to know that they can’t receive the Holy Eucharist if they contracept which undermines the sexual mores of their children turned young adults. While I agree that a deeper understanding of Jesus would motivate one to want to correct these ways, it does not take continuing education to get across the idea that reception of the Holy Eucharist unworthily is a sacrilege.

 

[livingwordunity]

Catholics had a chance to vote for religious liberty in November, but most apparently voted against it. Obama told everyone, “I will not yield, and Planned Parenthood will not yield”. Now the only thing that can stop Obama’s abortion crusade against Christians with traditional family values is if God directly intervenes to stop him.

 

[iloveangels]

Did I forget the sarcasm emoticon again? I was offering an absurd response to an absurd proposition. The implied proposition is that the “elephant in the room” which one can’t ignore, is the fact that Catholics kids with a basic religious education - whether eighth grade or high school - will contracept & cohabit readily when they meet their first serious love and stop attending church. The proposition is that this phenomenon requires continuing education. The other implied proposition is that their parents need continuing education to know that they can’t receive the Holy Eucharist if they contracept which undermines the sexual mores of their children turned young adults. While I agree that a deeper understanding of Jesus would motivate one to want to correct these ways, it does not take continuing education to get across the idea that reception of the Holy Eucharist unworthily is a sacrilege.

So let me get this right. You want to make them understand that “reception of Holy Communion unworthily is a sacrilege,” without teaching them to have “a deeper understanding of Jesus” and without using education to do it.

Good luck with that. How do you plan to manage it?

And when you finish that, why don’t you get them all to come to Church once in a while, for starters. 80% of Catholics don’t show up at mass weekly.

I’m with Jeanne S. Are you for real?

 

[wynnejj]

Perhaps because what they were shown in their school was the “warm, fuzzy Jesus” without any substance or any conception of the real joy of knowing and serving Him. I’ll admit that I was lucky, the Sisters that taught me in grade school and the Priests and Brothers who taught me in HS and college were wonderful examples. Their love of Christ was obvious, as was the joy they found in their lives. I had family that shared their faith with me through the way they lived their lives. Even when I wasn’t living the way they would have had me live, they still showed me love instead of condemnation. When I was ready to meet the Jesus they knew, they were there-happy that their prayers for me were answered.

I’m grateful beyond belief for those people and the others I’ve met along the way and all I can hope is that I do the same for even one other person. If each of us could be that for even one person, think of the change!

Prayers and love without condemnation is truly the way it should be. That does not preclude confronting and challenging sinners in their sin, which is a duty. Not public humiliation, not continual harassment - just imparting the understanding of facts. Yes, one must accentuate the positive especially by example, but it is a moral duty of those entrusted with teaching authority such as religious leaders and parents to not neglect a subject because it may confront or challenge. To the contrary, it is a duty.

 

[iloveangels]

Prayers and love without condemnation is truly the way it should be. That does not preclude confronting and challenging sinners in their sin, which is a duty. Not public humiliation, not continual harassment - just imparting the understanding of facts. Yes, one must accentuate the positive especially by example, but it is a moral duty of those entrusted with teaching authority such as religious leaders and parents to not neglect a subject because it may confront or challenge. To the contrary, it is a duty.

Well 80% of Catholics don’t show up for mass weekly, and no one else has been able to do anything about it, including the pope. But hey, if you are the magic guy who can make it all happen, then you’d better get busy.

Waiting for results…

 

[wynnejj]

So let me get this right. You want to make them understand that “reception of Holy Communion unworthily is a sacrilege,” without teaching them to have “a deeper understanding of Jesus” and without using education to do it.

So let me get this right. Your deep understanding of Jesus from all your continuing education leads you to believe that you should intentionally neglect to tell them that reception of Holy Communion unworthily is a sacrilege when one confronts you with the knowledge that they believe that it is a personal conscience decision to contracept. Please do continue your education! Maybe you will hit the section where it tells you that you have a moral duty to correct sinners who do not know, else the sin reverts to you.

 

[wynnejj]

Well 80% of Catholics don’t show up for mass weekly, and no one else has been able to do anything about it, including the pope. But hey, if you are the magic guy who can make it all happen, then you’d better get busy.

Waiting for results…

We are not required to be successful, just faithful. And, who says that I may not be that magic guy … the Lord is known to use weak instruments to implement His Will.

 

[iloveangels]

We are not required to be successful, just faithful. And, who says that I may not be that magic guy … the Lord is known to use weak instruments to implement His Will.

Ah there’s that “it’s okay if we stink” stuff again. You are required to at least try. Being mediocre on purpose is a cop-out.