Spiritual warfare advice

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I’m not challenging the existence of the entire forum. There are many appropriate topics to discuss on a public forum such as this. However, I very strongly believe that this particular topic is not one of them. Exorcism and deliverance ministry is a very particular ministry in the Church, requiring very specific, very detailed, training. Giving advice in this area, though well-meaning, can lead to a great deal of confusion if the advice-giver is not schooled in the discipline. To be perfectly blunt, this is not a game. Now, this is not to say that we treat this ministry like Gnosticism. We don’t keep secrets in the Church. But, there are certain areas where someone trained in the field ought to be the guide. This is most certainly one of those areas.

A few posts up, I wrote an analogy of medicine. It’s the same principle. Let’s say I’m feeling sick, and a friend gives me some pills that her physician gave to her, and says, “Hey, these worked for me. Why don’t you try them?” Unbeknownst to her, I have an allergy to the pills she gave me, they are for a different condition than what I have, and they counteract a prescription that I’m already on (which my doctor prescribed). In short, my friend isn’t a doctor, and has no background in medicine. Her advice, far from being helpful, is actually detrimental.

I’ll say what I said above…Eucharist, Confession, use of sacramentals, and prayer. These are the normal remedies for spiritual ills. But, as I’m not the OP’s pastor, and thus not his or her primary care physician in the spiritual life, I am not qualified to give advice as to how he or she should treat this situation. And neither is anyone else, short of his or her pastor. Hence my advice above…speak with your pastor.

I cannot overstate how serious this is…DO NOT MESS AROUND IN THIS AREA WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.

Fr. David or Don Ruggero…am I off base here? As always, I’m open to correction.
 
Me? My experience is getting a brief glimpse of two individuals conflicting in their respective claims over my soul. And it really gave me a sobering hint of what judgment was like-- a moment where there’s no self delusions, or excuses, or arguments, or anything. Just reality.

And that’s what the devil is-- he’s an accuser. He uses your weakness and your shortcomings to lay claim to your soul, to say, “This person has voluntarily separated himself from God countless times; ergo, he should be mine.”

But-- if there’s a counter-claimant on the other side of the argument, who says, “He’s mine,” there’s absolutely nothing the devil can do in the face of that. Because again, it’s not a time of excuses, or arguments, or delusions. It’s just reality.

We are very weak. We fail. I fail every day. But I still try to put things right and re-set my course.

So that was the point of my first post. Whatever annoyances and frightening things happen in life, it’s ultimately just like “a bad night in a third-rate hotel” in the face of eternity. And you want to develop those relationships with advocates who will be able to say, “So-and-so is under my protection”-- whether it’s Mary or St Michael, or whether it’s Christ, or whether it’s someone else that the individual has an affinity for.

And that was the point of my second post. We can do everything in the book to try and do something, but run into situations where we feel powerless. Or we have two different obligations in conflict with each other, and you don’t know which one to give priority to. God gives his friends obstacles, so that they can grow. Or that they can realize how small they are, and how dependent they are on him. Or some other reason that benefits their soul and their eternity.

I totally agree that exorcism and deliverance ministry are definitely specialist subjects, and shouldn’t be meddled with casually. I still have no clue what the OP means by his exorcist being “a bad guy”. The OP is doing a lot of the usual things that you’d usually recommend— so the best we can do is suggest nuanced things (develop a relationship with strong friends in Heaven!) or pragmatic things (don’t give up, but put your trust and faith in God that he won’t allow anything to happen that you can’t handle).
 
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I agree. Along with what I said I also prayed for the OP. I really still feel he or she needs encouragement to treat this mattee seriously. From the OP’s posts I think a remedy has been presented through that prayer group that he/she does not want.
Self pitty is a common thing when bad things happen to someone even if they are spiritual. I am seeking for a counter argument as to what I posted here if I ever advised the OP not to overcome self pity and desperation.
IMHO due to the amount of posts regarding posessions and such the forum administrators should actually bring on a trained priest to either answer or shut us all up here. Because this is not the first one.
 
I did deliverance prayers and complied with my prayer group for the last year (I did everything they told me to do). The issue is I still have psychic attacks, voices responding to prayers and spirits that harass me. My primary priest said stuff about this exorcist that wasn’t good as did others in the parish. I’m not going to judge the guy because most people in the church are freaked out by how bad the situation is with the satanists and are in denial while this guy is dealing with it… I got linked up with a new exorcist and I’m just going to take the eucharist and move forward if he isn’t going to help. This sucks and it’s probably just a result of pissing of satanists/ purification and humility training from god. I probably shouldent have asked on this page but nobody else is helping much
 
Do not lose hope. St. Padre Pio, St. Gemma Galgani and many other saints had to also deal with demonic attacks. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be, but know that God only allows it for you to grow through the suffering. Perhaps you should read about how the saints handled it, get a holy spiritual director who you discern to be in alignment with the Church’s teachings, pray not just formal prayer but mental prayer as it has been said that without mental prayer we cannot be saved, and try to work on your speech…yes even swear words are tied to the devil.
https://www.padrepio.catholicwebservices.com/ENGLISH/Confess.htm
https://www.padrepio.catholicwebservices.com/ENGLISH/The_Devil.htm
 
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You need to follow your primary priest. Also, has confession happened recently?
 
If this is the exorcist priest you are talking about, I understand the Bishop has supressed the priest as he holds grave concerns about for the safety of the parishers. I will not put any links up, but you can find this info via google.
Durden5280 said:
The issue is I still have psychic attacks, voices responding to prayers and spirits that harass me. .
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When you state that you are being spiritually attacked: during pray, what do you mean by this. What do you hear? When spirits harass you what do you experience, is it visual? auditory? sensation?

How good is your home security, re-evaluate if you wake up groggy, frequently feeling off-colour and are well outside of the home but come home, eat and stuff happens in a spiritual sense.
 
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Wow what a story about that guy the exorcist. I mean especially in this post here. No wonder the Bishop sent him away.
From what the OP said it’s actually this guy and his group’s practices that aggravated the situations.
I am wary of giving any more advice now because I never saw that much evil stuff and never on an icon. They always looked holy to me even in temptation, even if in some I did feel scowled upon (and still do, and that is fair).
I think my problems began because I started listening to this cool Pagan music and bands, some definitely criticizing the Church and calling the promises of Christ fake. I didn’t agree with the words and some of the songs made me feel guilty for it, as in the songs that criticized the Inquisition made me feel so guilty as if I had commanded the Inquisition myself. Weird stuff or not really, psychologically this makes sense - they wanted to make Christians feel guilty and belittled and were successful with me. I really only liked the music of it all and the vague Pagan songs about fairies and nature and the miracle of Earth just being. For a while I enjoyed the painful sad feeling this music gave me but then I also wanted to share with Jesus all of that great art that I was enjoying even if it gave me nightmares and sometimes dizziness in waking state and visions in my head of fairies and all that. And then I started having thoughts, not hearing voices, just thoughts that would rationalize the entire music until I could no longer be moved by it and the great feeling it brought me just died. Then all my mystic mood started to take me towards researching my own religion, read the Bible, go to Church, read prayers, learn some of them by heart.
From time to time I still do listen to a bit of Within Temptation, Nightwish and the like, but it sounds too silly and I am no longer addicted to them.
I pray Archangel Raphael comes into your life and heals you and helps you find a real soul healer, a priest who can guide you out of this all.
May the Lord and the most Holy Theotokos protect you and show the way back to the truth, fix all spiritual infirmities and alienate malign forces that pull you in with curiosity of their unholy nature, fill your heart with serenity and may Christ be reborn within your soul this Christmass
Amen
 
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I’ll say what I said above…Eucharist, Confession, use of sacramentals, and prayer. These are the normal remedies for spiritual ills. But, as I’m not the OP’s pastor, and thus not his or her primary care physician in the spiritual life, I am not qualified to give advice as to how he or she should treat this situation. And neither is anyone else, short of his or her pastor. Hence my advice above…speak with your pastor.

I cannot overstate how serious this is…DO NOT MESS AROUND IN THIS AREA WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING.

Fr. David or Don Ruggero…am I off base here?
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You are quite correct, Father. And even if this is not an area in which you did additional studies after ordination, you are much more qualified than anyone else I am reading in this thread.

You are correct that the pastor, who has the cura animarum for the person, precisely as you said, is the one to go to. In the dioceses of Europe, our curias typically have a priest or priests designated by the diocesan bishop for parish priests to consult, if they find themselves outside their comfort level for more complex cases – and it is the pastor who would be aware of such arrangements/provisions.

The situation of the priest mentioned in this thread is a very troubled and troubling one, going back many years. One hopes the archbishop can succeed in finally helping this priest…where others have not succeeded.
 
Mary888 said:
IMHO due to the amount of posts regarding posessions and such the forum administrators should actually bring on a trained priest to either answer or shut us all up here.
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From many years in the priesthood, I continue to find that the old maxim is very true: “fools rush in where angels fear to tread.” This is above all true in this topic in which so many fields are intersected and implicated – not least, mystical theology and clinical psychology. Serious issues in these matters is not only no place for amateurs, they are likely to do far more harm than any minimum of good.
 
It’s not just a specific icon. I meant to say that even when I was under temptations all icons still looked holy, I never had visions such as the OP presents - head of baphomet over an icon for example. All Orthodox icons and Catholic icons. Other general representations of Jesus Christ and saints such as Christian paintings do not say much to me, some of them always look a bit out of the completeness of the icons (like the halo of the saints is missing, you have to guess who is, they are more like representations of biblical themes do not encompass the image of the saint in an eternal state in Heaven).
 
Father but if I only pray for the people who post this sort of problems can I harm them?
 
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Father but if I only pray for the people who post this sort of problems can I harm them?
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No. Of course not. To pray for such people is not to cause harm…but where the need need is real, the need for qualified care is as real as those who need a cardiologist or a psychiatrist…not a lay person who does not know what they are talking about. Which was Father’s point in his posts above.
 
If you and @buc_fan33 think I should erase my posts here then I will. I don’t want to aggravate anyone’s torment just to post something on the internet. It just moved me a lot what I read here and I read about these situations in the East also and I don’t want people who experience this to feel like the lepers used to feel when the disease was ravaging the world. But if you think it really is better to just ignore and pray for them then this is all I will do.
 
If you are insane I guess I am too. I have very similar experiences of sleep paralysis.
 
I didn’t work with Ripperger directly and I’m not going to give the guys name or any more information on the network. The main exorcist that everyone likes who I switched over to said Ripperger is a good priest and pretty much confirmed his claims along with Father Thomas’s claims. I was pretty deep into research on political satanism in relation to sex trafficking and the psychology of recovery for victims of intense conditioning prior to this process and had clashed with some satanists while serving in DC prior. Some satanists in the Army had allegedly put a curse on me like 6 years ago (when I was doing all kinds of bad sins and not a well formed catholic) and some really bad stuff started like 3 years ago… The attacks aren’t nearly as bad now as they were but I still see a satanic face over the Icon I go to adoration with, get psychic attacks and have spirits harass me when I wake up or at night. I was working on some stuff where some of the enemy in the flesh probably thought I was a threat for a while. It gets much more complicated than this and into a world that is extremely confusing and scary. I just haven’t really felt the peace of the holy spirit in much of this process and it hasn’t been suffering you can offer up…more like chaos, fear and confusion with many unanswered questions.
 
Durden, I have also read certain bligs aboute theories of conspirantion and such. Just reading. One of them even stated that the Freemasons now are so low that even S. has spewed them out. Very disturbing story that is. Within our Christian paradigm.
What these bligs even if true lack is this - what to do. It all adds up to the Antichrist being installed one day or the other, having defeated God through his atheism and having defeated S. through extreme perversion and magical tricks. And because of our societal sins God will not stop him. Ok, so what can anyone do? Against a man who defeated Heaven and Hell?
I prayed looking for an answer and this the one question I got … from both sides “who does this guy think he is?” Because it comes from dark corners I feel like battling this - if the devil says one thibg then I go do the other opposing this. Then I prayed and I keep on thinking… what do I know? Barely nothing.
How can I fight a devil when I am not sure what he says because of all this… spiritual talk or whatever…?
So I took it one step at the time - if this are the last years of earth then what am I losing if my life is not yet fully fulfilled? If these are not the last days of earyth then why do I trouble?
Forbid the Fathers here admonish me I still think the only way is to get closer to your faith expect nothing, and don’t let yourself be stormed into deception or regret. Maybe these are the last times and it"s hard to be fully fulfilled with a family for anyone. Or there ia still time left and this too… shall pass.
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If any of this contradicts what your Pastor said then count me in as your fellow institutionlized lunatic just saying from within my walls. There is no model human life. We all try.
 
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I don’t know what you mean by S… do you mean Satan spit them out? I also don’t know what you mean by conquering heaven and hell?

You can’t defeat God or Satan. Occultists have big egos and angels are like 1000 times smarter than us with billions of years of wisdom. I also don’t think you can “install an antichrist”… they prep for him but god calls the shots for when the big guy is allowed to come. Are you even catholic?
 
The situation did not start suddenly and it won’t end suddenly. Things are getting better. Keep up the fight.

Realize that you have an opportunity. You have a chance to engage in the battle in ways that most people cannot. You now know things that others are unsure of.
 
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