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Mannyfit75
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newbie, John died in 101 A.D.
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newbie1234
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mea culpa.
BTW this is the only latin I know and I not even sure if I am using it correctly. So if you want to add latin in your posts you might as well write it in chinese.
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Mannyfit75
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There is no new revelation. I said the accounts of the saint is a private revelation, which is not new revelation.
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newbie1234
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I’ll just stick to my bible and let the Holy Spirit fill in the blanks. thanks though
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LilyM
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Not so fast there grasshopper :ehh:
What makes you think you don’t have to go to a confessional?
When you want to be baptised do you go by yourself and jump into the nearest river or pool? Or do you make sure a minister of the Lord is present to confer the sacrament upon you?
When you want communion do you simply grab the Wonderloaf out of your fridge and the wine out of your bar and get stuck into them? Or do you again receive this sacrament in the presence and through the intermediary actions of the minister, who usually (in my experience anyway) is the one to recite the Lord’s words over the bread and wine?
When you want to marry do you just take your intended by the hand and carry her over the threshold with no further ceremony, or do you again go into the presence of a minister of the Lord who as his agent pronounces the words of blessing upon your marriage?
Why then do you think God’s forgiveness is a solo act between you and God alone? What makes you think that, in the same way, it ALSO is not conferred through the words and agency of a minister of the Lord?
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newbie1234
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So if there is no new revelation since John, does that include what the popes have to say also?
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Tantum_ergo
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Let’s not be mixing, and adding, and attempting to put words into my mouth, newbie.
You don’t need statues, nor do I. We have already established that Catholics don’t pray to statues. But you can, of course, have them–unless you’re an iconoclast who cannot tell the difference between a work of art (a ‘representation’ or image, not a 'real thing) and an idol.
Catholics do not pray to, or kneel to, statues. If we did, why wouldn’t we say so, and be proud of it, and give reasons to justify it? Are there any other religions around who practice something and aren’t both secure in their practice and perfectly willing to explain why they do it? Why do you think Catholics would be any different, especially when it comes to things we really DO PRACTICE–like saying a rosary–we come out PROUDLY and give reasons for saying it.
You don’t have to pray to Mary but why you would neglect talking to the Mother of God is beyond me, when you certainly have respect for His Father. . .
And you don’t have to ask anybody for intercession. It’s your choice–your loss, though. 
Ditto for the saints. Here are people like Peter, Paul, etc. whose words we listen to in Scripture, yet you don’t apparently want to make any further acquaintance of them–it’s a puzzle but hey, if you want to go it alone. . .
Sorry, but unless your church has priests who have valid orders and apostolic succession, you don’t have “body and blood” but only crackers and grape juice. You have a ‘memorial’ but not the True Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity. 2000 years of Catholics and Orthodox are united in this teaching from the apostles.
You can repent of your sins (I hope we all do) but you can only hope that your repentence “to God” instead of “to God through a priest who acts for God in accordance with SCRIPTURAL MANDATE” is a perfect contrition. Especially since you are, still, a Catholic, and claim that you were thoroughly and properly taught. Ignorance does not appear to be a valid excuse in your case although only God can say for certain.
Problem solved? No indeed, my friend. Your problems are very dire indeed and you have my fervent prayers for a renewal of the True Faith and your return to it. May God be with you.
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newbie1234
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So can I or can’t I confess my sins to God and ask for forgiveness alone in my room?
Do I need a catholic priest to hear my sins before I’m forgiven?
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newbie1234
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So when I celebrate communion and remember Jesus death and resurrection it is somehow false.And I am somehow LESS blessed than you because I pray directly to God The Father and I don’t have Mary or a saint speaking for me.And God will not forgive my sins if I pray directly to Him and ask forgiveness. Is this what you believe?Let’s not be mixing, and adding, and attempting to put words into my mouth, newbie.
You don’t need statues, nor do I. We have already established that Catholics don’t pray to statues. But you can, of course, have them–unless you’re an iconoclast who cannot tell the difference between a work of art (a ‘representation’ or image, not a 'real thing) and an idol.
Catholics do not pray to, or kneel to, statues. If we did, why wouldn’t we say so, and be proud of it, and give reasons to justify it? Are there any other religions around who practice something and aren’t both secure in their practice and perfectly willing to explain why they do it? Why do you think Catholics would be any different, especially when it comes to things we really DO PRACTICE–like saying a rosary–we come out PROUDLY and give reasons for saying it.
You don’t have to pray to Mary but why you would neglect talking to the Mother of God is beyond me, when you certainly have respect for His Father. . .
Sorry, but unless your church has priests who have valid orders and apostolic succession, you don’t have “body and blood” but only crackers and grape juice. You have a ‘memorial’ but not the True Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity. 2000 years of Catholics and Orthodox are united in this teaching from the apostles.
You can repent of your sins (I hope we all do) but you can only hope that your repentence “to God” instead of “to God through a priest who acts for God in accordance with SCRIPTURAL MANDATE” is a perfect contrition. Especially since you are, still, a Catholic, and claim that you were thoroughly and properly taught. Ignorance does not appear to be a valid excuse in your case although only God can say for certain.
Problem solved? No indeed, my friend. Your problems are very dire indeed and you have my fervent prayers for a renewal of the True Faith and your return to it. May God be with you.
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Mannyfit75
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What the Pope say in his Ecyclicals or when he addresses Ex-Cathedra does not contradict Scripture.
You forgot that in Catholicism, the Word of God was revealed to us in orally (word of mouth), and written (scripture). The Scripture used by the Apostles was the OT, and the NT didn’t came until 50 -125 A.D.
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newbie1234
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Jesus’ death on the cross has given me access to the Holy of Holies. I can approach God directly. I can pray to Him. I can speak to Him. I can ask Him for forgiveness. He hears me and answers me. Can I still be a good Christian in your eyes if I don’t look to Mary or the saints for an intercessor?
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newbie1234
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So do I have to follow the revelation given to men after the canon was closed or not? Can I be a good Christian by following the canon of the bible and disregard anything that came after?
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Mannyfit75
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You follow the revelation of Jesus Christ who gave Peter, the Keys to built his Church, which is the Catholic Church. The CC gave us the Bible we see today.
Timeline of the Canon of Scripture. The Church got its authority from the Apostles, and the Apostles got their authority from Jesus, and Jesus got his authority from God, the Father.
The Catholic Church is build on Apostolic foundation. The Church is the only authorized one who can interpret Scripture
scripturecatholic.com
davidmacd.com/catholic/timeline_of_how_the_bible_where.htm
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MariaG
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Yet you only rely on non-denominational sources for the interpretation of Holy Scripture?
So you are not in fact “sticking to your bible” and letting the Holy Spirit fill in the blanks. You are relying on the interpretation of someone else.
I actully don’t have a problem with you sticking with your non-denominational bible studies, but respectfully, you are not relying on your bible and the leading of the Holy spirit to fill in the blanks if you choose to only use non-denominational studies. Clearly you are relying on the interpretation espoused by “nondenominational” people if you only choose to do those studies.
Respectfully,
Maria
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LilyM
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As James says in his Epistle, ‘the prayers of a righteous man availeth much’. Mary and the saints are those of God’s followers who are already in heaven - of their surpassing righteousness we can be absolutely certain because of this. It’s madness not take advantage of their aid which is so powerful.
And confession, as you surely know as a former Catholic, is for serious (mortal) sin, ‘sin unto death’ as St John calls it in one of his Epistles. Again, God can choose to forgive your sins whenever you sincerely repent of them.
But he HAS given the Sacrament of Confession and conferred the power of forgiveness upon his Apostles and their successors, our bishops and priests. ‘Whose sins you forgive they are forgiven’.
He said these words because he intended confession to a priest to be the ordinary means by which we obtain forgiveness. No point mentioning it at all if it was only intended as something completely extraordinary or as a mere afterthought in terms of our salvation.
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MariaG
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In the case of believing in the Trinity, you would in fact be required to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian at all.
The Trinity was not explicitly defined by Christ and His apostles.
God Bless,
Maria
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Mannyfit75
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Let me quote Peter himself in 2 Peter Chapter 3 verse 15-18.
And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
I cannot intepret the Bible myself. I have to intepret it in the light of the teachings of Jesus Christ and his One Church, the Catholic Church. The Church was before the Bible and they canonized the Scripture we see today.
So who do I go with the Church because in 1 Tim 3:15, “if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the** church of the living God**, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”
If I don’t, I will bring about my own destruction.
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newbie1234
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Most of What I read can be interpreted easily. I take it all literally.Prophecy and the parables are very figurative and I need help there. But the Gospels, epistles, and OT historical accounts can be taken literally for the most part. No need for much interpretation.
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