Squashed wedding announcement disappoints gay couple

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

Someone email this petition to Father Zuhlsdorf!

 

[jilly4ski]

Thank you for your respectful response.

I need to point out, however, that non-Catholic Christian to Christian weddings are recognized by the Catholic Church but are not sacramental. Many marriages outside of the church are civil and therefore not recognized by the Church. Marriages between Christians and non-Christians can be (but not always) considered valid, but again not sacramental.

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You are actually incorrect. If two baptized non-Catholic Christians get married it is a sacramental marriage whether they got married in front of a justice of the peace or a pastor of a protestant Church. A marriage between a baptized and non-baptized or two non-baptized people would be valid but not sacramental. It again could be in a church or a justice of the peace.
The only hitch we get to is Catholics. If a Catholic tries to marry without permission outside the Church then it would not be a valid marriage. Nobody else is obligated to get married inside a church.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Signed and posted to my facebook page too.

 

[Dale_M]

If you support Archbishop Lucas’ decision to stop the printing of a lesbian couple’s “wedding” in the alum newsletter of their Catholic high school, please visit the following link, add your name to the signatures, and pass on the link to others: signon.org/sign/we-support-the-archdiocese?source=s.em.mt&r_by=5153286

erm… does anyone else think that SignOn.com was a poor choice for a petition drive which opposes gay marriage?

SignOn.org is a division of MoveOn.org, the left wing organization famous for their anti Iraq war efforts. In particular, they are notorious for their 2007 full page ad in the New York Times which labelled General David H. Petraeus as “General Betray Us.”

This is from SignOn.org’s About page

Who’s using SignOn.org?

Since our launch in early 2011, tens of thousands of petitions have been started on SignOn.org, garnering millions of signatures for campaigns. Most petition creators are regular people who want to make their voices heard. Also, progressive state legislators and organizations such as Planned Parenthood, the AFL-CIO, and the Sierra Club have used SignOn.org to give their campaigns a major grassroots boost. Click here to read about SignOn.org success stories.

signon.org/about.html

I mention all of this because there is a fair chance that someone (maybe several people) will flag the petition as inappropriate, calling it hate speech against homosexuals. I worry that the petition will be deleted.

Besides, to sign the petition you have to give provide personal contact information. Who wants to be added to MoveOn.org’s email list? Or their junk mail list? :nope:

Perhaps sending an email of support to the archbishop, or a letter or a phone call would be better? Certainly such things would be guaranteed to reach the archdiocese. Such contacts would also be obviously genuine, instead of an unverified list of names from an online petition.

Here is the contact page for the Archdiocese of Omaha

archomaha.org/admin-services/archbishop.html

 

[NorthTexan88]

Signed!

 

[TheRealJuliane]

erm… does anyone else think that SignOn.com was a poor choice for a petition drive which opposes gay marriage?

SignOn.org is a division of MoveOn.org, the left wing organization famous for their anti Iraq war efforts. In particular, they are notorious for their 2007 full page ad in the New York Times which labelled General David H. Petraeus as “General Betray Us.”

This is from SignOn.org’s About page

signon.org/about.html

I mention all of this because there is a fair chance that someone (maybe several people) will flag the petition as inappropriate, calling it hate speech against homosexuals. I worry that the petition will be deleted.

Besides, to sign the petition you have to give provide personal contact information. Who wants to be added to MoveOn.org’s email list? Or their junk mail list? :nope:

Perhaps sending an email of support to the archbishop, or a letter or a phone call would be better? Certainly such things would be guaranteed to reach the archdiocese. Such contacts would also be obvious genuine, instead of an unverified list of names from an online petition.

Here is the contact page for the Archdiocese of Omaha

archomaha.org/admin-services/archbishop.html

Oh man…:nope::dts::doh2:

Thanks, I’m going to do that too. Wish I could remove my signature from the SignOn site!

 

[Corki]

Whoa, wait, stop, think.

Does this same newsletter publish the weddings of alumnae who marry outside of the church? Most likely it publishes notices about civil and non-Christian weddings. If it does so, there’s no reason to single out same sex unions. If it has a policy to only publish notices about weddings that are recognized by the Catholic Church, then, they have a right to refuse in this case.

Whoa, wait, stop yourself. We aren’t talking about a city newspaper here. We are talking about the publication of a Catholic institution. From the perspective of the Church, there is a world of difference between a couple that marries outside the Church and someone who tries to marry an individual of the same sex.

I’m getting mightily tired of Catholics who seem to think that living a homosexual lifestyle is somehow a graver sin than any other. I think if the Catholic Church expects people who are attracted to their own gender to live a celibate life, the the onus is on Catholics to treat these people (who are being asked to make a huge sacrifice) with the utmost respect. Dialogue and civilized debate is what’s required, not the drawing of battle lines.

Of course we treat them with respect but engaging in a homosexual relationship and simulating marriage is, if not graver, in a whole other category of sin than marrying outside the Church. In the latter instance, it is possible that the relationship is regularized and recognized by the Church. With a same sex relationship, the relationship itself, and not just the “marriage” is disordered. There is **nothing **that can make it whole.

So, if you’ve never masturbated, had extra or premarital sex, looked at porn, go ahead and cast the first stone (in the eyes of the Church all of these things are no less sinful than having a same sex partner). By all means, engage with this issue, but please do so with love & respect

I don’t see any stones being cast. However, an indiviudual who engages in the activities you list can rejoin communion with the Church by a good Sacramental confession. The same is not true for a same sex couple who is living togehter and holding themselves out as spouses. Keeping the dialogue civil is NOT the same as giving equal treatment to a couple who is flouting Church teaching and making a mockery of the Sacrament of marriage.

 

[He_Man]

Whoa, wait, stop yourself. We aren’t talking about a city newspaper here. We are talking about the publication of a Catholic institution. From the perspective of the Church, there is a world of difference between a couple that marries outside the Church and someone who tries to marry an individual of the same sex.

Of course we treat them with respect but engaging in a homosexual relationship and simulating marriage is, if not graver, in a whole other category of sin than marrying outside the Church. In the latter instance, it is possible that the relationship is regularized and recognized by the Church. With a same sex relationship, the relationship itself, and not just the “marriage” is disordered. There is **nothing **that can make it whole.

I don’t see any stones being cast. However, an indiviudual who engages in the activities you list can rejoin communion with the Church by a good Sacramental confession. The same is not true for a same sex couple who is living togehter and holding themselves out as spouses. Keeping the dialogue civil is NOT the same as giving equal treatment to a couple who is flouting Church teaching and making a mockery of the Sacrament of marriage.

It is always the same with these topics.

1. Gay proponents push to have legitimacy granted to their actions in public square.
2. Church takes stand against this public opposition to its teachings, but does so respectfully.
3. Church and its adherants get chided for singling out homosexuals.
4. Profit.

Sooooo tirrrrriiiing. Again, the first step in this is always the request or desire, quite publically, to have a belief or lifestyle contrary to the Church’s teachings, recoginzed as legitimate by the Church. The homosexual movement is the ONLY major movement that opposes Church teaching that is as frequently in your face about it. Edit: The contraceptive and abortion movement does as well, to a degree.

There are no moves to legitimize adultery. There are no moves to legitimize porn as healthy for Catholics. There are no pro-masturbation parades.

So please stop with the chiding of Catholics who rush to defend the Church against mockery, attacks, or from being made a spectacle of (which is all this former student is trying to do…). We do so with love, we do so respectfully, and we do so with the teachings of Christ at our backs.

 

[latin_rite]

I’m getting mightily tired of Catholics who seem to think that living a homosexual lifestyle is somehow a graver sin than any other. .

I’m getting tired of “Catholics” like you.

 

[timotheos]

SignOn.org is a division of MoveOn.org,

Besides, to sign the petition you have to give provide personal contact information. Who wants to be added to MoveOn.org’s email list? Or their junk mail list?

Here is the contact page for the Archdiocese of Omaha

archomaha.org/admin-services/archbishop.html

Thanks Dale. Sounds like by signing you would be added to MoveOn.org mailing list. I will send a note directly.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Signed

 

[_Abyssinia]

Signed before I knew about moveon.org

 

[Crescentinus]

Signed before I knew about moveon.org

Same here. o:

 

[fix]

Whoa, wait, stop, think.

Does this same newsletter publish the weddings of alumnae who marry outside of the church? Most likely it publishes notices about civil and non-Christian weddings. If it does so, there’s no reason to single out same sex unions. If it has a policy to only publish notices about weddings that are recognized by the Catholic Church, then, they have a right to refuse in this case.

There are plenty of valid marriages outside the Church and sacramental marriages by non Catholics. So, your point does not stand.

I’m getting mightily tired of Catholics who seem to think that living a homosexual lifestyle is somehow a graver sin than any other.

I am tired of people not recognizing that some serious sins are more grave than others.

I think if the Catholic Church expects people who are attracted to their own gender to live a celibate life, the the onus is on Catholics to treat these people (who are being asked to make a huge sacrifice) with the utmost respect. Dialogue and civilized debate is what’s required, not the drawing of battle lines.

The battle is started by those who attempt to push immorality on others.

So, if you’ve never masturbated, had extra or premarital sex, looked at porn, go ahead and cast the first stone (in the eyes of the Church all of these things are no less sinful than having a same sex partner). By all means, engage with this issue, but please do so with love & respect.

You are wrong on 2 counts.

1. not all serious sin is of equal gravity.
2. Repenting is different from not repenting and publicly causing scandal.

 

[Another_Mary]

erm… does anyone else think that SignOn.com was a poor choice for a petition drive which opposes gay marriage?

I was already to click “sign” when I noticed that. So I didn’t.

I’m glad other people have noticed.

Contacting the Archdiocese directly may take more time but it’s a better way to give your support.

 

[HappyAtHome]

Thank you to everyone who has, in good faith, signed their names to the petition. I am disappointed to hear about SignOn.org’s connection with MoveOn. Please continue to share the story and contact Archbishop Lucas’ office with words of support. Thank you, and have a blessed weekend!

The Chancery
100 N. 62nd St.
Omaha, NE 68132
402.558.3100
(FAX) 402.551.4212

 

[FCEGM]

I was already to click “sign” when I noticed that. So I didn’t.

I’m glad other people have noticed.

Contacting the Archdiocese directly may take more time but it’s a better way to give your support.

I signed the petition despite it being on the “MoveOn” site; as soon as I received an e-mail from “MoveOn’” I removed my name from their mailing list. In doing so one is able to tay why, including the automatic option of “because of MoveOn’s support of Obama.”

 

[saveusfromhell]

signed it

 

[Another_Mary]

I signed the petition despite it being on the “MoveOn” site; as soon as I received an e-mail from “MoveOn’” I removed my name from their mailing list. In doing so one is able to tay why, including the automatic option of “because of MoveOn’s support of Obama.”

Very good option!

I’m glad to know they have it.

 

[Corki]

I signed the petition despite it being on the “MoveOn” site; as soon as I received an e-mail from “MoveOn’” I removed my name from their mailing list. In doing so one is able to tay why, including the automatic option of “because of MoveOn’s support of Obama.”

Yeah, I already got my first MoveOn email too. I decided, however, not to remove myself. Sometimes it is interesting to see how the other side thinks and operates.