SPLIT: Here is what we Christians have a problem with, concerning Catholic doctrines:

[Curious]

Good Morning, my name is Selma Kelly, a Christian from OC, Cal, also baptized in the Holy Spirit according to Acts Chapter 2 and Chapter 19. Here is what we Christians have a problem with, concerning Catholic doctrines:

1. Praying to Miriam and statues of dead people:

(Her name is Miriam, not Mary.) No mortal has the right to hear or answer prayer because they didn’t earn this right on the cross. Christ alone is our High Priest and Mediator.

1st Tim 2:5: For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus…

Christ also told us throughout John Chapters 14, 15 & 16 to ask ONLY in His name…

John 14:14: If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

1. Chanting over Rosaries:

Christ said God will NOT answer “chanting”. He was very specific when He said …

Matt 6: 7-9: And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think they will be heard for their many words. Therefore DO NOT be like them.

Please notice also that in Miriam’s prophecy … “My soul does magnify the Lord” … she calls God “My Savior”. This means, she was a normal person, like all of us, who also needed a Savior.

1. Teaching Purgatory:

There is no such thing as this place. Catholics use 1st Corinthians 3:10 as “proof” of Purgatory, which is ludicrous. If you read this passage, Paul is talking about Life In Christ and how difficult it can get sometimes. It does NOT speak of the afterlife.

Further, God said The Blood of Christ washes away ALL sins, which means under this Blood, there is no need for further punishment after death. Take a look…

John 1:29: John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sin of the world."

1. Teaching Limbus Infantium:

This is a false teaching. No mention of this anywhere in the NT and OT. Jesus used children as “the standard” of what we need to become to get into Heaven, so we already know they’re innocent. Augustine had the audacity to say unbaptized kids will “go to the place of the damned”. In having said this, he makes himself greater than Christ because Christ never said anything like this EVER !

Further, nobody has to “pay for the original sin”. The
“original sin” was not committed here on Earth by man. It was committed by Satan in Heaven and pre-dates even Adam and Eve! So, no need to go send babies to Purgatory. Christ paid it IN FULL on the Cross for all of us ! ! !

Further, Pope Benedict in his 1984 radio address stated Limbus Infantium has never been a proven doctrine and therefore does not endorse this. Last month he said it again which hit the world-wide news.

1. Confessions: The Apostle John said in 1st John 1:9 that if we confess our sins TO CHRIST, He is faithful to forgive us our sins. However, it also says in James 5:16-18 to “confess our sins with one another so that you will be healed”. No problem with that. We all know “talking things out” is a great help. But if we choose to talk to Christ alone, this is not a sin. The Apostle John said Christ is all we need.

Incredible!!! I bet he Catholics here will be so relieved and grateful for you pointing out the error of their heathen ways!!

And as for me…here I spent all this time thinking Catholics are Christian. But that empty verse-slinging, assumption-filled little paragraph sure opened my eyes! wow!

 

[NonDenom]

Hello,

Re: the Rosary may “not” be in the Bible but the Bible is in the Rosary, 18/20 times. Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible.
Please reply,
tdtm@CharlesRizzo.com
www.truedevotiontomary.net

Why is it that 2 Tim 3:16 says that “all scripture is profitable”, and not that “all scripture and tradition is profitable”.
Just a thought

 

[Milliardo]

Why is it that 2 Tim 3:16 says that “all scripture is profitable”, and not that “all scripture and tradition is profitable”.
Just a thought

It never said “only Scripture is profitable”; it only states something, in that Scripture is profitable. It does not imply that those not in Scripture is not profitable. There is a difference between “all Scripture” and “only Scripture”.

 

[lak611]

It never said “only Scripture is profitable”; it only states something, in that Scripture is profitable. It does not imply that those not in Scripture is not profitable. There is a difference between “all Scripture” and “only Scripture”.

St. John tells us that not everything is in Scripture. From the KJV:

Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[Milliardo]

St. John tells us that not everything is in Scripture. From the KJV:

That is true; it would also be notable to reflect that if only Scripture is profitable, then the logical conclusion is that any type of prayer done that is not in Scripture wold be unprofitable, which would be ironic and senseless when one realizes that many private prayers are not based on Scripture (but are nonetheless sincere).

 

[Zooey]

Hi, My name is Selma Kelly of OC, Cal. I’m a Protestant and also baptized in the Holy Spirit, as shown in Acts Chapter 2 and Acts Chapter 19.

About Hail Marys. Jesus said “chanting” is a FORBIDDEN heathen practice. Take a look …

Matt 6: 7-9: And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do not be like them.

Further, chanting defies basic principles of faith. Why do we need to pray something over and over? Do we not have faith that God heard us “the first time”?

Further, nowhere did Jesus say to “ask anything” in Miriam’s name (that’s her real name). At all times He said “Ask in My name”. See John Chapters 14, 15 to 16 throughout.

John 14:14: If you ask anything IN MY NAME I will do it.

Further, no dead person has ever earned the right to hear prayer or answer prayer. Only Christ earned this right on the Cross.

1 Tim 2:5: For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus…

Only One ! ! ! As for mysteries of prayer and rosaries … Christ died openly on a city garbage dump. He does NOTHING in “mysterious ways” but used clear and simple methods that speak to EVERYONE … rich, poor … dumb, smart …black, white.

I have a very special scripture meant for your personally … Proverbs 10:22. May it rest upon your house forever.

Best regards In Him. sk.

http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/1.gifChanting??? http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/1.gifWho’s “chanting”???
You seriously have Bestsmileys.com clue as to what the rosary is, if you imagine that it is chanting.

Further, if you knew the real meaning of the word, “mysteries”, you would never have posted anything so:shrug: silly about them.

Now, as to this:

(Her name is Miriam, not Mary.)

. Allow me to give you a little lesson in one of my favorite subjects: naming & names.
Mary=Marie=Maria=Miriam=Marian=Marianna=Marissa=Maritza=Polly= Molly=Marina=Marya=Mariah=Mariel=Marietta=Marilyn=(etc, ad infinitum).
Mary’s birth name? Well, she would have been called “Mariamne”, a popular name of her day.Not Miriam, which was a faulty tranliteration of a name that, being Jewish, was written in Hebrew & therefore had no vowels.But none of this matters, because the thousand or so variant spellings of the name vary only in spelling. They are all exactly the same name, in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Spanish, French, Latin, Russian, Hungarian, etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

(Did you know that your name, Selma, is simply a corruption of “Anselm”??)

 

[lak611]

http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/1.gifChanting??? http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/1.gifWho’s “chanting”???
You seriously have Bestsmileys.com clue as to what the rosary is, if you imagine that it is chanting.

Further, if you knew the real meaning of the word, “mysteries”, you would never have posted anything so:shrug: silly about them.

The Rosary is mostly about Jesus. Almost all of the mysteries on based on His life. We learn the Gospels by praying the Rosary.

 

[Zooey]

The Rosary is mostly about Jesus. Almost all of the mysteries on based on His life. We learn the Gospels by praying the Rosary.

:yup: :yup: :yup:
I daresay, that if (God forbid!) every copy of the four gospels were to somehow disappear, they could be easily reconstructed, by simply praying the rosary, & writing down each story in the order they are prayed.
Awesome, isn’t it?? A person who has never learned to read, can learn the message of Christ, through the prayers of the rosary!!

 

[LilyM]

As for mysteries of prayer and rosaries … Christ died openly on a city garbage dump. He does NOTHING in “mysterious ways” but used clear and simple methods

‘Clear and simple’ methods including being God incarnate - both 100% true God and 100% true man at one and the same time?

Including repeatedly ordering people not to speak of His miracles or His transfiguration or reveal His true identity as the Messiah and Son of God?

Including speaking in parables which He ONLY explained ‘clearly and simply’ to His apostles?

Including speaking of his flesh being food and his blood drink to the point where people thought He was discussing cannibalism and left Him in disgust - and HE LET THEM walk away thinking that?

Including walking on the water, rising from the dead and ascending into heaven? AND deliberately concealing His identity from the disciples on the Road to Emmaus?

Real simple all of these things were - so simple that many many didn’t and still don’t comprehend them. So Jesus DID indeed work in signs, wonders and mysteries.

We use the word ‘mysteries’ in relation to the Rosary. That’s probably the wrong word. We simply mean that we contemplate and meditate upon different episodes from Christ’s life while praying. In that sense it’s never vain.

 

[lak611]

:yup: :yup: :yup:
I daresay, that if (God forbid!) every copy of the four gospels were to somehow disappear, they could be easily reconstructed, by simply praying the rosary, & writing down each story in the order they are prayed.
Awesome, isn’t it?? A person who has never learned to read, can learn the message of Christ, through the prayers of the rosary!!

The Rosary is probably the greatest evangelistic tool that unfortunately many people have not known.

 

[Zooey]

Why is it that 2 Tim 3:16 says that “all scripture is profitable”, and not that “all scripture and tradition is profitable”.
Just a thought

It does not say, you will note, that nothing but Scripture is profitable. It says that all of Scripture is profitable, not just parts of Scripture–all of it.
Which reminds me, how many books does your favorite Bible have in it? If it’s only 66, you are missing out on profiting from “all Scripture”!!
Think about it!!!

 

[Church_Militant]

Why is it that 2 Tim 3:16 says that “all scripture is profitable”, and not that “all scripture and tradition is profitable”.
Just a thought

Why is it that 2 Tim 2:15 says “Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” but doesn’t say “Carefully study scripture alone”
Just a thought

 

[Ani_Ibi]

… if a thought runs through my head, I have to stop typing because my brain cannot think about two things at one time. See what I mean? …

Yes, I see what you mean.

But I can multi-task. Right now, I am typing, toasting my waffles, letting the sun come up, wondering about what kind of weather we will have today, thinking about Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, getting another screen up, strategizing some online research, and being thankful for a new day. And all this while I am still half asleep.

Now I could possibly thank God for the various blessings which I have at the same time. However, I know that our God is a jealous God and probably would not appreciate all the flurry of activity so I do my very best to quiet my mind before I officially speak to him.

However there are many many kinds of prayer. One kind is called ‘glimpse prayer.’ For instance you’ll be walking to work and suddenly you will see a beautiful tree and realize how glorious is God’s Creation and be thankful to be included in it. Just because I am not babbling on to God like a little chickadee, does not mean that my glimpses are not prayers.

As I said there are many many kinds of prayer. Not just the kind which has someone pile on the words. There are the Mass, novenas, thanksgiving, songs of praise, Confession, Adoration, petitions, being slain in the Spirit, praying in tongues, and all sorts more. An arthritic whom I know says that sometimes she has so much pain that the only way she can pray is to stretch out her hand. Oh, and all that Sacred Art which some folks call idols? They were prayers too when the artists were creating them.

Any additions to the list?



Oh, did I forget the Rosary?

PS: I have seen and heard some non-Catholics pray. For some of them, I have often wondered at the verbal skill required to get so many words out in a short space of time and I have asked myself how much of self is in all of that.

I appreciate written prayers because, the self tends to disappear. They are the same prayers that millions of Catholics have prayed or are praying. This lets me come to God empty so that He can fill me. Just a thought.

However, in the end, perhaps we pray the best way each of us knows how. Prayer is so personal, who are we to judge another person’s prayer? I think we end up choosing a mode of prayer which suits our individual needs in approaching God.

We are blessed to have so much choice, n’est-ce pas?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

So, do you still think all these flavors are still under the umbrella of one “true Church”? Or perhaps you believe like I do that each person, no matter what church they go to, will be judged by God individually. We won’t be wearing signs on our chests that say, “Catholic” or “Baptist” or “Pentecostal”. God will simply judge us according to our faith in Jesus Christ.

This is a faulty dilemma.

Catholics do have Magisterial teaching which, for us, is not optional. Beyond that, however, there is a world of choice within the Catholic Church. So yes, many ‘flavours’ as you put it are under the umbrella of one ‘true Church’ which is Catholicism, the universal Church. However, those ‘flavours’ do not include heresy, anathema, apostacy and other forms of rebellion against the Magisterium.

Yes, I believe that we all shall be judged according to how we have used the gifts given to us as individuals as well as how tirelessly we as individuals have sought to understand and do exactly what Jesus wants us to do. This would include his careful provisions to us concerning the Church He established on Earth.

‘Us’ includes all the millions of souls who lived before the Reformation.

 

[NotWorthy]

Why is it that 2 Tim 3:16 says that “all scripture is profitable”, and not that “all scripture and tradition is profitable”.
Just a thought

Because Timothy was already told, “Hold fast to the Traditions you’ve been given, either orally or written” (Paraphrasing)

 

[Teflon93]

Because Timothy was already told, “Hold fast to the Traditions you’ve been given, either orally or written” (Paraphrasing)

Confiscation of property of the Catholic Church was certainly profitable when Elizabeth and Luther indulged in it. And yet Christ doesn’t mention it. Does that make it unprofitable?

Oh, I’m sorry—this passage never purported to be an inventory of all profitable things.

There is also the small matter of the fact that Scripture is nothing more than Tradition committed to written media.

Writing was invented well into God’s reign, you know.

 

[NotWorthy]

Now I could possibly thank God for the various blessings which I have at the same time. However, I know that our God is a jealous God and probably would not appreciate all the flurry of activity so I do my very best to quiet my mind before I officially speak to him.

I like your reasoning, but I disagree. A friend is a friend, even though you can’t always give him 100% of your attention. Now, I know Jesus is much more than a friend.

But I don’t mind talking to Him even when I’m driving down the road, or when I’ve got five things on my mind. As long as I still give Him all my attention at certain times, I would think He’d appreciate some of my attention during the rest of my day.

 

[clmowry]

How could you possibly know? You must have the eyes of God?

Chuck

One more thing…

I noticed a people state that praying the Rosary allows them to hear God as well. I think that is a valid argument. However, I have been exposed to many, many Catholics and I just don’t see this with the majority (of the ones I know).

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Confiscation of property of the Catholic Church was certainly profitable when Elizabeth and Luther indulged in it.

Small quibble - it wasn’t Elizabeth, it was her daddy who did the confiscating.

 

[LilyM]

Small quibble - it wasn’t Elizabeth, it was her daddy who did the confiscating.

Elizabeth (I believe) chose the more lucrative course of fining Catholics who refused to attend Anglican services. Didn’t actually prohibit it for quite a while - chose to get the regular income from those who had to pay the fine each week.