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JamesTheJust
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How cool! I had wondered why your posts were always blue, but I never bothered to ask.
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Church_Militant
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How cool! I had wondered why your posts were always blue, but I never bothered to ask.
It’s all her “fault” I reverted. See My Testimony .
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JamesTheJust
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Our Blessed Mother sure is wondrous, isn’t she?
Your testimony is very powerful (and, in some parts, eerily familiar). It’s been bookmarked.
Hopefully crochet lady will be added to the ranks of those who have converted to the Truth with your help.
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I just dropped in to see what was going on here, and I have to point out, Crochet Lady, that: “God’s Word”= Jesus Christ, God the Son.
The Bible contains God’s words, but** the **Word is Christ Himslef, ma’am. It’s Christ Himslef.
Now I have to go take something for the freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick001.gif I got when I
saw that John Wesley’s name is being used on that -]garbage heap/-] -]three-day-old-carp-in-the-hot-sun/-] website that CL linked to.
Father Wesley is definitely doing the cha-cha-cha in his grave over that, even as we speak. (Good thing he’s passed on; the poor man would be arrested for beating Mike Gendron’s head with a lead weight. And quite rightly, too…).:banghead:
The Bible contains God’s words, but** the **Word is Christ Himslef, ma’am. It’s Christ Himslef.
Now I have to go take something for the freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick001.gif I got when I
saw that John Wesley’s name is being used on that -]garbage heap/-] -]three-day-old-carp-in-the-hot-sun/-] website that CL linked to.Father Wesley is definitely doing the cha-cha-cha in his grave over that, even as we speak. (Good thing he’s passed on; the poor man would be arrested for beating Mike Gendron’s head with a lead weight. And quite rightly, too…).:banghead:
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spina1953
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Gotta say Great Post!!!
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crochet_lady
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eddie too
All I’m doing is presenting ‘my’ interpretation to who ever is listening on this thread – That Hardly constitutes Me trying to share my view with the ‘world’. Each person is free to read and interpret Scripture on their own. Ya know – the freedom of speech
And in response to ‘whomever’ – of course, every club, group, organization has a leader. That’s a given. A person in charge, another person to take that person’s place if they can’t be there and a secretary to keep track of business. And obviously a church group is the same way.
All I’m doing is presenting ‘my’ interpretation to who ever is listening on this thread – That Hardly constitutes Me trying to share my view with the ‘world’. Each person is free to read and interpret Scripture on their own. Ya know – the freedom of speech
And in response to ‘whomever’ – of course, every club, group, organization has a leader. That’s a given. A person in charge, another person to take that person’s place if they can’t be there and a secretary to keep track of business. And obviously a church group is the same way.
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zz912
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Something to note about his usage of the term Catholic Church. He wrote this in the early 100’s. And note how he uses the term. He uses is casually, with absolutely NO explanation or illumination as to what he means by the term. So he is VERY confident that his audience is very familiar with the term and what he means by it. So this term must have been in use and familiar for a LONG time before he wrote this letter.
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2 Peter 1:19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
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zz912
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It means that Peter is in authority in a special way distinct from the other Apostles. Also look to the prayer that Jesus prays for Peter that he will strengthen his brethren. And Jesus also commands him individually to feed, tend, and feed His sheep.
The bishops collectively have the authority known as the Magisterium. The Pope is a bishop as well, but has authority distinct from this as well.
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Yup – I AM still here – Trying to establish what the Church is. When it came into being. In Acts 8:1 " Now Saul was consenting to his death. At that time a great persecution arose against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles."
vs. 3 “As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison.”
vs 4"Therefore those who were scattered went everywhere preaching the word."
vs. 5 "Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them.
All of this was After Jesus Christ had ascended back to His Father in heaven. The ‘church’ being referred to Here is at Jerusalem. But due to the persecution – the people were scattered to those other regions vs 4 says they continued to ‘preach the word’
Acts 9:31 – after Sauls conversion he was speaking boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus …vs 31 “Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the company of the Holy Spirit they were multiplied.”
Acts 13 " Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers…"
So - there have been various mention of the ‘church’ in several different geographical areas. And later in the book there are Paul’s missionary jorneys where many other ‘churches’ are formed. So - - What are these ‘churches’ and under Who’s authority are they being ‘formed’. And who is the Head of these bodies of believers / the churches that are formed of believers.
vs. 3 “As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison.”
vs 4"Therefore those who were scattered went everywhere preaching the word."
vs. 5 "Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them.
All of this was After Jesus Christ had ascended back to His Father in heaven. The ‘church’ being referred to Here is at Jerusalem. But due to the persecution – the people were scattered to those other regions vs 4 says they continued to ‘preach the word’
Acts 9:31 – after Sauls conversion he was speaking boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus …vs 31 “Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the company of the Holy Spirit they were multiplied.”
Acts 13 " Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers…"
So - there have been various mention of the ‘church’ in several different geographical areas. And later in the book there are Paul’s missionary jorneys where many other ‘churches’ are formed. So - - What are these ‘churches’ and under Who’s authority are they being ‘formed’. And who is the Head of these bodies of believers / the churches that are formed of believers.
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crochet_lady
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Another comment – Trying to clear up a Big misunderstanding - Again. As for Mike Gendron – I found One article from him – No Clue as to who he is – I’m NOT a ‘follower’ of him. I’d found the same article from other research. There was really No need to start a side thread regarding him – Don’t know him – don’t Plan to. Okay? Thank you
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adrift
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I am glad that you are.
This is from the Catholic Encyclopedia
Read the rest of the article here Catholic Encyclopedia
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JamesTheJust
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The Moderator is the one who decided to take your off topic subject and make a new thread. It isn’t so much about him but about his and evidently your thoughts on what the Keys given to Peter are and who holds them.Another comment – Trying to clear up a Big misunderstanding - Again. As for Mike Gendron – I found One article from him – No Clue as to who he is – I’m NOT a ‘follower’ of him. I’d found the same article from other research. There was really No need to start a side thread regarding him – Don’t know him – don’t Plan to. Okay? Thank you
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Michael_Francis
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Correct!
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Church_Militant
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However, it is obvious that there was only one church, not the thousands that exist today. So that doesn’t help you much.
You messed up here. How much Greek do you know? Let me just show you this verse in the Greek because it’s important and relevant. h men oun ekklhsia kaq olhV thV ioudaiaV kai galilaiaV kai samareiaV eicen eirhnhn oikodomoumenh kai poreuomenh tw fobw tou kuriou kai th paraklhsei tou agiou pneumatoV eplhquneto
Every text in the Greek uses the same word for “church throughout all” that I have placed in red above. That says “ecclesia katholos” which can also be translated as Catholic Church.
Also very few English translations make the mistake of using the English plural. Most say simply “the church”. Didn’t know that the Catholic Church is actually found in the Bible, now did you?
Again, doesn’t help you much. In fact, as I said before, there was only the eon church, and it was the early church bishop of that same church who wrote the letter to Smyrna calling it “the Catholic Church”, so you should probably consider that as well.
That would be the apostles and their successors which one can see from early church writings had direct ties to them.
Yet you cited his article as indicative of your own beliefs did you not? Or do you not agree with what he says? You won’t find us citing sources that we do not agree with…except as I sometimes do in order to examine and refute their errors…Another comment – Trying to clear up a Big misunderstanding - Again. As for Mike Gendron – I found One article from him – No Clue as to who he is – I’m NOT a ‘follower’ of him. I’d found the same article from other research. There was really No need to start a side thread regarding him – Don’t know him – don’t Plan to. Okay? Thank you
Here’s a good and very relevant question for you CL…
Just exactly why do you reject the Catholic Church as the Biblically and historically evidenced authority for Christian doctrine?
If the Bible shows that it was so and if history supports what we see in the Bible, then why would any sincere Christian desire to remain apart from it?
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icamhif
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In what sense is Peter distinct for having the keys? What can he do that the other apostles can’t?
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JamesTheJust
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The keys give him supremacy over the Church, just like the keys gave the Steward supremacy over the Kingdom in Isaiah 22.
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Modern_Revert
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The Churches (plural) being established were all Catholic. They were not multiple denominations, if that’s what you’re getting at.
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FathersKnowBest
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Right. It’s like each individual Catholic Church (i.e., St. Martha’s parish, St. Barnabas parish, etc.) are different churches in the physical sense, but all belong to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. The only one built by Jesus.
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