SSPX Teaching Video

[I_Believe]

Annulments have everything to do with invalid marriages. …

JR

Ok, perhaps I’m wrong. My point is, if a marriage is declared invalid by the Church, what is there to annul ?

 

[Genesis315]

Ok, perhaps I’m wrong. My point is, if a marriage is declared invalid by the Church, what is there to annul ?

The term “annulment” is a bit of a misnomer (although it is the term most commonly used). A more technically precise phrase would be a “declaration of nullity.”

 

[Cat]

This was TRULY my experience. Why would I lie? I learned the Angelus too, two years ago that is, when I made the change to tradition. I am inspired by your upbringing…it was not there for me as a child, as a young adult, as a young married woman. I had to find my way back to the church and then to tradition, after many years of wondering what didn’t seem right about it all. I am sorry for your unbelief in what is reality for me and countless others. I saw more people leave the church, more families break apart, most of my friends and peers drift away from the church and morality than I care to think about. I am a product of my era, I can vouch for what happened, I experienced it first hand…and members of my family and all of my siblings, save one, are living examples of it all.

The modernists wanted to call it a meal, they wanted to appeal to the Protestants, they wanted us to forget that it is a sacrifice, they replaced the altars with tables…they accomplished all that they wanted. Please don’t deny facts, and don’t request me to deny facts, either.

You ask people to not deny the facts. I would graciously ask you to do the same and not deny the facts.

Fact: many Catholic churches and dioceses were NOT decimated by modernization back in the 1960s and 1970s.

In our city, all of the beautiful old churches are still here and still functioning. We still have TLM and have had it since the1980s. Our schools continued to teach true Catholicism and Marian devotion. We have a surplus of vocations. Our NOs are reverent and liturgically correct. Our bishop is conservative and orthodox, and our priests are obedient to him and to the Magisterium.

Our houses are in order.

I’ve visited other dioceses and I’ve found that they, too,weathered the liberal people who obviously had no clue about Catholicism. One example is the Diocese of St. Louis, where the Bishop is one of the “good ones!”

**Fact: There is no universal crisis in the Catholic Church in the U.S.A. During his recent visit, Pope Benedict XVI made it clear that he is happy with American Catholicism. **

Yes, there are individual dioceses and parishes where true Catholicism has been supplanted by the “New Age” garbage that you describe. It is especially terrible for helpless children when they grow up under such wrong teachings and with such evil teachers. I agree with you that their judgement will be harsh. The book of Jeremiah speaks of the priests who lead their people astray, and the judgements pronounced are very hard indeed.

But it is not a fact that ALL the churches in the U.S. are liberal or New Age. Not by a long shot.

piouswoman, I ask your forgiveness if I am putting words into your mouth, but this is the impression that your posts give–that all Catholic churches fell to liberalism and that the U.S.A Catholic Church is in crisis and all of us are denying it. If these statements are not what you intend to say, perhaps you will consider rewording your posts to explain more thoroughly. I know from experience that sometimes what a person means doesn’t come out clearly in their writing.

I also encourage you to continue to work through your grief over what happened to you so that you can get to a point where you can move on. You have travelled a via dolorosa, but it sounds like you have arrived at a more pleasant place. Perhaps the Lord had to use this method to get you to a place where you are in His Perfect Will. If this is the case, it would be good to be grateful for the tragedy of your childhood church for getting you to the place where you are today.

My husband and I were kicked out of our Evangelical Free church, and at the time, this was a horrific experience. I had nightmares (and still do), and cried constantly. I’ve described some of this in other threads, so I won’t go into detail, but basically, my entire life was gone. I had grown up evangelical and had spent 5-6 days a week in church or involved with some church activity, and now it was all gone and I didn’t trust “church” anymore.

But the Lord used this situation to lead us into the Catholic Church, and now I am grateful for those pastors who convened the tribunal and threw us out of their church. I still grieve occasionally over what happened (especially for my children’s choir that I lost). But the Lord is gradually restoring with INTEREST all that was taken away from us!

 

[Our_Refuge]

Also, the Saturday Vigil Masses predate the Second Vatican Council, installed by Pope Pius XII, based on the tradition associated with the Easter Vigil.

I was an altar boy in the 1960’s. There was never a Saturday vigil mass. The first Saturday Vigil mass was granted by Pope Paul VI with the idea that it would make it “easier” for Catholics to fullfill their obligation. If it had already been approved by Pius XII why did Pope Paul VI need to approve it again?

 

[ethelzguy]

I can **validate **that Our Lady was put on the back burner. Throughout my grade school and high school years, never was emphasis or so much as serious mention given to me by any of my religion teachers on the importance of Our Lady, the rosary fell into obscurity when I was in grade school….I have lived through the changes, I still remember the complete and total annihilation of the Holy Mass…I remember the nuns suddenly appearing at school in short skirts and little veils that flew out behind them when they walked, and shortly thereafter disappeared entirely, I remember the quite sudden wreckovation of our beautiful old mission style church that was replaced by an odious and modern monstrosity that still stands today, with an “altar” (read table) that looks like Fred Flintstones dining room table, I remember the sickeningly trendy guitar masses, the big deal when we suddenly could go to the Saturday afternoon “golf Mass” and it counted for Sunday, the overwhelming force of modernistic priests instructing us to take Holy Communion in the hand, the sale of a beautiful pipe organ that had been installed in the choir loft of the new monstrosity but had rarely been used…they quickly sold it and replaced it with a cheap organ in the front right of the church, and a small grand piano to boot, the lie to the parishioners that the votive stand had to go because the fire insurance wouldn’t cover it, the removal of the baptismal fount in a special alcove off of the vestibule to the front left of the church, and well, I could go on and on…not to mention the zero Catholic education that I received going to “Catholic” schools all of my youth. It is an absolute joke, and I am sick to death of those who think that everything is hunky dory…the worst, and I mean the WORST offenders of all, are the older people, my parents age and my parents included, who never stood up to the devil’s assault on the church and to this day follow blindly along and refuse to hear the truth…yes, the modernists infiltrated the church LONG before Vatican II, they indoctrinated the laity with the false notion that you do what the pope says regardless of whether it is Catholic or not, you blindly obey, you accept error, and deprived of the truths, that is exactly what happened. Well, I’ll be darned if I’m going to sit around with stars in my eyes over the current papacy and the current state of the church, I’ll be darned if I’m going to sit idly by and follow error like some sort of dumb lamb. You know what they have neglected to instruct us all of these years? That it is THE DUTY of a Catholic to KNOW his faith, and to REJECT ERROR.

An interesting dissertation on your displeasure with your parish. However, I do not see how this addresses the claim that the Blessed Virgin as been “put on the back burner”.

 

[ethelzguy]

It is an absolute joke, and I am sick to death of those who think that everything is hunky dory…the worst, and I mean the WORST offenders of all, are the older people, my parents age and my parents included, who never stood up to the devil’s assault on the church and to this day follow blindly along and refuse to hear the truth…

Throwing your own parents under the bus, to validate your displeasure with your Church…amazing.

 

[ethelzguy]

Actually, there are doubts that the Cardinal realized what he was signing in that case. He was quite elderly and practically blind.

Trash-talking the mental and physical capacity of a Cardinal to support your own position must be a new low.

 

[Eric_Olsen]

So how do you feel about the SSPX arguments presented in this video. From your previous post, I am under the impression you are at least in agreement with some part of it?

Their bishop was excommunicated, not their priests. Their mass is still valid. You cannot recieve absolution from them however because that faculty is given by the local ordinary.

The video was right on in its points regardless if you like the SSPX or not.

 

[AJV]

Also, the Saturday Vigil Masses predate the Second Vatican Council, installed by Pope Pius XII, based on the tradition associated with the Easter Vigil.

Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Pius XII allowed evening Masses?

 

[Eric_Olsen]

I believe the FSSP, which is in full communion with the Pope agrees with all the points in the video. I know of one FSSP priest who will not celebrate the novous ordo mass for the reasons in that video.

I am in agreement with those who do not care to see a propaganda video put out by a schismatic group whose leaders has been excommunicated by the Holy See. We have enough to know and learn about the true faith, Rather than looking into a schismatic group that is in open disobedience to Rome look into the Roman Catholic Church for the fullness of truth, guaranteed by Jesus while on earth and a Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Not one that has rejected ties to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[piouswoman]

Throwing your own parents under the bus, to validate your displeasure with your Church…amazing.

I’ve been through this with catharina…go back and read it. I will ignore any further vicious remarks.

 

[piouswoman]

You ask people to not deny the facts. I would graciously ask you to do the same and not deny the facts.

Fact: many Catholic churches and dioceses were NOT decimated by modernization back in the 1960s and 1970s.

In our city, all of the beautiful old churches are still here and still functioning. We still have TLM and have had it since the1980s. Our schools continued to teach true Catholicism and Marian devotion. We have a surplus of vocations. Our NOs are reverent and liturgically correct. Our bishop is conservative and orthodox, and our priests are obedient to him and to the Magisterium.

Our houses are in order.

I’ve visited other dioceses and I’ve found that they, too,weathered the liberal people who obviously had no clue about Catholicism. One example is the Diocese of St. Louis, where the Bishop is one of the “good ones!”

**Fact: There is no universal crisis in the Catholic Church in the U.S.A. During his recent visit, Pope Benedict XVI made it clear that he is happy with American Catholicism. **

Yes, there are individual dioceses and parishes where true Catholicism has been supplanted by the “New Age” garbage that you describe. It is especially terrible for helpless children when they grow up under such wrong teachings and with such evil teachers. I agree with you that their judgement will be harsh. The book of Jeremiah speaks of the priests who lead their people astray, and the judgements pronounced are very hard indeed.

But it is not a fact that ALL the churches in the U.S. are liberal or New Age. Not by a long shot.

piouswoman, I ask your forgiveness if I am putting words into your mouth, but this is the impression that your posts give–that all Catholic churches fell to liberalism and that the U.S.A Catholic Church is in crisis and all of us are denying it. If these statements are not what you intend to say, perhaps you will consider rewording your posts to explain more thoroughly. I know from experience that sometimes what a person means doesn’t come out clearly in their writing.

I also encourage you to continue to work through your grief over what happened to you so that you can get to a point where you can move on. You have travelled a via dolorosa, but it sounds like you have arrived at a more pleasant place. Perhaps the Lord had to use this method to get you to a place where you are in His Perfect Will. If this is the case, it would be good to be grateful for the tragedy of your childhood church for getting you to the place where you are today.

My husband and I were kicked out of our Evangelical Free church, and at the time, this was a horrific experience. I had nightmares (and still do), and cried constantly. I’ve described some of this in other threads, so I won’t go into detail, but basically, my entire life was gone. I had grown up evangelical and had spent 5-6 days a week in church or involved with some church activity, and now it was all gone and I didn’t trust “church” anymore.

But the Lord used this situation to lead us into the Catholic Church, and now I am grateful for those pastors who convened the tribunal and threw us out of their church. I still grieve occasionally over what happened (especially for my children’s choir that I lost). But the Lord is gradually restoring with INTEREST all that was taken away from us!

Again, catharina, you are assuming things that are non existent. I have not suffered a horrific childhood, contrarily, I have had a wonderful life, although without the proper religious guidance, somehow I could never really find that inner peace and happiness that I now possess. Of course I am a bit upset that throughout my life, when I believed that I knew my faith, and was behaving as a good Catholic, in reality, as I was to find out many years later, I had not received the proper Catholic education. As a Catholic girl, who went to church every Sunday, and attended Catholic schools, I knew very little, in fact you might say I knew next to nothing…I had to learn prayers that I should of been taught, I went back to the sacraments that I and many others had abandoned. By the grace of God, I was led to the Latin Mass and in time, after educating myself in my faith I found the SSPX chapel that I now attend. I never knew that such holy priests existed, I never received such inspiration, I never had such an understanding of what it really meant to be a Catholic until now. The reverence is there, the holiness is there, the good fruits are there. Unlike you, however, I don’t grieve about my past, rather, I thank Our Lord everyday for the goodness shown to me which brought me back to my true Catholic faith.

As to the devastation that occurred after the Council…there are statistics to back it up, and one simply cannot deny facts, one cannot deny truth.