Sprinkled with holy water, against one's will?

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Am I correct in thinking that it is wrong to sprinkle someone with holy water and attempt to bless them, when they have specifically asked that this NOT be done?

(As in, it would be wrong for a Catholic girlfriend to chase down her Pagan boyfriend and try to bless him with holy water, when he does not want to be blessed?)
 
I would say yes. Unless it is the local exorcist driving out a demon, people should not be coerced into religious practice agains their will.

Although, if the pagan boyfriend doesn’t believe that the Catholic faith is true, I don’t see why he wouldn’t just find it to be something to chuckle about 🤷
 
I’m thinking that it’s less about the actual water, and more about the “not stopping when asked”…it’s incredibly rude to try and “force” religion on someone else!!

Would this be a misuse of holy water, do you think?
 
I’m not worried about it being rude - if a bit of rudeness will save someone’s soul then I’ll gladly be rude!

Simply that it almost certainly wouldn’t work, and if anything would drive the person further away from Catholicism.

Try hiding a green scapular in their room and praying for their conversion.
 
I’m thinking that it’s less about the actual water, and more about the “not stopping when asked”…it’s incredibly rude to try and “force” religion on someone else!!

Would this be a misuse of holy water, do you think?
Yes, I would think so.

It sounds like the girl is very immature. (Why, for example, is she even dating a Pagan, in the first place? She needs to find a good Catholic boy to go with.)
 
I know I wouldn’t appreciate it. Nor would I appreciate a person of faith, pagan or Christian to hide an amulet,scapular, medal, poppet, or other religious item they believe holds or represents supernatural power among my things or person.

If a faith is true, one need never revert to subterfuge or force to gain conversion.

If you care about a person, and respect them enough to want them to come to appreciate your faith (not superstition, but faith), then I would think you would respect them enough to be open, honest and respectful in your dealings with them.

If you want to bless them, talk to them about it. If you want to convert them, ask them if they are open to having the green scapular among their possesions, and let them know your intention to pray for them.

I am horrified, that Catholics, who claim to have all the revealed truth, would stoop to such levels to “sneak” holiness or “blessings” to someone against their will. I don’t recall Christ setting that example.
 
And if he’s a vampire, you won’t have a boyfriend at all after dousing him! 😛

Barring that, though, cheddarsox is completely right. Forcing your religious practices on someone is something Christians are told to abhor, for good reason. It’s one of the things that always rubbed me the wrong way about the green scapular (I had all kinds of medals and scapulars when I was young). If the intended recipient won’t take it from you honestly, you hide it in his or her belongings? That’s not a sacramental, it’s a mojo bag!
 
I could care less whether an individual does not appreciate my use of sacramentals on his or her behalf. What concerns me here is that you are treating these blessed objects as magic talismans. This is sacrilege.
 
Unfortunately, its people that do things like this that make all of us look insane to the world.

Now I can see why people are spooked out about my medals and possibly secretly wondering if I am casting spells or some such thing…

:o 😦

Maybe I will get rid of them.
 
Unfortunately, its people that do things like this that make all of us look insane to the world.

Now I can see why people are spooked out about my medals and possibly secretly wondering if I am casting spells or some such thing…

:o 😦

Maybe I will get rid of them.
If she wanted convert her boyfriend she should’ve just used imperius spell. By using holy water she took the chance of burning him If he was indeed a vampire.

Seriously of course it is wrong to use holy water on someone who does not want it. However on a scale of one to 10 of religious abuses I put it at about a one.
 
I’m just curious as to why a presumably faithful Catholic young lady has a Pagan boyfriend. :confused:
 
Question:

Am I correct in thinking that it is wrong to sprinkle someone with holy water and attempt to bless them, when they have specifically asked that this NOT be done?

(As in, it would be wrong for a Catholic girlfriend to chase down her Pagan boyfriend and try to bless him with holy water, when he does not want to be blessed?)
It is 100% wrong on many levels; most of them already mentioned in other replies. I also believe that a ‘Catholic’ young woman should not be dating a pagan. By the young woman wanting to bless this young man without his permission, or even worse against his permission, she is most likely pushing him further away from Christ than closer. Also, by her wishing to bless him, it tells me that she knows that is its preferable to be equally yoked and wants to put the yoke of Christ around the neck of a young man who does not wish to walk with Christ. Perhaps she would be better served to find someone already on Christ’s path or remain single for the time being.
 
Pagans are people too, you know.
Yes, but when we enter into romantic relationships, we need to be “equally yoked,” meaning that Pagans should date other Pagans, and Catholics should date other Catholics.

While it’s true that opposites attract, the only necessary opposite is that one is male and the other is female - everything else can (and probably should) be the same.
 
If this young woman believes in this type of use of holy water, it does not surprise me that she dates a pagan. Indeed, if that is her idea of Catholicism and the use of sacramentals, she may find much in common with his faith if his is one that uses and believes in magic and witchcraft.

As a pantheist, I am a marginal member of the pagan community, and belong to some pagan forums. I have shared here at CAF before how similar much of the practices are. I was raised Catholic and saw much superstition and magical understandings and uses of statues, medals, and other sacramentals. It was, unfortunately very common, where I was growing up.

While official teaching may be far from such magical and superstitious use, I fear that such practices as mentioned above are sadly common. Indeed, it makes many Catholics feel at home in the world of magic and witchcraft and many pagans feel free to borrow and use the sacramentals of Catholicism.

I am not sure, in a Church so large and global, how proper Catechesis might be done to counteract this type of belief and behavior. I had a friend raised Catholic in France who spoke of the same running rampant in her country.

I am sharing what I hear and read in posts from Catholics and Catholics turned pagan, and pagans dabbling in Catholicism. Many people do not understand or practice any material difference in the use of pagan talismans and Catholic sacramentals.

People who know better can do their faith and fellow church members a service by teaching the proper theology and use of these items.

I fear a great deal of mischief takes place.

I certainly know it has in my life, and, indeed, was one of the things that made me flee Catholicism. I am now in a religion that does not use such images and items, not because they are inherently wrong, but because there is so much tendency toward misuse and misunderstanding, that I found it to outweigh the benefit in my life.
 
Pagans are people too, you know.
Just not on this forum Mirdath.

😉

Frankly, I wonder why it would be so much worse to carry on with a pagan than any other “heretic” ? Why do they get top billing for not being suitable?
I thought error was error and that seems plain enough to me. It seems there are “levels” of acceptable error and non acceptable error to some.
Catholics confuse me sometimes.🤷

Besides, Pagans dont even bite. I have been bitten as a child in school and that kid that did it was not a pagan. 🙂
 
You should watch Father Corapi program on sacramentals he even talks about inscense as a sacramental and the Satanists use their own so it does not surprise me that the OP runs away, my question why? What have you to fear?

I sprinkle many things that people sit in my house on HW and do not tell them but it only bbrings peace and clear mind to them that come and sit. I think it works because I get it from a very holy priest, sort of orthodox like, I haven’t had the courage to ask if he has exorcised anyone.

Drug dealers say satanic devil blessings on their drugs to ask for the people using them to become addicted t bring in more money for them.

Father Corapi says when he is going to use a sacramental he calls upon all the angels first, his and the persons and the archangels to go before him because the battle is a war in the air.
Dessert
 
I hope somebody didn’t actually do that! That almost sounds like someone is re-enacting a scene from The Exorcist (of course, official exorcisms are quite different from lay people chasing someone with Holy Water). I don’t see where doing such a thing would bring somebody closer to Christ. So, wrong as pagan beliefs may be, I just think sprinkling the individual with Holy Water against his will is counterproductive. Unfortunately I have noticed (though thankfully not that much) the same attitude Cheddarsox described that some people think of sacramentals as a magic charm. I usually see this attitude in regards to the use of Rosary beads (people think they need the BEADS in order to say the Rosary, when in actuality the prayers are what is important). But at least there aren’t too many people that I know who think that way.

I agree, it would be better to just pray for the individual (I would agree with hiding a green scapular somewhere, but I personally am very territorial and would have an issue with someone physically touching my property without my permission and hiding something). I’d much rather have the person tell me they’re praying for me, or give me a Catholic sacramental and explain WHY they’re giving it to me. I’ve accepted things like that before, such as a Bible from a girl who said she hoped I would read it and convert to true Christianity (she thought that I was “too Catholic” even though I wasn’t even Catholic at the time!)
 
Drug dealers say satanic devil blessings on their drugs to ask for the people using them to become addicted t bring in more money for them.
I can assure you that this does not happen any more than brewers saying ‘satanic devil blessings’ over their beers and liquors so people get drunker.
 
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